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On April 03 2014 03:44 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:42 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 03:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Like here is how it went:
prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does"
rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet"
rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum"
prplhz: "yes, exactly"
geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!"
rayn:"w00t???"
~rayn
Now you're just straw manning my argument here. My early argument for you being scum is moreso based on how you prefer to play scum which is specifically to protect your scumbuddies and push mislynches. Go back and reread it from my perspective; pretend you're me and I'm town. What you see is: prplhz: funky post rayn: bs +1 geript: attacks funky post rayn: +1 for completely different reasons, doesn't call/think/pressure prplhz rayn: looks at geript policy preference post, pushes geript, ignores prplhz for making a pretty analogous stance. Like it's really odd that you didn't push both of us for the same thing. You've done it before and you'll do it later on. No that's totally misrepresenting the situation. You are using fancy words to make something look like you want it to look like while it's not. Everyone can go and read the whole conversation in thread by themselves. Can you now answer my posts. Why do you refuse to answer them? ~rayn
Which ones do you want me to answer? Like you keep up completely ignoring the points I'm making and spewing whatever crap you want to. I'm absolutely voting for you when you come up for lynch.
~g
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On April 03 2014 03:30 getmoript wrote:
Re: part 1
Gumshoe lying. I don't see a real point to Gumshoe baiting or "baiting" you. I don't really think anything can come of that, but I don't think your conclusion is logical either. If he's actually baiting you with Steve and you ignore it, he loses nothing by doubling down on the bait. This isn't in any way alignment indicative.
Re: part 2
I can see both sides of this. Like I don't think gumshoe thinks that it's pro-town to be unreadable, but I think you're taking the quote out of context. For me, the quote you post gives a hint of gumshoe being paranoid town. Like, of course he's going to try and read his own pod first. If he's town, why should he give any rat's ass what you read him as until he's confident that you're town. IE why should he care about what your read on him is until he's sure that he's not pocketed/getting thrown for mislynch. For me, this point leans town to me; not definitely so but definitely not scum and 100% not strong scum.
Re: part 3
Gum dodging re: the Steve thing is ok. I don't find this particularly alignment indicative either way personally but I can see you calling it scummy. I don't think this is a strong argument for either alignment; this setup makes it super easy to call one guy town and one guy scum and call it a day.
part 1: why is my conclusion not logical? gumshoe could not explain his thought process, can you help him out and do that?
part 2: no this is wishy washy as hell. give a direct answer. why does gumshoe flip 180 on his stance? or explain why does the situation matter?
part 3: i just addressed this and you are not making any sense.
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 03:47 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:44 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:42 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 03:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Like here is how it went:
prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does"
rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet"
rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum"
prplhz: "yes, exactly"
geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!"
rayn:"w00t???"
~rayn
Now you're just straw manning my argument here. My early argument for you being scum is moreso based on how you prefer to play scum which is specifically to protect your scumbuddies and push mislynches. Go back and reread it from my perspective; pretend you're me and I'm town. What you see is: prplhz: funky post rayn: bs +1 geript: attacks funky post rayn: +1 for completely different reasons, doesn't call/think/pressure prplhz rayn: looks at geript policy preference post, pushes geript, ignores prplhz for making a pretty analogous stance. Like it's really odd that you didn't push both of us for the same thing. You've done it before and you'll do it later on. No that's totally misrepresenting the situation. You are using fancy words to make something look like you want it to look like while it's not. Everyone can go and read the whole conversation in thread by themselves. Can you now answer my posts. Why do you refuse to answer them? ~rayn Which ones do you want me to answer? Like you keep up completely ignoring the points I'm making and spewing whatever crap you want to. I'm absolutely voting for you when you come up for lynch. ~g
Why is prplhz scum and Cavalinho is not?
You think Cavalinho is a good player. Why is he allowed to say nothing in thread but prplhz is 100% scum for what he has done?
~rayn
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i'm confused
does getmoript even think i'm scum?
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On April 03 2014 03:39 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
i also don't understand steve at all? he's complaining that rayn has flipped his reads and wants to quit the game? why does someone who is in your cell affect you at all? everyone has to vote on that cell so why does it matter if someone changes their reads based on someone swearing or not, especially if you think that other person is scum
that kind of reaction is....... yeh, not very natural looking How do you not get it. If I'm town I played well, confirmed my role and am promoting our agenda. If I'm scum I played even better, tricked my 2 cellmates into thinking I'm town and will secure 1 ML and a point for our team. This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less. I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better. Oh and all the while he speaks as if his retarded stuff makes actual sense. You may say I overreact, maybe I do but I'm also right. What's even more infuriating though is how this stunt he pulled doesn't raise any eyebrows.
Like, how do they still get town reads after that.You guys messed up my football game I'm about to watch in 5mins.
You're saying you aren't town reading them then? Why is it cheating if they are scum then? Here's the situation. He's called your other cell member scum all game and changed it on a whim so now you are the scum target.
If you are town is your initial reaction -
A) no that's bull shit, if you can town read him based on that then YOU must be scum!
B) i think you're mistaken, it looked like the heat of the moment and he said it in scummy rage! all your points you raised before still hold water though and I still maintain that gumshoe is scum
C) no that's cheating! how can you be allowed to do that!?!?
I know my reaction would never in a million years be C, it would probably be a combination of B and a little aprehension of A. So why is yours C?
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On April 03 2014 03:51 prplhz wrote:
i'm confused
does getmoript even think i'm scum?
On April 03 2014 03:25 Holyflare wrote:This was the last thing you pretty much wrote before your return. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 16:24 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
I am reading a hydra fight, so it's a bit hard to follow along, at the moment my thoughts on geript are this, he can present policy lynches, or lame mayor arguments as either alignment. Your a very logic driven player Rayn, you often believe that if something doesnt make sense it's coming from scum, but that always deserves a grain of salt especially in Geript's case.
Basically I read him as town atm for driving himself into the spotlight and gladly offering opinions, because that is inherently townie behaviour. Things make sense from his perspective that dont to others, so I am also willing to buy his policy lynch stuff not coming from a place of malevolence. That is my opinion. I'm having a really hard time with this post. Gumshoe had a pretty decent read on me Cultured. This is a scary good read from gumshoe and I hate to say that I think he might be scum because of it for like the second game in a row. I'm definitely going to have to reread gum. This is now your stance. Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 02:58 getmoript wrote:
We've talked about prplhz some. We've talked about mayor strategy some and how to get it. I've made some notes for him on my read through. I've commented Rayn being conf scum. I actually kinda feel back because I've posted more in the thread than in our log and explained more in here than I have there. You've completely changed now. What the hell is your actual read and on who?
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this game mode really fucking sucks when there are lurkers, prime scum strategy is to lurk
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Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.
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On April 03 2014 03:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:43 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 03:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
geript you can't call prplhz mafia because Cephiro hasn't posted so you need to do something else.
~rayn I don't appreciate being baited with something as dumb and obvious as you're doing. ~g There is actually another meaning behind this. How is it in your opinion perfectly fine gumshoe has this heuristic and it's perfectly fine he uses it to call me mafia but ignores it when it comes to you and himself? Why is it not scummy in your opinion? Like if you say i am mafia for X and someone else says i am mafia for X i can't possibly, as town, think you are scum for saying that but the other person isn't. Can i? ~rayn
I don't know gumshoe used it in your situation as compared to mine; personally, I think you're either scum or tunnelling him ridiculously as town. I don't think he applies it to me because, as town, that's not how he reads me. He recognizes as town that I'm perfectly capable of being illogical/stupid at points. So, as town, he discards weak reads in favor of strong reads.
Like you think that everyone is going to act 100% the same as town and that's flat out not the case. People have different heuristics they use for different people. For example if I'm all trolly and useless and post spam for all of day 1, then you and palmer are going to read me as scum; but if Slam does it, then he's likely town for it. I don't see why you can't get that. Hell, you thought I was scum for a while in Cultured IIRC on D1; most of the thread definitely did, and Gumshoe made a really weird defense of me there too. When I was rereading last night and got to gumshoe's defense of me here, I was really skeptical and had to go reread cultured to get perspective. I think he can make that townread on me as town; I think he can make it as scum too, but I definitely think he can make it as town. So when you've been pushing on both of us when you should know that he's capable of making good reads on me, that's really sketch bro.
~g
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On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.
Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance.
You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes.
Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes?
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
this game mode really fucking sucks when there are lurkers, prime scum strategy is to lurk
I thought prime scum strat was to go after lurkers for easy pickins because they don't put up any counterpoints.
I return, time to filter dive cell 1 and post thoughts
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On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle.
you think he's actually going to kill himself after this game of mafia because of his conviction!??!? is this serious..? rayn is reading gumshoe as town because in THE HEAT OF THE MOMENT he put that conviction out there, for you to say it out of the blue and get read the same way is ridiculous to assume
so, are you scum? if not, which one is?
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rayn, at the start of the game why did you town read me over mderg and poofter so quickly?
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On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn
This is wrong. You made sound judgment all game long. You made a solid case.
Then there's that.
No it's not ok and I don't care that no one OBVIOUSLY followed you.
If you can't understand that what you did is scummy and game ruining then we have an issue here.
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On April 03 2014 03:56 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:43 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 03:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
geript you can't call prplhz mafia because Cephiro hasn't posted so you need to do something else.
~rayn I don't appreciate being baited with something as dumb and obvious as you're doing. ~g There is actually another meaning behind this. How is it in your opinion perfectly fine gumshoe has this heuristic and it's perfectly fine he uses it to call me mafia but ignores it when it comes to you and himself? Why is it not scummy in your opinion? Like if you say i am mafia for X and someone else says i am mafia for X i can't possibly, as town, think you are scum for saying that but the other person isn't. Can i? ~rayn I don't know gumshoe used it in your situation as compared to mine; personally, I think you're either scum or tunnelling him ridiculously as town. I don't think he applies it to me because, as town, that's not how he reads me. He recognizes as town that I'm perfectly capable of being illogical/stupid at points. So, as town, he discards weak reads in favor of strong reads. Like you think that everyone is going to act 100% the same as town and that's flat out not the case. People have different heuristics they use for different people. For example if I'm all trolly and useless and post spam for all of day 1, then you and palmer are going to read me as scum; but if Slam does it, then he's likely town for it. I don't see why you can't get that. Hell, you thought I was scum for a while in Cultured IIRC on D1; most of the thread definitely did, and Gumshoe made a really weird defense of me there too. When I was rereading last night and got to gumshoe's defense of me here, I was really skeptical and had to go reread cultured to get perspective. I think he can make that townread on me as town; I think he can make it as scum too, but I definitely think he can make it as town. So when you've been pushing on both of us when you should know that he's capable of making good reads on me, that's really sketch bro. ~g
But see geript. That has nothing to do with who the player in question is. That is purely statistical and based on setup. How can you even say what you are saying here? Do you think gumshoe as town thinks i am NOT a tunnel-y player? roflskates. 
The ONLY reason he calls me scum for is that i should not think he is scum because Steleling had not posted. That was his original argument. Now why the fuck is he allowed to do the same, and why are you allowed to do the same? It has nothing to do with who the player in question is.
I think you know gumshoe is town and try to look good because yes, gumshoe CAN be town. But you should DEFINITELY see this as scummy if you don't know gumshoe's alignment. That's a 100% fact geript. You have too much information because my case is one of the best cases i have ever made regardless of gumshoe's alignment. He is either mafia and my case proves it, or he is town who royally fucked up and for some reason can't explain himself. That is a fact and there is no reason you should think those things are TOWNIE things to do if you are town... No... Way !!!
That is my opinion and i am pretty sure i am right and you are scum.
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 04:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn This is wrong. You made sound judgment all game long. You made a solid case. Then there's that. No it's not ok and I don't care that no one OBVIOUSLY followed you. If you can't understand that what you did is scummy and game ruining then we have an issue here.
how does it ruin the game!?!??!?! every single person in this game needs to vote on your cell, if you NOW THINK rayn is scum for doing what he did, prove it to us????? how is it game ruining in the slightest?
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On April 03 2014 04:02 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn This is wrong. You made sound judgment all game long. You made a solid case. Then there's that. No it's not ok and I don't care that no one OBVIOUSLY followed you. If you can't understand that what you did is scummy and game ruining then we have an issue here.
Then you call me mafia if you think i am mafia.
geez what the....??? What are you doing?
~rayn
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Um, the game ruining part was towards gumshoe not you two.
Anyway, I found a working stream for my game.
Cya in another game probably.
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On April 03 2014 04:06 Steveling wrote:
Um, the game ruining part was towards gumshoe not you two.
Anyway, I found a working stream for my game.
Cya in another game probably.
explain it to me, don't afk from the rest of the game?!!??!
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On April 03 2014 03:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote:
Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited?
Do you think swearing is something else than this?
Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn
I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried.
This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive.
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