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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
April 29 2014 03:28 GMT
#301
On April 29 2014 12:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Right, then, time to get to work.

##VOTE: Sweetfrost


I mean, I'm all for reaction testing, but can someone explain to me why this is okay to do, and what I did apparently is scummy as fuck?

Especially when I havent seen sweetfrost talk once?

Sure.

What you did isn't scummy at all, and the people telling you as much are fools or worse.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
April 29 2014 03:35 GMT
#302
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?


Wow... Just wow...
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 29 2014 03:39 GMT
#303
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 29 2014 03:42 GMT
#304
On April 29 2014 12:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Right, then, time to get to work.

##VOTE: Sweetfrost


I mean, I'm all for reaction testing, but can someone explain to me why this is okay to do, and what I did apparently is scummy as fuck?

Especially when I havent seen sweetfrost talk once?

It's usual policy to lynch lurkers, isn't it? If they don't talk, they have no information they can bring.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
April 29 2014 03:43 GMT
#305
On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?


Wow... Just wow...


Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.

##VOTE: Yell0w
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
April 29 2014 03:44 GMT
#306
On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.


I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me.

But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
April 29 2014 03:47 GMT
#307
On April 29 2014 12:42 Epishade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:27 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Right, then, time to get to work.

##VOTE: Sweetfrost


I mean, I'm all for reaction testing, but can someone explain to me why this is okay to do, and what I did apparently is scummy as fuck?

Especially when I havent seen sweetfrost talk once?

It's usual policy to lynch lurkers, isn't it? If they don't talk, they have no information they can bring.


People who never post during the day will be mod killed so its a waste of a lynch. If they are mafia great free kill for us, if they are town than shame on them for joining the game and not participating.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
April 29 2014 03:47 GMT
#308
On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?


Wow... Just wow...


Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.

##VOTE: Yell0w


I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table.
It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 29 2014 03:47 GMT
#309
On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.


I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me.

But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch?


I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1.

Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 29 2014 03:49 GMT
#310
EDBOP:

"I thought your attacks on him would have been spot on...etc
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
April 29 2014 03:51 GMT
#311
On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.


I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me.

But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch?


I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1.

Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird.


The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't.

Also, no one BW that.

Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
mtamburini
Profile Joined February 2014
Canada506 Posts
April 29 2014 03:52 GMT
#312
On April 29 2014 12:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?


Wow... Just wow...


Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.

##VOTE: Yell0w


I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table.
It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie.


Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened.

1 Sarcasm
2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny.

These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
April 29 2014 03:59 GMT
#313
On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:47 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:35 mtamburini wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?


Wow... Just wow...


Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake.

##VOTE: Yell0w


I was reading that too, tamburini, however, as of now, yellow seems t be much off of the table.
It could also be a rookie town mistake, wanting to know how it made him look scummy instead of townie.


Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened.

1 Sarcasm
2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny.

These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far.


Okay, so let's discuss Yellow a bit more then. You have seen my reasoning on him so far.

What are yours? As in, the things he has said, what seems more scummy to you?

What exactly did you not like?
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 29 2014 04:07 GMT
#314
On April 29 2014 12:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.


I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me.

But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch?


I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1.

Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird.


The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't.

Also, no one BW that.

Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch.


"So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia."

You didn't think him just bluntly stating that sounded at all like a joke?

I know nobody BWed it, but I didn't think Yellow was scummy at all to begin with (before he made his recent post that is. Idk what to think of that). I didn't want to lose a potential town for making a joke IF people had started to bw against Yellow. I guess, as you say, you didn't think what he said was a joke. You thought he slipped up, while I thought you were attacking him because he was the first suitable person to attack based on his "slip-up." I wasn't sure how far you were willing to take it to make Yellow look bad (but as I now figure from seeing others reactions, you were probably just getting info), and I thought you were attacking him too strongly for nothing. That was what gave me my initial scumread on you. Then others convinced me otherwise that I was probably looking too hard into your attack and I don't have that scumread anymore.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
April 29 2014 04:15 GMT
#315
Woah, this thread grew really quickly. 138 posts when I woke up.
Serious conversation going on in here, I'm still catching up. From what I gathered is that Yell0w seems to be a suspicious character, he then cleared his name and is now back on the scum list?
<3
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 29 2014 04:19 GMT
#316
On April 29 2014 13:15 dravernor wrote:
Woah, this thread grew really quickly. 138 posts when I woke up.
Serious conversation going on in here, I'm still catching up. From what I gathered is that Yell0w seems to be a suspicious character, he then cleared his name and is now back on the scum list?

Sounds about right.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
April 29 2014 04:23 GMT
#317
On April 29 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 12:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.


I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me.

But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch?


I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1.

Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird.


The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't.

Also, no one BW that.

Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch.


"So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia."

You didn't think him just bluntly stating that sounded at all like a joke?

I know nobody BWed it, but I didn't think Yellow was scummy at all to begin with (before he made his recent post that is. Idk what to think of that). I didn't want to lose a potential town for making a joke IF people had started to bw against Yellow. I guess, as you say, you didn't think what he said was a joke. You thought he slipped up, while I thought you were attacking him because he was the first suitable person to attack based on his "slip-up." I wasn't sure how far you were willing to take it to make Yellow look bad (but as I now figure from seeing others reactions, you were probably just getting info), and I thought you were attacking him too strongly for nothing. That was what gave me my initial scumread on you. Then others convinced me otherwise that I was probably looking too hard into your attack and I don't have that scumread anymore.


Okay, I see what you are saying here.

But no, I don't think him bluntly saying that is a joke. And here are my reasons.

1. I'd say it just to get a reaction. Like if I say, oh, tamburini is mafia for wanting to be leader (which I blatantly said, yet no one defended or deflected off of that like they did on yellow). I got more of a reaction to my questioning of Yellow than I did with tamburini, which is why I went further into questioning on yellow.

2. I wanted to see what Yellow thought to my questioning, to see if we had the same read on sqrt. Because here is why. There are two types of mafia imo: The ones who lurk, and the mafia who tend to want to be the first to talk or talk the most. I wanted to see what Yellow read into Sqrt, as if he was thought Sqrt was the latter mafia.


I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
27ninjabunnies
Profile Joined April 2014
United States2486 Posts
April 29 2014 04:27 GMT
#318
And to go off the above post, Yell0w did not really give any read to whether or not sqrt was mafia. At first hevsaid, bam, talks alot, must be mafia. Then said, not indicative of mafia play. I pointed out the contradiction, then he claimed mafia. Sure, it may have seemed like a joke, and could possibly actually be a joke (the mafia claiming I mean), but he could have defended himself a bit better. And the fact that so many people jumped on me for that read is weird.

I'm just pointing that out.
I suspect the secret of personal attraction is locked up in our unique imperfections, flaws and frailties.~Hugh Mackay
Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
April 29 2014 04:44 GMT
#319
On April 29 2014 13:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2014 13:07 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:51 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:47 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:44 27ninjabunnies wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:39 Epishade wrote:
On April 29 2014 12:25 Eden1892 wrote:
@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?

##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade


I had it in my mind that Bunny was attempting to get an easy 1st day lynch by making a bad accusation against Yellow. When I said that her actions against Yellow gave me a scumread, you said you didn't agree with me there. Ritoky also suggested that Bunny was getting information from Yellow, instead of trying to kill Yellow with the lynch. I thought that Bunny was pushing too strongly for very little reason, and that looked like scum behavior to me. Ritoky said that she was probably digging for information, and I thought that that was actually a pretty justifiable reason for her behavior.

I changed my opinion on Bunny mainly from Ritoky's post, but you also disagreeing with my scumread made me think I might be wrong about the situation. I certainly didn't want to continue forth with Bunny being a scumread when you guys had changed my mind about her aggressive posting.


I appreciate you taking into consideration others' read on me.

But I would like to ask something. Why do you assume Yell0w is an easy d1 lynch?


I thought that your attacks on him were spot on, if not for the fact that what he made at first was in jest. I was thinking others would disregard this fact and bandwagon onto the first scummy looking person to lynch day1.

Although this new post from Yellow I'll admit is kind of weird.


The fact that everyone is reading his response as "in jest" is weird to me. How can you tell? Because I couldn't.

Also, no one BW that.

Could be mafia not wanting to bw on their partner? Still doesnt explain why you think that he is an easy d1 lynch.


"So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia."

You didn't think him just bluntly stating that sounded at all like a joke?

I know nobody BWed it, but I didn't think Yellow was scummy at all to begin with (before he made his recent post that is. Idk what to think of that). I didn't want to lose a potential town for making a joke IF people had started to bw against Yellow. I guess, as you say, you didn't think what he said was a joke. You thought he slipped up, while I thought you were attacking him because he was the first suitable person to attack based on his "slip-up." I wasn't sure how far you were willing to take it to make Yellow look bad (but as I now figure from seeing others reactions, you were probably just getting info), and I thought you were attacking him too strongly for nothing. That was what gave me my initial scumread on you. Then others convinced me otherwise that I was probably looking too hard into your attack and I don't have that scumread anymore.


Okay, I see what you are saying here.

But no, I don't think him bluntly saying that is a joke. And here are my reasons.

1. I'd say it just to get a reaction. Like if I say, oh, tamburini is mafia for wanting to be leader (which I blatantly said, yet no one defended or deflected off of that like they did on yellow). I got more of a reaction to my questioning of Yellow than I did with tamburini, which is why I went further into questioning on yellow.

2. I wanted to see what Yellow thought to my questioning, to see if we had the same read on sqrt. Because here is why. There are two types of mafia imo: The ones who lurk, and the mafia who tend to want to be the first to talk or talk the most. I wanted to see what Yellow read into Sqrt, as if he was thought Sqrt was the latter mafia.



I guess we just had different interpretations of what he said, leading us to have different conclusions over how to handle it. I thought it was a clear joke and nothing more, but since you saw differently you attacked him. I didn't think the attack was warranted and that's when I got my initial scumread on you etc. I've posted my reasoning before.
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April 29 2014 04:47 GMT
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epishade, you should keep in mind that attacking is actually a good thing. You can reveal a lot more information, and press people. Due to the nature of the mafia type game iirc, we vote at the end. Which means that we're not gonna call a lynch now and get Yellow or whoever is suspect.
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