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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 20:13 GMT
#1101
On April 03 2014 05:06 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why is it so hard for certain people to understand I EXPLAINED WHY I DID THAT?
Why can't you read Steveling?

~rayn


This is your answer? This is your reasoning?

On April 03 2014 05:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Yeah Steveling is mafia. I can use every reason to call people town if i am mafia. I can use every reason to call people town if i am town. There is nothing wrong with that. I can vote for who the fuck i want as either alignment. I am not doing anything wrong. He is overly defensive which he should not be if he thinks i am dumb or if he thinks i am mafia. The only scenario where he gets overly defensive is if i am town and gumshoe is town and he is pissed off at gumshoe.

~rayn


Really? You can use every reason to call people town if you are town? Srly?

First of all, you realise you haven't provided any argument, at all, yes?

Second, no you don't look at your magic sphere to call the shots.

Third, you assume we know you are town? Nice try.

I made fun of your argument, which is complete bollocks, you said that you had a reasoning and you said that

On April 03 2014 05:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Yeah Steveling is mafia. I can use every reason to call people town if i am mafia. I can use every reason to call people town if i am town.


That was your grant argument.
If people don't fos you after this I don't know what's what anymore.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 02 2014 20:14 GMT
#1102
Rankings Updated

This is soley based on post count/content in the current game

Cell 1
A - Raynpelikonoshi
A - Gumshoe
A - Steveling

Cell 2
A Holyflare
A Tehpoofter
A mderg

Cell 3
IL Palmar - Announced will be inactive
IL Sentinel - Announced will be inactive
IL Coagulation - Kushm4sta is active, but Coag can't post his seal.

Cell 4
A Balla24
A LSB
A Alakaslam

Cell 5
A Getmoript
A prplhz
IL Cephiro


Of which I can only identify two true lurkers, Coagulation and Cephiro.
So please stop complaining about lurkers.
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
April 02 2014 20:20 GMT
#1103
First off, gumshoe because his filter came up first:

Steve dived him here which I'd like to somewhat expound on. The conversation he brings up:

On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?

~rayn


Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.

So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.

~rayn


"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.

So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?

Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y.
In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches:
1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or
2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?



I have answered every question directed at me so far, but I feel no need to divulge information that might jeopardize my efforts to trip up scum unless I don't have much choice I. The matter. Especially when it comes to the person whose my default top scum read.


As for your question,
2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?


While going for unconfirmed scum first is fishy (and scummy), what stood out to me was gum's resistance to providing information further within the quote. This is looking like town play, just very bad town play - if I was a scum in gumshoe's position I wouldn't want to encourage rayn to make red reads on me. I'd actually be paying a lot more attention to what rayn is saying and trying to get either him or Steve into the frying pan. As town, gum can be full of hubris. As scum, it's attracting way too much attention, and someone in the QT would have shut him up. I do agree with steve that the other part of that quote is pretty scummy thinking though.

On April 02 2014 22:15 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 22:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
[image loading]

~rayn


You very talented Rayn, too bad your scum. Let me give my side once and for all

Gum baits Rayn cause HE DOESNT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT BECAUSE HES TOWN FIGURING OUT THE GAME.
Findings are inconclusive, Gum goes to talk to other people, Rayn attacks Gum for lying, Gum tells Rayn he has no reason to be completely transparent with a likely scum read. Rayn twists this into Gum hates town and calls him super duper mega confirmed scum. Gum is suspicious of how certain he is before hearing steve talk, gum realizes Rayn is accusing him the same way as witchcraft. Gum goes after him / :

Whats scummy about any of this?


Gum's rage here returns to the same vein as where he ignored rayn previously: he discredits rayn's case because he's not sure of it, and goes after the meta instead. While this one post in a vacuum rings scum - he's dismissing evidence that goes against him instead of countering it, waving it aside as rayn twisting words, and tries to justify his obscuring of information that could help town at this point - it's very consistent with his mentality earlier. I can see this as another evidence of bad town play, with gumshoe missing the point of hunting scum but instead getting extremely defensive about rayn's comments, and "figuring out the game" on his own.

On April 02 2014 22:28 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 18:15 Steveling wrote:
I'm now filtering gumshoe, will be posting one liners as I'm reading through it.

Hahahaha, gum <3333, that short description of me you made, haha, that's the gum I remember.

Gum immediately gets some town points because he asks for his cellmate for thoughts on me, not random people. I explained my reasoning in my previous post.

Ummm, gum defending getript, is weird. I will have to filter getript as well to form a better opinion.
Btw I think it's weird not as a scam-defends-scam thing but because getript wasn't making much sense at first glance and I recall gum from our game together as a good player, albeit with some suicidal weird plans but good overall. -town points for that but I will have to check getript as well later.

I don't like how he blindly agrees with palmar on mayor'ing him. Pls vote people by their activity and quality of posts not by their reputation.

Hmm, gum gets some scam points for the following bit

On April 02 2014 09:34 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:
On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?

~rayn


Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.

So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.

~rayn


"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.

So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you?

Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y.
In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches:
1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or
2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ?



As for your question,
2' because confirmed scum isn't going anywhere. They can be literally killed at any time and I rather lynch question marks while everyone is still invested in the game. I have taken on this mind set strictly because the setup holds no surprises. If I'm scum, why would I champion something like that if my buddy gets lynched by day3 anyways? What do I gain aside from towns ire?


Open the quote to read rayns question. Srsly gum, wtf, you shouldn't be making that kind of mistake.
You basically proposed to scumhunt and coin flip the first day lynch so IF we get lucky we end up with 2 semi-confirmed scum instead of taking sowing what's ripe in day1.


Alright gum about that big meta post you did on rayn.
Honestly I think it's bad, you claim he accuses you of scumplay and you quote 3 previous games to prove that somehow the meta works for you?
You say that "ey guys, I lied there to scumbait, rayn was falsely accusing me, so I'm doing the same thing here", can't you understand how wrong this is?
Rayn has every reason in the world to accuse you in both games.
Anyway, I remember that was your playstyle as well in our game together so I won't award you with scumpoints for this but if you keep at it, you are getting on my scumlist, period.

You end up this post with

Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum.


Again flawed logic, wouldn't I be the easy target here and not you, a player with 4 pages of filter already?

I like your comment on mderg

On April 02 2014 13:13 gumshoe wrote:
Fun fact, Steve coag and Ceph have not yet started playing really, leaving them out, six people (myself included ) have openly attacked mderg.

Geript

I'm fairly confident that mderg is the scum in Cell 2. I'm probably going to talk with g more and see what we can dig up from this one, because I'm actually kind of afraid to townread HF after the stunt he pulled in Cultured (which was fucking awesome, btw).


Tehpoofter

Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town


Holy

Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one.


Rayn

I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire.

It all fits!


Gumshoe

Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum?

Balla

We can talk about plenty. How mderg's posts so far have been useless and scummy maybe?


Mderg is a lurky/noobish player, bad play coming out of him deserves due consideration. 50 percent of this games active players (I am not counting lurkers) find this guy scummy in a game where a third of us are scum. Yeah... lynching this guy is not getting us a red flip.


I believe there are some scum in this list you made gum.
My personal opinion on mderg is that the only town read he has going for himself is when he defended me.
He must have seen me posting in the football thread and he just said what he reasoned out. He's inactive or posting fluff, so I'm leaning towards scum for him but the bus'ing against him and the fact he's new made me think otherwise.


All in all I'm pretty confused with gum, I'm leaning neutral on him atm, can't make my mind.



I love this post BECAUSE it's riddled with uncertainty, this game is filled with people who have perfect reads (cause scum) it's a breath of fresh air to see someone who legit not sure of whose scum in his cell. If steve was scum, he could easily attack me or Rayn, and the way were going at it the non pick might just support his choice whole heartedly. Unfortunately for scum, steve is not just truing to survive his cell, dude be figuring shit out ( : good genuine effort in this post and a stance I feel is most likely town. Steve is cool.


This post is actually one of the more logical ones gum's made up to this point, although I feel like you could make the counter-argument that Steve is simply playing neutral and doing both the positives and the negatives of gum's play.

A huge shitstorm ensues over rayn's case. Point 2 is very scummy looking especially as gum claims he only wants to appear readable to town and not scum. The lack of nightkills makes this point look very hard to justify... he really can't be silenced by a scummy mayor, since majority would be against sending group 1 to the chopping block first, and we'd have a scum who painted a big red target on his face.

Rest of filter seems to simply reinforce notions he had before. Gum's got one thing going for him and that's consistency to a fault: he's picked some key points (don't be 100% transparent, rayn is scum, steve is town, geript is a pretty towny player), and stuck to them, to the point where I'm wondering if he's simply using his earlier play to justify his later notions. I guess that's a bad-town thing to do, especially since he really can't hide an ally by putting himself into the spotlight.



Overall I'm thinking town on gum simply because a scum, even a bad one, would have no incentive to become the most targetable figure in Cell 1, and that it's a lot less convoluted to try to justify his beliefs as careless town compared to scum.

I'll take a look at rayn once I return from work tonight.

@LSB I played with you two years ago and you made me your bitch. That wasn't very fun.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 02 2014 20:37 GMT
#1104
lsb



kush hasnt even posted yet. wtf r u talking about
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 20:41 GMT
#1105
I'll be off in 10mins.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 02 2014 20:41 GMT
#1106
but you'll be back again eventually?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 02 2014 20:41 GMT
#1107
On April 03 2014 05:37 Coagulation wrote:
lsb



kush hasnt even posted yet. wtf r u talking about

Forgot to edit that part of the copypaste out
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 02 2014 20:42 GMT
#1108
@LSB You don't think you'd contribute more by commenting on happenings in the thread than by maintaining a lurker list?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 02 2014 20:43 GMT
#1109
i'm toying with the idea that steve is town
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
April 02 2014 20:43 GMT
#1110
On April 03 2014 05:42 prplhz wrote:
@LSB You don't think you'd contribute more by commenting on happenings in the thread than by maintaining a lurker list?

If only I had a large list that contained my thoughts on every cell in the game
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 20:45 GMT
#1111
On April 03 2014 05:43 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 05:42 prplhz wrote:
@LSB You don't think you'd contribute more by commenting on happenings in the thread than by maintaining a lurker list?

If only I had a large list that contained my thoughts on every cell in the game


your thoughts say nothing

maybe rayn is scum/maybe rayn is town? would town rayn want to die? you don't even mention why would scum rayn want to die?

holyflare no content but posting


what conclusions are they..?
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 02 2014 20:50 GMT
#1112
dont forget the kush is posting but coag isn't

-coag
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 20:50 GMT
#1113
I explained the reason why I wanted(still want actually) to not post again, prplhz.
The retarded situation with the swearing thing and now the other the fact that people aren't fos'ing him after that hollywood level stunt he pulled off.
If you think that I'm an enraged scum, well nothing stops you.
But it has nothing to do with my alignment if I may say that.

I have played as scum under pressure in one game and it was in a game with gumshoe. Ask him if I would react like that.

It's blowing my mind that ryan basically said " I can do wtf I want you maggots" and no one is questioning him.
It's also tying it up with gumshoe when he claimed that ryankoshi twisted their argument to suit him.
I didn't listen gumshoe, I'm sorry. I deserve to be killed.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 20:52 GMT
#1114
And with that I'm off for sleep.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 20:52 GMT
#1115
It's blowing my mind that you want to quit the game until i say "i can do what the fuck i want".

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 20:53 GMT
#1116
On April 03 2014 05:50 Steveling wrote:
I explained the reason why I wanted(still want actually) to not post again, prplhz.
The retarded situation with the swearing thing and now the other the fact that people aren't fos'ing him after that hollywood level stunt he pulled off.
If you think that I'm an enraged scum, well nothing stops you.
But it has nothing to do with my alignment if I may say that.

I have played as scum under pressure in one game and it was in a game with gumshoe. Ask him if I would react like that.

It's blowing my mind that ryan basically said " I can do wtf I want you maggots" and no one is questioning him.
It's also tying it up with gumshoe when he claimed that ryankoshi twisted their argument to suit him.
I didn't listen gumshoe, I'm sorry. I deserve to be killed.


nobody questions it because rayn does it every game
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
April 02 2014 20:53 GMT
#1117
yeah rayn would be a great lynch after slam but stop your butt hurting. if you sit here and post about how your not posting anymore steve im gonna have to add you to my tlmafia sissy list.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 20:54 GMT
#1118
On April 03 2014 05:53 Coagulation wrote:
yeah rayn would be a great lynch after slam but stop your butt hurting. if you sit here and post about how your not posting anymore steve im gonna have to add you to my tlmafia sissy list.

Do you actually think i am mafia or do you just want to policy lynch every day in this game?

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
getmoript
Profile Joined March 2013
1016 Posts
April 02 2014 20:54 GMT
#1119
Rayn. You around?
Hydra of geript and Cavalinho
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 20:55 GMT
#1120
yep

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
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