Cell Mini Mafia - Page 57

Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try.

This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.

I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.

I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.

gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"

Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling

This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.

There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.

You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.

Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.

We seem to have a different take on going all out, then

On April 03 2014 05:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yep

~rayn

On April 03 2014 05:56 getmoript wrote:

Explain your townread on prplhz.

On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first:

Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up:



While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though.



Gum's rage here returns to the same vein as where he ignored rayn previously: he discredits rayn's case because he's not sure of it, and goes after the meta instead. While this one post in a vacuum rings scum - he's dismissing evidence that goes against him instead of countering it, waving it aside as rayn twisting words, and tries to justify his obscuring of information that could help town at this point - it's very consistent with his mentality earlier. I can see this as another evidence of bad town play, with gumshoe missing the point of hunting scum but instead getting extremely defensive about rayn's comments, and "figuring out the game" on his own.



This post is actually one of the more logical ones gum's made up to this point, although I feel like you could make the counter-argument that Steve is simply playing neutral and doing both the positives and the negatives of gum's play.

A huge shitstorm ensues over rayn's case. Point 2 is very scummy looking especially as gum claims he only wants to appear readable to town and not scum. The lack of nightkills makes this point look very hard to justify... he really can't be silenced by a scummy mayor, since majority would be against sending group 1 to the chopping block first, and we'd have a scum who painted a big red target on his face.

Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight.

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Overall I'm thinking town on gum simply because a scum, even a bad one, would have no incentive to become the most targetable figure in Cell 1, and that it's a lot less convoluted to try to justify his beliefs as careless town compared to scum.

I'll take a look at rayn once I return from work tonight.

@LSB I played with you two years ago and you made me your bitch. That wasn't very fun.

On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:

He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads.

~rayn

On April 03 2014 06:01 getmoript wrote:

So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them.

On April 03 2014 06:01 getmoript wrote:

So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them.

On April 03 2014 06:05 prplhz wrote:

really, the burden of proof is on the accuser

On April 03 2014 05:55 gumshoe wrote:
I may have been an idiot this game, oh well.

Steveling quick question about Rayn



So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain?

Next up this little bit.



How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours
/ : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie.

That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again)

He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason.



Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him





But when hes danger, Mdern rides in





Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love?

Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that.



This is what I said about him for the record.


This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this.



Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read(which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0.


So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read.

or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that.

My guess is a bit of both / :

I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward.

On April 03 2014 06:12 mderg wrote:

regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it.


Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town.



Regarding my steveling defense timings:
first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true.
Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason

On April 03 2014 06:18 gumshoe wrote:


I am claiming that your are lying, I do not believe that you would find my read on you inconsequential. Town always care how about how others read them. Also you've defended not a single other person this game but Steve, what drives you to defend him specifically even though you consider him null?
Like, your saying one thing, that Steve could be scum, but acting in a manner opposite, going so far as to turn on rayn, the guy you rated most town in the cell, for shit reasoning.

On April 02 2014 07:27 gumshoe wrote:
I'm defending Geript because your argument is weak.

On April 02 2014 13:59 gumshoe wrote:


What is your ideal evidence? What kind of case sways you? Wouldn't you agree that town are often just as likely to trip up as scum?

On April 02 2014 15:01 getmoript wrote:



I've already brought up the odd point on prplhz's opener, but in rereading I really don't like this interaction. Unlike Banks (poofter) I don't think that focusing primarily on your cell is a scummy strategy. Like I like the point that prplhz brings up in the first post, but it feels really weird for Balla to correct him and then prplhz to instantly drop it. Like I personally 100% support people trying to get a read on the people in their cell so that they can actually make associations and sheep another semi-confirmed townie's opinion for whatever the current lynch is if they feel lost. It's really odd to me that prplhz just drops it like this

On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:
I like your comment on mderg



I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum.
My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me.
He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise.


All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.

On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I have some issues with poofter posting late on as well but work atm. But for example

^ after multiple hours Tehpoofter his only scumread (or biggest) is still based on his policy....

So unimpressed.

On April 02 2014 22:39 Steveling wrote:
The day is young prplhz, I will prolly filter everyone out in the next 8 hours, xD.

On April 03 2014 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
so gumshoe im not scum anymore????