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On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored.
Sqrt screwed around a bunch at the start on the other newbie mafia games too, so that's not out of the ordinary for me.
I think Bunny is pushing too hard for a comment made in jest. I may be wrong, and Yellow may be scum, but it seems to me that Bunny loaded that question against Yellow, and then when Yellow answered truthfully, that contradicted his comment he made before that was made in jest. I think Bunny could have just been aiming to paint Yellow in a potential scum-light, but then Yellow joked that "you caught me." Bunny decided to roll with it and vote for Yellow right then, as an easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch.
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On April 29 2014 12:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
There was no legitimate discussion prior to that post from my point of view. I thought that Eden was fooling around too.
on page 11 you're still talking about a previous game.
your response to yell0w's saying "I'm mafia" was "kill him", which wasn't substantiated in any way, which makes me think it was intended as a joke.
that would be the "continuing to do so" portion of my post.
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On April 29 2014 12:05 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:@Eden: I'm not sure why you think I have a chip on my shoulder. I know no one in this game besides tamburini. I know no one's play of their mafia or town style. What I am doing here is trying to get reads. My reaction testing was seeing how Yell0w responded to my questioning. I will point out exactly what I said to him. You can check the nested quotes. On April 29 2014 11:26 Yell0w wrote:On April 29 2014 11:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote:
I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking.
May I point out to you I said this. On April 29 2014 11:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, @Yell0w
Do you feel mafia talks too much or too little usually?
Because, sqrt is making himself known to everyone. Would you think he would more likely try to blend in rather than stand out as mafia?
Also, include how much mafia games you have played. This will help me read your response to my questions. On April 29 2014 11:03 Yell0w wrote:
So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia. Yet you don't think him talking a lot is indicative of being mafia? Contradicting yourself already? Ohhh! You got me, I'm mafia. That was his only response to that. He gave no other reasoning as to why his read was contradicting. He avoided the question. So that was my reaction testing. Sounds like MOOSE lmfao
I sound like moose? As in the moose we both know?
No, fuck that.
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@bunnies:
I'm not sure why you think I have a chip on my shoulder.
Intuition. Don't worry yourself over it. I'd not have volunteered it but for your asking what I learned.
So that was my reaction testing.
I see. I thought the vote was the test.
You're making the right moves by asking questions and digging into the responses you get, but remember to read the responses you get from both town and scum angles. I think it's pretty clear that Yell0w wasn't serious.
@Epishade:
I think you're pushing this case too strongly,
I agree.
and, if anything I'm getting more of a scum read from you than anyone else yet.
I disagree. bunnies is my best town read not involving my role PM right now.
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Epishade looked at the other games, that's something to note.
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On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored.
The bolded part is exactly what I am trying to get at. It's his response, and others' responses to this.
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Wait, Eden, why do you mention your role PM?
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On April 29 2014 12:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Wait, Eden, why do you mention your role PM?
It's how I know I'm town.
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On April 29 2014 12:07 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:05 mtamburini wrote:On April 29 2014 12:01 27ninjabunnies wrote:@Eden: I'm not sure why you think I have a chip on my shoulder. I know no one in this game besides tamburini. I know no one's play of their mafia or town style. What I am doing here is trying to get reads. My reaction testing was seeing how Yell0w responded to my questioning. I will point out exactly what I said to him. You can check the nested quotes. On April 29 2014 11:26 Yell0w wrote:On April 29 2014 11:23 27ninjabunnies wrote:On April 29 2014 11:21 Yell0w wrote:
I never actually played mafia, I play werewolf in real life, which is pretty much the same I guess, and I don't think him talking is indicative of him being mafia or not, I just think he likes talking.
May I point out to you I said this. On April 29 2014 11:13 27ninjabunnies wrote:
Also, @Yell0w
Do you feel mafia talks too much or too little usually?
Because, sqrt is making himself known to everyone. Would you think he would more likely try to blend in rather than stand out as mafia?
Also, include how much mafia games you have played. This will help me read your response to my questions. On April 29 2014 11:03 Yell0w wrote:
So this sqrt guy sure seems to enjoy talking, so he's probably mafia. Yet you don't think him talking a lot is indicative of being mafia? Contradicting yourself already? Ohhh! You got me, I'm mafia. That was his only response to that. He gave no other reasoning as to why his read was contradicting. He avoided the question. So that was my reaction testing. Sounds like MOOSE lmfao I sound like moose? As in the moose we both know? No, fuck that.
I was talking about when MOOSE is mafia that is always his reaction.
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@everyone: What many of you are not getting is the fact MY VOTE CAN CHANGE. I am not pushing hard on him. I just want more info and more reads and I am getting them.
I'll leave the yellow thing alone for now, seeing as everyone wants to move from it, but I will revisit this in the future.
##Unvote
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On April 29 2014 12:07 Epishade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. Sqrt screwed around a bunch at the start on the other newbie mafia games too, so that's not out of the ordinary for me. I think Bunny is pushing too hard for a comment made in jest. I may be wrong, and Yellow may be scum, but it seems to me that Bunny loaded that question against Yellow, and then when Yellow answered truthfully, that contradicted his comment he made before that was made in jest. I think Bunny could have just been aiming to paint Yellow in a potential scum-light, but then Yellow joked that "you caught me." Bunny decided to roll with it and vote for Yellow right then, as an easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch.
Really?
Because to me, it seemed like bunnies was looking for 1 of 3 things to happen: 1) yell0w to get hyper defensive (which didn't happen) 2) yell0w to counter with aggression (which didn't happen) 3) or someone to deflect for him (which did)
I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure.
For the most part I simply don't like how you seem to want to move on from what I think is the only real substantive thing happening right now. Not wanting more information and more reads and more reactions tends to be a scummy thing.
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On April 29 2014 12:09 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Epishade looked at the other games, that's something to note.
Lol I read the chaos that was the last newbie mafia game as it was happening. That's how I remember Calvinho getting lynched as cop day 1. I also remember from Artanis' funny pic
+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2014 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Oh right, I still needed to post my fanart. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/SYhY4h1.png) (no offense to anyone, just poking fun!)
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Right, then, time to get to work.
##VOTE: Sweetfrost
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Well I am glad this issue got resolved rather peacefully, I now unfortunately have to sleep, but I will see you all tomorrow.
Also I'm pretty convinced bunnies is town now, probably epishade too, the rest I don't know.
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On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 12:07 Epishade wrote:On April 29 2014 11:58 ritoky wrote:On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. Sqrt screwed around a bunch at the start on the other newbie mafia games too, so that's not out of the ordinary for me. I think Bunny is pushing too hard for a comment made in jest. I may be wrong, and Yellow may be scum, but it seems to me that Bunny loaded that question against Yellow, and then when Yellow answered truthfully, that contradicted his comment he made before that was made in jest. I think Bunny could have just been aiming to paint Yellow in a potential scum-light, but then Yellow joked that "you caught me." Bunny decided to roll with it and vote for Yellow right then, as an easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch. Really? Because to me, it seemed like bunnies was looking for 1 of 3 things to happen: 1) yell0w to get hyper defensive (which didn't happen) 2) yell0w to counter with aggression (which didn't happen) 3) or someone to deflect for him (which did) I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure. For the most part I simply don't like how you seem to want to move on from what I think is the only real substantive thing happening right now. Not wanting more information and more reads and more reactions tends to be a scummy thing.
Hmmm, I guess I just felt that Yellow was getting unjustly accused of being mafia. I didn't want people to bandwagon on him for making a simple joke throught Bunny's influence.
But you've convinced me of Bunny's actions. I take back my scumread on her. I can see how they might have been justified, without anything else to go on right now. She was just digging for information.
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Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?
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@Epishade: What's with your 180 here? Seems abrupt to me. How did you go from "loaded question, aiming to paint Yellow in a scum-light, easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch" to "just digging for information" off the first post?
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Epishade
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On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote:
Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response?
You could at least get my name right D:
And I can't really say cause I don't know you or your personality. You were asked a loaded question, and seemed intent on making a joke, so idk make a joke about contradicting yourself?
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On April 29 2014 12:15 Eden1892 wrote:
Right, then, time to get to work.
##VOTE: Sweetfrost
I mean, I'm all for reaction testing, but can someone explain to me why this is okay to do, and what I did apparently is scummy as fuck?
Especially when I havent seen sweetfrost talk once?
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