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On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
scummy post.
very very scummy post.
Holyflare explain why.
~rayn
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this sucks wtf
steve probably scum
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On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn
the fact that he says if nobody follows you scum won't be worried? :D:D:D:D mderg, steve scum?
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On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn
I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself.
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On April 03 2014 03:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:30 getmoript wrote:
Re: part 1
Gumshoe lying. I don't see a real point to Gumshoe baiting or "baiting" you. I don't really think anything can come of that, but I don't think your conclusion is logical either. If he's actually baiting you with Steve and you ignore it, he loses nothing by doubling down on the bait. This isn't in any way alignment indicative.
Re: part 2
I can see both sides of this. Like I don't think gumshoe thinks that it's pro-town to be unreadable, but I think you're taking the quote out of context. For me, the quote you post gives a hint of gumshoe being paranoid town. Like, of course he's going to try and read his own pod first. If he's town, why should he give any rat's ass what you read him as until he's confident that you're town. IE why should he care about what your read on him is until he's sure that he's not pocketed/getting thrown for mislynch. For me, this point leans town to me; not definitely so but definitely not scum and 100% not strong scum.
Re: part 3
Gum dodging re: the Steve thing is ok. I don't find this particularly alignment indicative either way personally but I can see you calling it scummy. I don't think this is a strong argument for either alignment; this setup makes it super easy to call one guy town and one guy scum and call it a day. part 1: why is my conclusion not logical? gumshoe could not explain his thought process, can you help him out and do that? part 2: no this is wishy washy as hell. give a direct answer. why does gumshoe flip 180 on his stance? or explain why does the situation matter? part 3: i just addressed this and you are not making any sense. ~rayn
Re: part 1 let's do it like this:
6:10-- gummy trap
6:17-- rayn #DODGE
6:22-- gummy trap level 2
8:40--rayn demands explanation
8:52--gummy explanation
Your argument is the gummy explanation should happen at 6:22 instead of 8:52. The thing about it is that if it is a trap, he loses nothing by doubling down on the trap. There's no detriment to trying to go further with it. I don't see it as good play, but I don't see worthwhile as any alignment to do traps. However, if you're going to waste time with traps, then there's no loss in making an easy play to confirm your trap.
part 2. No it's not. I can see people reading this as scummy. I personally don't. I don't feel comfortable enough calling him supertowny for this to absolutely hate your push for this reason. I disagree with your conclusion that gumshoe is scum specifically for this. To explain better let's take a different scenario. Pretend with me for a second that Slam is town here. He knows either LSB/Balla is scum. Why should Slam care what LSB's read on Slam is? He shouldn't. There's no point because he needs to figure out if LSB is pocketing him (LSB is scum) or if LSB is giving an honest read (LSB is town). So him not giving a fuck what your read on him is leans paranoid town to me. That shows to me that he's actually concerned with reading you properly instead of being pocketed. I can be wrong here, but I don't think I am.
part 3. then maybe I'm not explaining myself well.
~g
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On April 03 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn the fact that he says if nobody follows you scum won't be worried? :D:D:D:D mderg, steve scum?
oh ignore this i misread his post
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but it screams of perfect information still and it's a really odd place for mderg to interject
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On April 03 2014 03:51 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:47 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 03:44 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:42 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 03:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Like here is how it went:
prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does"
rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet"
rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum"
prplhz: "yes, exactly"
geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!"
rayn:"w00t???"
~rayn
Now you're just straw manning my argument here. My early argument for you being scum is moreso based on how you prefer to play scum which is specifically to protect your scumbuddies and push mislynches. Go back and reread it from my perspective; pretend you're me and I'm town. What you see is: prplhz: funky post rayn: bs +1 geript: attacks funky post rayn: +1 for completely different reasons, doesn't call/think/pressure prplhz rayn: looks at geript policy preference post, pushes geript, ignores prplhz for making a pretty analogous stance. Like it's really odd that you didn't push both of us for the same thing. You've done it before and you'll do it later on. No that's totally misrepresenting the situation. You are using fancy words to make something look like you want it to look like while it's not. Everyone can go and read the whole conversation in thread by themselves. Can you now answer my posts. Why do you refuse to answer them? ~rayn Which ones do you want me to answer? Like you keep up completely ignoring the points I'm making and spewing whatever crap you want to. I'm absolutely voting for you when you come up for lynch. ~g Why is prplhz scum and Cavalinho is not? You think Cavalinho is a good player. Why is he allowed to say nothing in thread but prplhz is 100% scum for what he has done? ~rayn
Yah I think Cav can be good. The reason why Cav isn't scum is because I'm clearly not scum. People have consistently ignored how I've literally told them the easiest way to read me. Just look at the prome post that I quoted in cultured. Like it's super easy. So if people think Cav is scum... fine I don't care about that; but people shouldn't be calling us scum because Cav is my other half so if you can't read him then you can read me. Like ezpz
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On April 03 2014 04:11 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn the fact that he says if nobody follows you scum won't be worried? :D:D:D:D mderg, steve scum?
I think I have to rephrase what I wanted to say.
There was no reason for anyone to change their stance on gumshoe just because he swore on his life. So there is no reason for scum steveling to worry about getting lynched based on that.
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On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself.
I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both?
I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch.
~rayn
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Also how do you explain Steve's ragequit from town perspective? Why does he ragequit as town mderg?
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 04:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself. I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both? I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch. ~rayn
town
Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch
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On April 03 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Also how do you explain Steve's ragequit from town perspective? Why does he ragequit as town mderg?
~rayn
I have no idea about that and that wasn´t considered in my post
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On April 03 2014 04:21 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself. I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both? I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch. ~rayn town Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch
So i can not do what i did as town?
Also why does he quit the game as town?
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 04:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:21 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 04:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself. I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both? I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch. ~rayn town Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch So i can not do what i did as town? Also why does he quit the game as town? ~rayn
You can but I don´t understand why a townie would change his stance completely without any ingame reason
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On April 03 2014 04:29 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 04:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:21 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 04:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 04:09 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote:On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself. I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both? I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch. ~rayn town Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch So i can not do what i did as town? Also why does he quit the game as town? ~rayn You can but I don´t understand why a townie would change his stance completely without any ingame reason
Incorrect. It is an ingame reason for me. gumshoe said it, therefore it's an ingame information for all of us because when someone says something you are supposed to determine if what they say makes sense from town/scum perspective. I even made a post where i explained it.
Why are you saying it's not?
~rayn
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So okay here is a TLDR from that:
You don't know why Steve would be scared as town
You don't know why Steve would be scared as mafia
Steve looks townie
You assume i could do a switch like that as town
You assume i could do a switch like that as mafia
I look scummy
Now you don't elaborate on any reasoning WHY you make these conclusions. You just say "i don't know". Do you have any thought process behind this? Why is it more likely i would do that as mafia than as town? Why is it more likely Steve would do what he did as town? If you can't tell why it is more likely or "don't know" there is no way you can come to a conclusion. Then you just say "it's a null tell".
~rayn
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Um, who was it from the 2 of you that made that leap of faith? Ryan or Koshi?
So I don't play with you again.
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On April 03 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote:
Um, who was it from the 2 of you that made that leap of faith? Ryan or Koshi?
So I don't play with you again.
It was me.
So you know i am telling the truth since you don't consider me being mafia and lying.
That makes you mafia. Good day sir!
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 04:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
So okay here is a TLDR from that:
You don't know why Steve would be scared as town
You don't know why Steve would be scared as mafia
Steve looks townie
You assume i could do a switch like that as town
You assume i could do a switch like that as mafia
I look scummy
It should be:
You don't think there´s any reason for steve being scared as mafia
steve looks townie
You think my switch has no reason behind it
I look scummy
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