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On April 04 2014 05:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Wait.... So because steve think prplhz is scum, steve is reasonable and raynkoshi might be scum. But because steve thinks prplhz is scum, steve is 100% scum again?
gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ?
dafuq? I am resigned to getting lynched in my cell, I dont care about it anymore, I'll focus on the others because I find steves play fine, he got angry, I would a bit too (though I would have directed that anger at me in that situation) I also found what you did townie as well, then I read my filter, and by god does it look scummy in comparison T_T you want me to make a case on me? I probably can at this point. The only way I can prove myself is by focusing on finding scum and I cant sincerely do that in this cell. So do watcha gotta do. Ima look elsewhere for once. Do you want me to make our cell first for lynch?
Sure.
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On April 04 2014 05:33 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 05:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 04 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Wait.... So because steve think prplhz is scum, steve is reasonable and raynkoshi might be scum. But because steve thinks prplhz is scum, steve is 100% scum again?
gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ?
dafuq? I am resigned to getting lynched in my cell, I dont care about it anymore, I'll focus on the others because I find steves play fine, he got angry, I would a bit too (though I would have directed that anger at me in that situation) I also found what you did townie as well, then I read my filter, and by god does it look scummy in comparison T_T you want me to make a case on me? I probably can at this point. The only way I can prove myself is by focusing on finding scum and I cant sincerely do that in this cell. So do watcha gotta do. Ima look elsewhere for once. Do you want me to make our cell first for lynch? Sure.
Why would you want the first day to be a townlynch? Are you confident you will find 3 scums before the day ends? What use has it that you die first?
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i think rayn is town because he does a lot and i agree with a good portion of it
i thought he was town all game meaning that i had a good feeling about him from the start and he didn't really do anything that made me seriously consider anything else
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I have to leave before deadline, but I'm voting for rayn. Steve's case is fundamentally flawed from the beginning:
On April 03 2014 18:57 Steveling wrote:There's only one question here, why did they do that? I couldn't think of anything until I read multiple posts while filtering regarding the reason that scumryankoshi did what they did and it dawned on me. Here are some tidbits Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 07:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
To me it looks like Steve doesn't have a concrete scumread, only a strong townread and a neutral read that has to be scum due to process of elimination. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 01:03 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 00:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
mderg,
Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read:
raynpelikonoshi
gumshoe
Steveling Steveling - neutral It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure). Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:28 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it. Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember. Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post. Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion. Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later. I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation. Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you? Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ? As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire? Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake. You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1. Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn. Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you? You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is? Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games. Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period. You end up this post with Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already? I like your comment on mderg On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included )  have openly attacked mderg. Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind. I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:15 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:00 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 12:50 Balla24 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? Show nested quote +Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly?
Rayn watcha think? I used this to bait Rayn, but the fact that this exists means I thought out what his early lack of commitment might mean. Show nested quote +You and Rayn are firing off in every direction, trusting in your scum hunting skills to avail you I suppose, I on the other hand am pretty much zerod in on you because you are 50 percent scum XD so yeah, I can see why you might say that. Show nested quote +Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. Rayn pressed me into fighting him when I had nothing concrete to call him scum, I tried baiting him and my results were inconclusive so I back off until he pressed me into fighting with him and revealed his true self, also I clearly say repeatedly hes 50 50, therefore worthy of suspicion, but not 100 percent how does any of that reflect the mindset of someone completely set on scum Rayn from the start? . Compare that to this. Show nested quote +So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.
Show nested quote +Here i present you our first......
Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!!
ezpz
~rayn Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla. I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. On April 02 2014 12:36 gumshoe wrote:
Like, read the fucking thread before you post Balla.
I think another key thing is Rayn doesnt once include sheer probability as a factor in his suspicion of me (like I do constantly, similar to a drowning man clinging to a raft) he presents his scum reads as if their derived from sheer skill and analysis, because probability doesnt factor into Rayn's convictions, he knows who town is and his reads will just continue to build up solely because he wills them to. What are you on about? None of that has anything to do with the contradiction you are displaying. You are calling rayn scum for being confident about his scum read on you even though Steveling has yet to contribute. Yet you are going HAM on rayn, even though steveling has still yet to contribute. It has nothing to do with you attempting to bait rayn. What I want to know is, how can you call rayn scummy for that and say it's the "most damning bit of all" even though you are doing the exact same thing. I backed off of Rayn after the fake case cause his response was fine, but Rayn came back for me and I explained why I lied. He then started hammering me as if he knew I was scum, whereas I was never certain of his alignment, only reasonably suspicious. He has always been far more suspect of me than I of him, I was just trying to read the guy whose in my group. Instead of talking shit Balla, show me proof that I was certain of Rayn's guilt before he was certain of mine and that I was more vocal about it. The order of operations doesn't matter. Steveling has still done nothing, yet you are certain Rayn is mafia, and you call rayn scummy for being certain of you being mafia even though Steveling has done nothing. On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor? To which ryankoshi answers, Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 01:01 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote:
Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor? I don't see the point. -Koshi- Ofc, you don't scum, ). Anyway, they also have a town read on me. And finally here is what pieced it all together for me Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:14 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 19:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 19:04 Steveling wrote:
Can't argue with that.
Anyway, what about you rayn, you made a bold statement accusing gum, you still think the same?
And what do you think about me? I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me. I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused. Steve his filterdive of gumshoe touches a lot of points I didn't like about gumshoe. Like the strange defense of gum to geript. If we take into account Steve didn't yet filter my hydra makes me feel good about him. I don't really know what to make out of the fact Steve is not taking an harder stance on gumshoe scum but I think he is just waiting a return from gumshoe to make a "final" verdict. Anyway. My group is going to get figured out Quite certain of it. Does it not bother you at all that Steve's approach seems to be "Keep all my options open"? Palmar aks ryankoshi about my opinion on both ryankoshi and gumshoe. Yes, as a matter of fact they do mind, not as town but as scum. They do care that I have not yet sided completely with them. They do mind that there is a slight chance of me turning against them and siding with gum and they want none of this. Everyone and their mama had me cleared as town, like most of the active players. Those who didn't read me as town read me as neutral and ryankoshi were crapping their pants because I wasn't that aggressive against gum. So, they had to go back to gum's and mine filters to try and find the tinniest, silliest, most illogical thread of garbage excuse to try and do a 180 on gum and turn on me. And they did exactly that, the oath excuse. (facepalm)
In the six posts that you call, in your words, "Everyone and their mama had me cleared as town, like most of the active players. Those who didn't read me as town read me as neutral", many arguments are either wrong or against you:
Two are from gumshoe, who considers you town but at the same time has been tunneling rayn. He actually mentioned here (in the Balla quote):
gumshoe:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.
This isn't someone calling you town, this is someone tunneling rayn and saying that rayn is scum because from the two of you, you're the scummier one, yet he's still going after gum. Gum himself seems to have tripped over his argument - wouldn't it be a lot easier to implicate you than him, and thus more "convenient" to fight? You're labeled as green by association, because if rayn is scum as gum believes, you can't physically be scum. But again, gum's argument is flawed and not good evidence for your own.
Balla actually points this out. He's accusing you of doing nothing and gumshoe being too myopic to realize that. Which is correct, or was at that point in time at least. You're scummier than rayn, which means you're either null and gum is scum in his eyes, or the other way around.
The other gumshoe post of note is the one where he praises your game for being "riddled with uncertainty", which I previously said was relatively logical (i.e. he's not tunneling and you're approaching gum open-mindedly), although then I changed that to scummy because you didn't have a good stance and it was even evidenced in your read of rayn as town and gum as slightly town.
mderg finds you neutral - your dive of gumshoe might be towny according to him, but that would indicate the rest of your play is a little lacking, no?
I had a slight red read on you. I still do, and between schoolwork and essays I'll see how your more recent activity changes that. I thought it was implied in "one sketchy motherfucker", but alas.
tehpoofter finds you neutral. I'm going to have to re-examine some of his words, I believe that conversation we had was unfinished and unresolved.
So in total, we have one mostly green read (gum), two neutrals (poofter and mderg, and balla), and one red read (sentinel).
Rayn's own town read, like gum's was association due to tunneling at that point.
I'm a bit late with this but I haven't had an opportunity (as in, time) to examine Steve and get my thoughts on about how he went from a green read on rayn to a red read. I think it's completely contrived and really makes me doubt a lot of the other stuff he's been building onto that case.
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Holy fuck this thread is going fast - I haven't read any of 84-85 yet.
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Vote count:
LSB (0): LSB, Alakaslam
Palmar (0): raynpelikonoshi
getmoript (2): raynpelikonoshi, getmoript, Coagulation
Cephiro (1): Cephiro
raynpelikonoshi (5): raynpelikonoshi, prplhz, mderg, Balla24, Palmar, LSB, raynpelikonoshi, gumshoe
Holyflare (4): Holyflare, Steveling, Alakaslam, raynpelikonoshi, prplhz
Not voting (3): mderg, Tehpoofter, [UoN]Sentinel
Currently raynpelikonoshi is set to become the mayor.
The deadline is Thursday, Apr 03 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) (in ).
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On April 04 2014 05:34 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 05:33 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 05:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 04 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Wait.... So because steve think prplhz is scum, steve is reasonable and raynkoshi might be scum. But because steve thinks prplhz is scum, steve is 100% scum again?
gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ?
dafuq? I am resigned to getting lynched in my cell, I dont care about it anymore, I'll focus on the others because I find steves play fine, he got angry, I would a bit too (though I would have directed that anger at me in that situation) I also found what you did townie as well, then I read my filter, and by god does it look scummy in comparison T_T you want me to make a case on me? I probably can at this point. The only way I can prove myself is by focusing on finding scum and I cant sincerely do that in this cell. So do watcha gotta do. Ima look elsewhere for once. Do you want me to make our cell first for lynch? Sure. Why would you want the first day to be a townlynch? Are you confident you will find 3 scums before the day ends? What use has it that you die first?
Wether or not its a town lynch is up to you Rayn, not me. And yes, I feel totally confident that I can offer up reads for the other groups in a day, the game has gone on for a reasonably long time now.
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On April 04 2014 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: raynpelikonoshi
voting for rayn or koshi?
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On April 04 2014 05:45 prplhz wrote:voting for rayn or koshi?
Both.
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On April 04 2014 05:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 05:45 prplhz wrote:On April 04 2014 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: raynpelikonoshi voting for rayn or koshi? Both.
why you voting for rayn?
why you voting for koshi?
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##vote: raynpelikonoshi
I don´t really like this but it is definetely better than Holyflare, since he didn´t even give a cell order. It´s suspicious that he´s saying he will follow town consensus but doesn´t even talk about the cell order.
LSB: I don´t like this focus on lynching inactives first. Ofc it´s bad, if mostly inactives remain at the end but it´s even worse, if we blindly lynch into inactives and get 2 misslynches
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Don't have it in me to keep filtering getript.
Want to sleep.
Do you guys want my 1/3rd of an analysis so far?
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On April 04 2014 05:54 mderg wrote:
##vote: raynpelikonoshi
I don´t really like this but it is definetely better than Holyflare, since he didn´t even give a cell order. It´s suspicious that he´s saying he will follow town consensus but doesn´t even talk about the cell order.
LSB: I don´t like this focus on lynching inactives first. Ofc it´s bad, if mostly inactives remain at the end but it´s even worse, if we blindly lynch into inactives and get 2 misslynches
it's not necessarily to lynch the inactives, we will get rid of the inactives if they are up for lynch even if we don't lynch them
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On April 04 2014 05:56 Steveling wrote:
Don't have it in me to keep filtering getript.
Want to sleep.
Do you guys want my 1/3rd of an analysis so far?
......
of course
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The thing between getript and ryankoshi starts from a ryankoshi blunder, I haven't seen that till now.
On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much
so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.
dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die. I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it. You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever). But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically.
Ryankoshi 180's on his policy and getript calls him out for his stance.
Actually getript is right here.
Prplz attacks him because he/they are confident, lol.
Ryankoshi sheeps prplz, hmmm interesting.
Umm, there's a raynkoshi quote in his getript's filter,
On April 02 2014 05:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Okay geript is scum. There is no way he is town in this game.
Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people.
There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful.
~rayn
The same ryankoshi that apparently has brotherhood bonds with HF and Palmar is not now saying that policy judgment in this setup is bad. That's a new one, why don't you try telling that to your buddies ryan? lmao
On April 02 2014 05:31 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:29 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 05:23 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead.
~rayn I disagree. I want to be mayor because I want Holyflare out super early on. I don't trust him to play lategame because the groups are mostly 1 good player and 2 ok players. That moves to town loss super quickly. Plus, we should be voting town for mayor because they can give a reasonable assessment of who the "powerful scum" are that they want early. Low hanging fruit scum who are not likely to affect the game are fine to keep in until later on. I don't get why you'd want to trust players who aren't as good to decide your fate. I 100% think I can nail scum in the first two groups but I'm also realistic that there's a good chance for mislynching in those first two as well. You don´t have to be mayor to get Holyflare out early on. If your reasoning is good there might be a chance of other people sharing your opinion thus leading to him being out early on. You can´t really tell who is town at the moment, so voting town as mayor is quite difficult. Also (as I already said) I don´t think it is too immportant who the mayor is. Exchanging opinions on the cell order and letting the majority decide seems like the best option for me. Yes I can. My townreads are very good and very good early on. Hell my scumreads tend to be very good early on too. I'm a top tier town player and anyone who disagrees with that either doesn't like me or is lying. ~geript
That's bad, getript, that's not confidence, xD.
Policy lynching stuff after that, bad getript bad.
He's very edgy, whenever someone touches him, getript immediately strikes back.
Lmao, the following is exactly what happened, well if you swap palmar's and rayn's places.
On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it.
That gives me confidence in my scumread on ryankoshi.
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I'm more than fine with our cell being first.
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On April 04 2014 05:53 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 05:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 04 2014 05:45 prplhz wrote:On April 04 2014 05:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: raynpelikonoshi voting for rayn or koshi? Both. why you voting for rayn? why you voting for koshi?
Koshi's taking the order from LSB with his own input added in, so if we decide as a group* that some other order is better, I can trust Koshi to judge and act accordingly. Rayn I can trust because I've had good vibes about his play this game, and I feel like I have Cell 1 especially figured out the most.
*Of course this is prone to hijacking. A quarter of the game being scum can swing a vote if done right, so a third can be even more dangerous. Which is why I trust Koshi (and rayn, since they share an alignment and right now that alignment is looking like town to me), to add in their own input and not just be swept by the current.
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On April 04 2014 05:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:49 getmoript wrote:On April 04 2014 04:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 04 2014 04:26 getmoript wrote:On April 04 2014 04:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 04 2014 04:20 getmoript wrote:On April 04 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Raynpelikonoshi
dafuq rayn. ??Koshi why you think rayn is crazy for this? It's not crazy. He just shouldn't let holyflare pick the order when we can do it just fine. So can you give an brief summation on why rayn think's I'm scum and your take on it? I can't tbh, funny, but I don't really know it. Somewhere I think it is because you are not yelling that Alakaslam is mafia and that you were defending gumshoe. I think you are scum because prplhz is reading the thread, thinking and posting good things. I don't understand why you don't see this and why you keep holding on to that opening post from prplhz which was just setup talk. I have issues with people that start a game in a certain mindset and then magically it keeps going that way. I also don't like how you read us as scum, tbh I don't like how not 1 person in this game is trying to read me but they are all reading rayn, I guess it isn't applicable in your case because you state that you can't read me but w.e. When I am town it is always obvious, maybe the hydra makes it less but meh. Which brings me to my third point and hopefully you answered my question, Cav totally disappeared from this game and is just sheeping your reads, which makes your hydra entirely scummy because I don't like your reads. TBH Cav has apparently been playing epic mafia some and less focused on the thread here. I think he's sheeping my reads because he knows I'm town and knows I can be good; I'd love to see more from him personally and have tried off and on to get him to do more. Honestly, I'm not even sure I'm meeting my goal so Cav being mia doesn't really bug me so much. Honestly, I'd love to have Marv explain how he reads your or Rayn or pretty much anyone really. As for read not chaning on prplhz, it probably won't; when I sit down with his filter and compare it to previous meta it might or if Ceph fails to post or posts bad stuff then maybe it might. I just really don't see a reason to change it when nobody's actually addressed the reasons why I think he's scum. Like Rayn always seems to completely miss the point that I'm trying to make and complete misconstrue anything I type so I'm pretty much in a lack of fucks given moment right now. Plus with no lynch I really have no ambition to change that. The problem I have with cav is that he doesn't say that. He gives his reads and doesn't say he sheeps you. He just posted 3 names and gives some reasoning. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 14:30 getmoript wrote:
Scumreads:
rayn, Balla, prp.
Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now)
Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.)
Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game.
Will read into the other cells soon.
~Cav Cav on us: first line = omgus second line = we can't be mayor but that has nothing to do with his read. that's a conclusion to his read. third line= I can't comment on that, I wasn't in cultured. forth line = rayn is unaware of the hydra, the hydra is diplomatic. (??? What is this) Cav on prplhz: ??? Cav on Cephiro: Why wouldn't Cephiro defend rayn when he is mafia? mafia don't defend each other or ? I don't understand this read from Cav here. Is it something like Cephiro looks bad but prplhz worse??? Cav on Balla: This guy did X when mafia, Balla does X, so Balla is mafia. But I am not going to tell you guys what X is. Balla is doing things so I make big posts and I can't solve the game. (WHAAAT? which big posts? Solving the game? Where???)
My big issue with Rayn is twofold:
1) He is trying to use our change in demeanor as a way of proving we are mafia. This is false as G and I have attempted to become less dickish in a bid to get mayor. (Which is not working  )
2) Rayn has been around for all 3 of my games here on TL. He knows I was lynched twice on day 1 for incredibly faulty reasons and knows that I'm not great at explaining my reads so much. He also knows that I tend to disappear when the thread gets overwhelmed with information since I'm used to a much slower pace. His opinions on my movements in the thread are literal polar opposites from what they were in Cultured (even though my actions are so similar) and I highly suggest you read them to see the difference.
(If you don't want to, that's fine. I'm going to be able to use a computer later tonight and I'll clarify everything for you and anyone else that is concerned. I still intend to filter dive as well.)
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