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This is what you wanted me to comment on prplhz:
VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect.
I think my posts regarding this comments on everything you wanted me to comment on, no?
~rayn
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This was the last thing you pretty much wrote before your return.
On April 02 2014 16:24 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote:
I am reading a hydra fight, so it's a bit hard to follow along, at the moment my thoughts on geript are this, he can present policy lynches, or lame mayor arguments as either alignment. Your a very logic driven player Rayn, you often believe that if something doesnt make sense it's coming from scum, but that always deserves a grain of salt especially in Geript's case.
Basically I read him as town atm for driving himself into the spotlight and gladly offering opinions, because that is inherently townie behaviour. Things make sense from his perspective that dont to others, so I am also willing to buy his policy lynch stuff not coming from a place of malevolence. That is my opinion. I'm having a really hard time with this post. Gumshoe had a pretty decent read on me Cultured. This is a scary good read from gumshoe and I hate to say that I think he might be scum because of it for like the second game in a row. I'm definitely going to have to reread gum.
This is now your stance.
On April 03 2014 02:58 getmoript wrote:
We've talked about prplhz some. We've talked about mayor strategy some and how to get it. I've made some notes for him on my read through. I've commented Rayn being conf scum. I actually kinda feel back because I've posted more in the thread than in our log and explained more in here than I have there.
You've completely changed now. What the hell is your actual read and on who?
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and you sure as hell aren't getting mayor in this game btw
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If you want my comments on the "maybe" owrd you seem to think is a big deal my stance is that you are being ridiculous because imo it doesn't mean anything and on top of that prplhz can be extremely wishy-washy (i would say he usually is) as town. So it definitely does not make him mafia.
~rayn
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Holyflare what do you think about ryankoshi now?
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i also don't understand steve at all? he's complaining that rayn has flipped his reads and wants to quit the game? why does someone who is in your cell affect you at all? everyone has to vote on that cell so why does it matter if someone changes their reads based on someone swearing or not, especially if you think that other person is scum
that kind of reaction is....... yeh, not very natural looking
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On April 03 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare what do you think about ryankoshi now?
still town
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Re: part 1
Gumshoe lying. I don't see a real point to Gumshoe baiting or "baiting" you. I don't really think anything can come of that, but I don't think your conclusion is logical either. If he's actually baiting you with Steve and you ignore it, he loses nothing by doubling down on the bait. This isn't in any way alignment indicative.
Re: part 2
I can see both sides of this. Like I don't think gumshoe thinks that it's pro-town to be unreadable, but I think you're taking the quote out of context. For me, the quote you post gives a hint of gumshoe being paranoid town. Like, of course he's going to try and read his own pod first. If he's town, why should he give any rat's ass what you read him as until he's confident that you're town. IE why should he care about what your read on him is until he's sure that he's not pocketed/getting thrown for mislynch. For me, this point leans town to me; not definitely so but definitely not scum and 100% not strong scum.
Re: part 3
Gum dodging re: the Steve thing is ok. I don't find this particularly alignment indicative either way personally but I can see you calling it scummy. I don't think this is a strong argument for either alignment; this setup makes it super easy to call one guy town and one guy scum and call it a day.
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Like here is how it went:
prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does"
rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet"
rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum"
prplhz: "yes, exactly"
geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!"
rayn:"w00t???"
~rayn
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So geript why is prplhz more scummy than Cavalinho?
~rayn
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On April 02 2014 15:36 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me.
Honestly, I'd rather you comment on this. I think I explain it the best here. The VE prplhz policy lynch scumread thing isn't something I'm 100% on reading prplhz as scum for; it's more an added bonus.
On April 02 2014 15:26 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:51 LSB wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote:On April 02 2014 04:38 Balla24 wrote:
I find it weird that people want to lynch "unreadables" first...
Unreadable means you can't properly discern their alignment, therefore lynching groups with "unreadable" people in it means we have less chance of hitting mafia, so why would we want them to go first. That's silly, we'll just be behind early if we don't get lucky.
For the record, I think my group is very READABLE, and I think it will be easy to catch the mafia in my group therefore we should go first but I think it's stupid that you guys want us to go first if we are "unreadable".
"unreadable" as in "having them around probably will not give you any information to work with". at the same time lynching into unreadables might give us a good idea about the people left in the town, rather than autolynching someone who claimed scum. if there's some ezpz town read in a group i think it would make sense to have them around for long, they can help town focus and will not cause a distraction. So if you are so focused on lynching unreadables, why are you on a giant crusade to lynch group four first? This just doesn't make sense. I can understand slam to a certain degree if he just plays nonsense, however me and balla are pretty active and readable. Why not something like group 2 or 3 if you are looking for people that are unreadible? I think this question got dropped. LSB picks it up again a little bit in the following: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:57 LSB wrote:On April 02 2014 04:52 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote:
dunno, i like his activity so far and he seems interested in the game. we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too.
i'm okay with him for now. You just said he seems kinda scummy. ~rayn Prplhz is just a mess of contradictions right now. Likes the scummy balla. Wants some easily readible town group to stay in the game for a long time, agrees that group four is readible and pushes them to get put up to the block first All this is going on during the whole setup/order/etc. stuff. The specific reason I'm seconding this stuff is moreso because I really don't like how rayn has this post: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much
so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.
dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn Like I 100% agree that we should lynch the groups with obv scum first. It's the fact that Rayn agrees with me that Prplhz's opening post is a bad post but he does it for different reasons from me. He specifically has the problem with it that prplhz doesn't want to find scum and insta lynch them. But his follow up isn't on prplhz for that at all. Town Rayn is perfectly fine pressuring two people at once and he can push both prplhz and myself at the same time EVEN WHILE WE'RE IN THE SAME POD!!! I don't like how he bounces only onto me for this line of reasoning and completely ignores prplhz. I'll talk more about this later I think but need to finish reading.
This too, because I thought this was really odd when I reread last night.
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On April 03 2014 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
If you want my comments on the "maybe" owrd you seem to think is a big deal my stance is that you are being ridiculous because imo it doesn't mean anything and on top of that prplhz can be extremely wishy-washy (i would say he usually is) as town. So it definitely does not make him mafia.
~rayn
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geript you can't call prplhz mafia because Cephiro hasn't posted so you need to do something else.
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:
i also don't understand steve at all? he's complaining that rayn has flipped his reads and wants to quit the game? why does someone who is in your cell affect you at all? everyone has to vote on that cell so why does it matter if someone changes their reads based on someone swearing or not, especially if you think that other person is scum
that kind of reaction is....... yeh, not very natural looking
How do you not get it.
If I'm town I played well, confirmed my role and am promoting our agenda.
If I'm scum I played even better, tricked my 2 cellmates into thinking I'm town and will secure 1 ML and a point for our team.
This changed because he went, sry for the adjective but it's true, retarded, no more no less.
I don't like it one bit, mods saying it's not cheating doesn't make it better.
Oh and all the while he speaks as if his retarded stuff makes actual sense.
You may say I overreact, maybe I do but I'm also right.
What's even more infuriating though is how this stunt he pulled doesn't raise any eyebrows.
Like, how do they still get town reads after that.
You guys messed up my football game I'm about to watch in 5mins.
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On April 03 2014 03:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Like here is how it went:
prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does"
rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet"
rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum"
prplhz: "yes, exactly"
geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!"
rayn:"w00t???"
~rayn
Now you're just straw manning my argument here. My early argument for you being scum is moreso based on how you prefer to play scum which is specifically to protect your scumbuddies and push mislynches. Go back and reread it from my perspective; pretend you're me and I'm town. What you see is:
prplhz: funky post
rayn: bs +1
geript: attacks funky post
rayn: +1 for completely different reasons, doesn't call/think/pressure prplhz
rayn: looks at geript policy preference post, pushes geript, ignores prplhz for making a pretty analogous stance.
Like it's really odd that you didn't push both of us for the same thing. You've done it before and you'll do it later on.
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you can't call me mafia because i'm town and all of getript's arguments are stupid.
like all of getripts arguments so far have been addressed. i was just about to ask him if he thought he was using VE's meta rule on reading me correctly but then he just admitted out of the blue that he hadn't a goddamn clue and he just added it to maximize the bullshit.
getmoript have you played with me before?
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On April 03 2014 03:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
geript you can't call prplhz mafia because Cephiro hasn't posted so you need to do something else.
~rayn
I don't appreciate being baited with something as dumb and obvious as you're doing.
~g
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On April 03 2014 03:42 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:31 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Like here is how it went:
prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does"
rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet"
rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum"
prplhz: "yes, exactly"
geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!"
rayn:"w00t???"
~rayn
Now you're just straw manning my argument here. My early argument for you being scum is moreso based on how you prefer to play scum which is specifically to protect your scumbuddies and push mislynches. Go back and reread it from my perspective; pretend you're me and I'm town. What you see is: prplhz: funky post rayn: bs +1 geript: attacks funky post rayn: +1 for completely different reasons, doesn't call/think/pressure prplhz rayn: looks at geript policy preference post, pushes geript, ignores prplhz for making a pretty analogous stance. Like it's really odd that you didn't push both of us for the same thing. You've done it before and you'll do it later on.
No that's totally misrepresenting the situation. You are using fancy words to make something look like you want it to look like while it's not. Everyone can go and read the whole conversation in thread by themselves.
Can you now answer my posts. Why do you refuse to answer them?
~rayn
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On April 03 2014 03:43 prplhz wrote:
you can't call me mafia because i'm town and all of getript's arguments are stupid.
like all of getripts arguments so far have been addressed. i was just about to ask him if he thought he was using VE's meta rule on reading me correctly but then he just admitted out of the blue that he hadn't a goddamn clue and he just added it to maximize the bullshit.
getmoript have you played with me before?
Video a few times I think. Maybe a few other times; I don't particularly remember you other than being more lurky.
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On April 03 2014 03:43 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:39 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
geript you can't call prplhz mafia because Cephiro hasn't posted so you need to do something else.
~rayn I don't appreciate being baited with something as dumb and obvious as you're doing. ~g
There is actually another meaning behind this.
How is it in your opinion perfectly fine gumshoe has this heuristic and it's perfectly fine he uses it to call me mafia but ignores it when it comes to you and himself? Why is it not scummy in your opinion?
Like if you say i am mafia for X and someone else says i am mafia for X i can't possibly, as town, think you are scum for saying that but the other person isn't. Can i?
~rayn
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