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On April 04 2014 02:56 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Use the following structure:
"Order: V W X Y Z
Reason: "because of these couple of sentences"
thanks
~rayn Long version here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=62#1223I'll give you the TLDR: 35124 35 First, killing inactive first. This is what I think is most important. All else is secondary 1 Next. Would be nice to get the group cleared up by a lynch 4 Last. I know I am town so I want to live long to contribute much.
Can you explain why would we as town want to kill inactives first?
The other scenario is to kill people we have reads on and we don't have to kill inactives at all.
I think by doing that we have much better chances of winning (= lynch 3 scum in a row and not mind about the "hard" groups).
~rayn
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Steve is modconfirmed town and if you try and lynch him you are dumb.
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On April 04 2014 03:01 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T
Rayn's play would be suboptimal but mine wouldn't? xD
If you read the incident's pages you will see that people are literally telling me to calm down and that I'm attracting attention.
If I did just that I'd in the clear.
Yet you are telling me that as scum, I completely went off on a retarded case that would simply die down if I ignored it?
All the while I had previously beat you in another game as scum under fire, thus you know how good I am in this game. Not claiming to be mafia god, far from it, but I think you would hold me on higher regard than an amoeba.
Have you read my case on ryan? What do you think?
It's the long post I opened this day with.
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On April 04 2014 03:05 Holyflare wrote:
Steve is modconfirmed town and if you try and lynch him you are dumb.
explain?
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On April 04 2014 03:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:56 LSB wrote:On April 04 2014 02:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Use the following structure:
"Order: V W X Y Z
Reason: "because of these couple of sentences"
thanks
~rayn Long version here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=62#1223I'll give you the TLDR: 35124 35 First, killing inactive first. This is what I think is most important. All else is secondary 1 Next. Would be nice to get the group cleared up by a lynch 4 Last. I know I am town so I want to live long to contribute much. Can you explain why would we as town want to kill inactives first? The other scenario is to kill people we have reads on and we don't have to kill inactives at all. I think by doing that we have much better chances of winning (= lynch 3 scum in a row and not mind about the "hard" groups). ~rayn
Each group is objectively hard. As I have mentioned before, it may be advantageous to make the day 1 lynch the one focus on a major scum candidate. However we have no way of knowing which groups will be hard in the future.
In addition the easiest way to cause a town loss is by removing activity from a town and having a game stagnate. In addition inactive players are less likely to contribute or think on their own twoards the later lynches. We would progressively get less accurate
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I'm going out for the night but i really don't want rayn to be mayor.
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He said something along the lines of "sorry mod" which means he got pmd by mods to stop talking about cheating and he said sorry in thread instead of qt where he would have been told
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On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote:
As I explained, I was the most green player.
I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok".
That's why he was afraid.
And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor.
Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right?
It also explains his fixation on getript.
Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo).
And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town.
We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.
I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating.
Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd.
Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point?
Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot?
Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all?
You were not the most green player, you were the most green player to US because at the time me and Rayn were fixed on the other being mafia. Town considered Rayn the greenest by far because they did not have our cells enhanced tunnel vision. No one but me ever called Rayn scum, so I dont see your point here ) : also even if you were right, I'm not entirely sure what that proves, can you elaborate? How sure are you that Geript is town? Do you think prp is scum? Would ceph lurk as long as he did as scum?
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Also the fact that all the scummy ppl jumping on
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On April 04 2014 03:15 Holyflare wrote:
He said something along the lines of "sorry mod" which means he got pmd by mods to stop talking about cheating and he said sorry in thread instead of qt where he would have been told
Yeah this is equally dumb as the swearing thing.
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On April 04 2014 03:16 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote:
As I explained, I was the most green player.
I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok".
That's why he was afraid.
And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor.
Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right?
It also explains his fixation on getript.
Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo).
And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town.
We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.
I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating.
Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd.
Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point?
Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot?
Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all? You were not the most green player, you were the most green player to US because at the time me and Rayn were fixed on the other being mafia. Town considered Rayn the greenest by far because they did not have our cells enhanced tunnel vision. No one but me ever called Rayn scum, so I dont see your point here ) : also even if you were right, I'm not entirely sure what that proves, can you elaborate? How sure are you that Geript is town? Do you think prp is scum? Would ceph lurk as long as he did as scum?
That's kind of not true. I'm pretty sure geript was on rayn's ass by then.
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Well, no one called me out on anything serious. Yes?
You and getript had actively hunted ryan? Yes?
So I was greener? I'll take that as a yes too.
You are again lying after that, getript had called ryan scum many times and I don't recall, have to check filters, I think even before yours and ryans fight.
As for your last questions, I didn't assume anything regarding their status.
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maybe gumshoe is indeed the mafia
who knows
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On April 04 2014 03:22 Steveling wrote:
Well, no one called me out on anything serious. Yes?
You and getript had actively hunted ryan? Yes?
So I was greener? I'll take that as a yes too.
You are again lying after that, getript had called ryan scum many times and I don't recall, have to check filters, I think even before yours and ryans fight.
As for your last questions, I didn't assume anything regarding their status.
I did forget Geript XD mostly cause I tend to forget about him as I generally dont put much stock in what he says / : that is not a lie, it is a mistake. That isnt scummy : P just slop.
Also there are other cells bro, figure out a read and offer it please.
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On April 04 2014 03:23 Palmar wrote:
maybe gumshoe is indeed the mafia
who knows
How does fucking up make me scum? Arent you supposed to be good at this game?
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Does anyone here honestly believe Steve was townier than rayn at any point?
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On April 04 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote:
Does anyone here honestly believe Steve was townier than rayn at any point?
you?
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On April 04 2014 03:26 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:23 Palmar wrote:
maybe gumshoe is indeed the mafia
who knows How does fucking up make me scum? Arent you supposed to be good at this game?
I did not say that was the reason I think you may be mafia
I am pretty good at mafia, not great but pretty good yeah.
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On April 04 2014 03:06 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:01 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure. You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T Rayn's play would be suboptimal but mine wouldn't? xD If you read the incident's pages you will see that people are literally telling me to calm down and that I'm attracting attention. If I did just that I'd in the clear. Yet you are telling me that as scum, I completely went off on a retarded case that would simply die down if I ignored it? All the while I had previously beat you in another game as scum under fire, thus you know how good I am in this game. Not claiming to be mafia god, far from it, but I think you would hold me on higher regard than an amoeba. Have you read my case on ryan? What do you think? It's the long post I opened this day with.
You avoided to answer this or did you forget again?
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On April 04 2014 03:14 Holyflare wrote:
I'm going out for the night but i really don't want rayn to be mayor.
What order do you suggest?
I really don't care who is mayor unless it's geript.
##unvote
##vote Holyflare
Just know i promise you slam and geript are mafia. lynch them first, or our group. maybe you are right on gumshoe/steve, there was something gumshoe said. he said "it's cheating if i am town but if i am scum it's not" - sounds scummy.
~rayn
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