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I may have been an idiot this game, oh well.
Steveling quick question about Rayn
Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try.
So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain?
Next up this little bit.
This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.
How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours
/ : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie.
That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again)
He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason.
I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him
I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue.
gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling
But when hes danger, Mdern rides in
This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.
Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love?
Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that.
You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town.
This is what I said about him for the record.
Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this.
We seem to have a different take on going all out, then
Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read(which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0.
So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read.
or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that.
My guess is a bit of both / :
I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward.
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On April 03 2014 05:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yep
~rayn
Explain your townread on prplhz.
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On April 03 2014 05:56 getmoript wrote:Explain your townread on prplhz.
He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads.
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 05:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first: Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you? Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ? I have answered every question directed at me so far, but I feel no need to divulge information that might jeopardize my efforts to trip up scum unless I don't have much choice I. The matter. Especially when it comes to the person whose my default top scum read. As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire? While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:15 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 22:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:![[image loading]](http://i61.tinypic.com/qpnztt.png) ~rayn You very talented Rayn, too bad your scum. Let me give my side once and for all Gum baits Rayn cause HE DOESNT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT BECAUSE HES TOWN FIGURING OUT THE GAME. Findings are inconclusive, Gum goes to talk to other people, Rayn attacks Gum for lying, Gum tells Rayn he has no reason to be completely transparent with a likely scum read. Rayn twists this into Gum hates town and calls him super duper mega confirmed scum. Gum is suspicious of how certain he is before hearing steve talk, gum realizes Rayn is accusing him the same way as witchcraft. Gum goes after him / : Whats scummy about any of this? Gum's rage here returns to the same vein as where he ignored rayn previously: he discredits rayn's case because he's not sure of it, and goes after the meta instead. While this one post in a vacuum rings scum - he's dismissing evidence that goes against him instead of countering it, waving it aside as rayn twisting words, and tries to justify his obscuring of information that could help town at this point - it's very consistent with his mentality earlier. I can see this as another evidence of bad town play, with gumshoe missing the point of hunting scum but instead getting extremely defensive about rayn's comments, and "figuring out the game" on his own. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:28 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it. Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember. Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post. Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion. Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later. I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation. Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you? Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ? As for your question, 2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire? Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake. You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1. Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn. Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you? You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is? Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games. Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period. You end up this post with Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already? I like your comment on mderg On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included )  have openly attacked mderg. Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum. My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind. I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool. This post is actually one of the more logical ones gum's made up to this point, although I feel like you could make the counter-argument that Steve is simply playing neutral and doing both the positives and the negatives of gum's play. A huge shitstorm ensues over rayn's case. Point 2 is very scummy looking especially as gum claims he only wants to appear readable to town and not scum. The lack of nightkills makes this point look very hard to justify... he really can't be silenced by a scummy mayor, since majority would be against sending group 1 to the chopping block first, and we'd have a scum who painted a big red target on his face. Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight.
Overall I'm thinking town on gum simply because a scum, even a bad one, would have no incentive to become the most targetable figure in Cell 1, and that it's a lot less convoluted to try to justify his beliefs as careless town compared to scum. I'll take a look at rayn once I return from work tonight. @LSB I played with you two years ago and you made me your bitch. That wasn't very fun.
So whose scum in our cell? You say the most logical thing Ive said was how Steveling is town. Do you agree with that? If Rayns scum, why doesnt he just ride me to finish line?
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On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 05:56 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 05:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yep
~rayn Explain your townread on prplhz. He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads. ~rayn
So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them.
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On April 03 2014 06:01 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 05:56 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 05:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yep
~rayn Explain your townread on prplhz. He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads. ~rayn So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them.
Reads on our cell are good. I like the evolution and while prplhz doesn't really explain it (he never does and yes, it's annoying) i can kinda see where he is coming from. I like his read on you.
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 06:01 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 05:56 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 05:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yep
~rayn Explain your townread on prplhz. He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads. ~rayn So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them.
really, the burden of proof is on the accuser
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On April 03 2014 06:05 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 06:01 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 05:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 05:56 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 05:55 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yep
~rayn Explain your townread on prplhz. He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads. ~rayn So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them. really, the burden of proof is on the accuser
sigh
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I like his every single post on you. I also like him questioning Palmar because he wants to read Palmar. I like his posts on our cell, on gumshoe and Steveling and his flip-floppiness around them. Not gonna quote those posts.
~rayn
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And you are 1000x scummier than prplhz. That's another good reason to think he is town because you can't both be mafia.
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 05:55 gumshoe wrote:I may have been an idiot this game, oh well. Steveling quick question about Rayn So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain? Next up this little bit. Show nested quote +This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better. How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours / : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie. That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again) He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason. Show nested quote +I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him Show nested quote +I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue. Show nested quote +gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling But when hes danger, Mdern rides in Show nested quote +This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
Show nested quote +There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that. Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love? Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that. Show nested quote +You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town. This is what I said about him for the record. Show nested quote +Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this. Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read (which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0. So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read. or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that. My guess is a bit of both / : I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward.
regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it.
Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town.
Regarding my steveling defense timings:
first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true.
Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason
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On April 03 2014 06:12 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 05:55 gumshoe wrote:I may have been an idiot this game, oh well. Steveling quick question about Rayn Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try. So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain? Next up this little bit. This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better. How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours / : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie. That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again) He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason. I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue. gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling But when hes danger, Mdern rides in This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that. Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love? Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that. You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town. This is what I said about him for the record. Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this. We seem to have a different take on going all out, then Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read (which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0. So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read. or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that. My guess is a bit of both / : I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward. regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it. Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town. Regarding my steveling defense timings: first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true. Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason
I am claiming that your are lying, I do not believe that you would find my read on you inconsequential. Town always care how about how others read them. Also you've defended not a single other person this game but Steve, what drives you to defend him specifically even though you consider him null?
Like, your saying one thing, that Steve could be scum, but acting in a manner opposite, going so far as to turn on rayn, the guy you rated most town in the cell, for shit reasoning.
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so gumshoe im not scum anymore????
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geript how come you don't talk about anything other than me and prplhz in this game?
I don't even know why you think prplhz is mafia because apparently you had nothing to say about my posts where i disagreed with your reasoning on him being scum.
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 06:18 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 06:12 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 05:55 gumshoe wrote:I may have been an idiot this game, oh well. Steveling quick question about Rayn Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try. So you dont know hes town? What is the reasoning for scum Rayn 180ing on me? He had all of town behind at him at the time of his change of heart, why do that? What does he gain? Next up this little bit. This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better. How is it cheating? Has everyone flocked to my side? No, most seem to not give a shit, like palmar and prplz. Also, if I'm scum, how is this cheating? Sure it's scummy for scum, but this a game of lies, anything goes so long as your not too rude. It can only be considered cheating if you think I'm town, which really isn't where youve been at for the past few hours / : so I'm suprised that your treating this whole thing as if I unfairly outed a big secret, when you should be of the opinion that everything I am saying is a lie. That said, I would like to lynch Mderg first / : (yes im flip flopping again) He comes to steves aid for seemingly no reason. I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Whenever Steves safe, hes neutral on him I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue. gumshoe - scummy
90% focused on rayn, only based on a "trap"
Steveling - neutral
It seems towny to me that he was unsure about gumshoe when filtering his posts(why would scum be unsure).
but after saying that people should focus mostly on their own cells he basically made one filter post about both and then continued to watch them battling But when hes danger, Mdern rides in This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that. Hes is clearly only neutral twoards Steve when he can afford to be, Mdern has said founds Steve's play mediocre and Rayn's townie, so why is he fighting so hard for Steve yet again? What did steve do to earn this undying love? Also this was interesting, he never once mentions my town read on him when he calls me scum and never adresses it until I call him out on that. You did go all out to defend me? I didn´t see it that way. Also you could get towny points, if I get lynched and flip town. This is what I said about him for the record. Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. This new information doesn't even remotely change his view, all he says in response is this. We seem to have a different take on going all out, then Its not the fact that he still thinks I'm scum thats wierd, it's that he didnt even bother mentioning such a big thing initially when he called me scum (if someones 100 percent town reads me, Im gonna pay attention, as anyone would) and that he is completely unphased by the read (which seemed to come as off as news to him), it doesnt even factor into his opinion 0_0. So either a) he didnt read everything, and was calling me 90 percent on an incomplete read. or b) he has an agenda and new/important information isnt going to impact that. My guess is a bit of both / : I feel Mdern's allegiance would say alot about Steves, sooooo yeah... akward. regarding the bolded part: If I say that I didn´t see it that way, I´m also saying that I did see it. Your town read on me didn´t change my read on you at all. It could be scum trying to gain townie points by defending a misslynch or town genuinely thinking I´m town. Regarding my steveling defense timings: first was against some strange meta. If you read the cl thread you know that what I said is true. Second was against an imo not logical accusation. I think it´s natural to defend someone who is accused for a bs reason I am claiming that your are lying, I do not believe that you would find my read on you inconsequential. Town always care how about how others read them. Also you've defended not a single other person this game but Steve, what drives you to defend him specifically even though you consider him null? Like, your saying one thing, that Steve could be scum, but acting in a manner opposite, going so far as to turn on rayn, the guy you rated most town in the cell, for shit reasoning.
regarding the town always care part: Didn´t you yourself say that you don´t care about rayns read on you? Wouldn´t that make me town, if you are town?
On April 02 2014 07:27 gumshoe wrote:
I'm defending Geript because your argument is weak.
I defend him because I think the arguments on him are shit!
Going to sleep now
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On April 02 2014 13:59 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:46 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:34 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 13:31 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 13:26 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 13:20 Balla24 wrote:
@gumshoe well, independent of the # of people attacking him do you townread him or scumread him? Your quote there doesn't really indicate either way whereas the rest do. I think hes town and I felt that was totally obvious 0_0 Twas not (I mean, its obvious that you think he's town based on the # of people attacking him, but not otherwise), if you have previously reasoned it out please link/quote me, if not why do you think he's town? (Again, independent of the # of people attacking him and just based on his play) Its almost purely because of the ratio of players, he is a meh player who is capable of playing very bad and too many people have jumped on him, I have also pointed out holy as an alternative scum in that group, what do you think of him? For now Holy is fine with me. He hasn't done much yet, but he has attempted to bring new information to the table in the form of some meta comments about mderg which is good. While i'm not that much of a fan of early cases based solely on meta behavior like yours (vs rayn (this is different since you were possibly "baiting") and vs holy) and holy's, it still shows a willingness to go fetch new information and new information is always good. So I don't really think that your comments: On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:Holyflaire. Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. this game i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern. here about holyflare are that interesting. I'd like to see how this read develops as the thread atmosphere evolves and Holy contributes more (which is why in general i'm not a fan of early cases based solely on meta). What is your ideal evidence? What kind of case sways you? Wouldn't you agree that town are often just as likely to trip up as scum?
A great case is one that combines facts from the current game, behavioral analysis using meta (and after flips: associative tells). Meta cases based off of 12h of gameplay do not convince me of anything except the effort that the person making the case is putting into the game. I would not agree that town are more likely to trip up than mafia if they are thinking logically, mafia has information bias, town do not. What kind of "tripping up" are you referring to?
On April 02 2014 15:01 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote:
i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:09 Balla24 wrote:
That's silly. You still have to vote to lynch within the other cells... I've already brought up the odd point on prplhz's opener, but in rereading I really don't like this interaction. Unlike Banks (poofter) I don't think that focusing primarily on your cell is a scummy strategy. Like I like the point that prplhz brings up in the first post, but it feels really weird for Balla to correct him and then prplhz to instantly drop it. Like I personally 100% support people trying to get a read on the people in their cell so that they can actually make associations and sheep another semi-confirmed townie's opinion for whatever the current lynch is if they feel lost. It's really odd to me that prplhz just drops it like this
I really don't understand what you are getting at here, you seem to think i'm scum and that this post is the one that you didn't like, but what you write here focuses mainly on prplhz and an interaction I had with him instead of on what I said. Can you elaborate on why my "correction" there is scummy in your eyes?
On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:I like your comment on mderg Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg. Geript I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw). Tehpoofter Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town Holy Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. Rayn I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.
It all fits! Gumshoe Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? Balla
We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?
Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip. I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum.My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me. He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise. All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.
Couple of things here (read 2 most of all if skimming).
1) You said you caught up with the thread, but you don't share your original opinions and rather wait for people to ask you things. Here you say you think there are people in gumshoe's list that are scum, indicating you have your own original opinions (other than the filters you had already posted about) yet you don't point out who.
2) Gumshoe and Rayn are on this list, both of your cellmates. You say "You believe" instead of "you KNOW" which if you are town, you would KNOW there is scum on that list and if you are scum then you would be sub-consciously referring to your reads that you have made up on other cells (since you know the scum in your cell). This is possibly a slip, possibly just an oversight. Leaning towards the former.
On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:I have some issues with poofter posting late on as well but work atm. But for example Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 14:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
@gumshoe that being said as for scum the biggest one for me is prplhz I said earlier in a post he said he wants people to just focus on the people in their groups as thats their best chance of hitting mafia. Statistically it is the best chance but people should read everyone. I also really dislike the post where he claims hes being ignored to me thats like he wants to be read as town for posting and is mad his work is going to waste.
^ after multiple hours Tehpoofter his only scumread (or biggest) is still based on his policy.... So unimpressed.
This is interesting because at this point (correct me if I'm wrong) Poofter was already dropping his policy because of rayn, holyflare and I. I still could see him holding that opinion though, but it is good to note.
On April 02 2014 22:39 Steveling wrote:
The day is young prplhz, I will prolly filter everyone out in the next 8 hours, xD.
T_T, yet he's peacing out now I think. I don't recall the results of this or if he even did so, all I remember is a small bit about Sentinel and then the shit-show within cell 1.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 03 2014 00:47 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 00:46 Palmar wrote:
I have no idea why mderp cares about his name. Bella does as well. Also suko. marvelosity did it last game. Probably others as well but meh. Hehuehue
##vote raynpelikonokoshi
Side note: Koshi don't put your group first, we need you guys to contribute the awesome power of your hydra. Earliest you guys should go is 3 and I think the scum is pretty easy in your group in Steveling.
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On April 03 2014 06:18 Holyflare wrote:
so gumshoe im not scum anymore????
That depends, are you capable of being scum with Mdern : P
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Vote count:
getmoript (2): raynpelikonoshi, getmoript, Coagulation
Palmar (0): raynpelikonoshi
raynpelikonoshi (4): raynpelikonoshi, prplhz, mderg, Balla24
Not voting (9): gumshoe, Cephiro, Holyflare, [UoN]Sentinel, Tehpoofter, LSB, Alakaslam, Steveling, Palmar
Currently raynpelikonoshi is set to become the mayor.
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##vote holyflare
i'll be the bestest damn mayor you ever did saw
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flare you're not going to be mayor why are you throwing your vote away?
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