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On April 04 2014 02:18 Steveling wrote:
Well, that doesn't matter prplz because I think I will after all.
Why is gum sheeping so hard that retarded case?
Why is he making stuff up?
Why doesn't he even for a moment question my anger when even ryan asked me why I was getting mad about it.
I don't know if I should trust holyflare and palmar on their townread on ryan but gum has it a bit too convenient.
Don't know, guys, share thoughts pls, am I crazy?
1: Because my entire case on Rayn was that he will contantly turn everything I say against me, if he was scum he had already won his cell. The only reason he would change his opinion is this "ive played many games with Gum, and I dont think hes a total piece of shit, so hes proablly town, sigh" therefore if Rayn is town, your scum to me by default.
2: Lol
3: Scum has already won thier group without lifting a finger, townie says some cheating bullshit that changes the other townies mind, how dare they!? Thats not even remotely fair!
How does that reaction NOT fit scum ?
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On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi.
so you admit that you're scum slipping but your defense is that maybe you only scum slip this hard as town?
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On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi.
Generally a spade is a spade. I'm personally retracting my yolo read on you. Want to explain why pants on head is town pants on head instead of scum pants on head?
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On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi.
1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did
as scum.
2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that.
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All I'm saying prplz, is that I wouldn't do this play if I were scum.
I'd say "yeah nice try ryankoshi, are you retarded mate?" and it would end there.
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On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that.
Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry.
So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all?
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Steve modconfirmed town zzz
Vote gumshoe and win
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You daily reminder that we have 4 hours till lynch and our major mayor candidates still haven't released the oder they will propose. "Lets go by town condenses" they say, staring at an empty room.
I can see how this plays out, we'll lynch all the active players first and then complain this setup sucked because there were only inactive players at the end and we couldn't lynch them.
At this point I cannot avoid commenting on group one so I will do so.
The major problem with group 1 is that gumshoe made a (seemly) innocent remark about betting his life that he is town, and Rayn and Steveling immediately accepted it as fact. I'm sure throughout a game people would always randomly say that they are town. It would be foolish to believe that Gumshoe would be willing to commit sudoku if he was mafia.
Rayn immediately accepting that gumshoe is claiming town is incredibly suspicious (rayn has disproved my theory that he was lying about it), as is Steveling making a big deal about it. If Alakaslam turns around and tells me he is totes town, there is no way I’m going to immediately drop my case on him and announce “Welp, that’s all folks”. Steveling making a huge deal about it is suspicious, however I too agree that town claims are horrible and I don’t like playing with them regardless of alignment.
The major problem is that what Rayn did is illogical and Steveling looks really bad because he has been trying to explain what rayn did in a framework. Especially since he thinks that gumshoe is scum
I will conclude this
Gumshoe is most likely town, and did not cheat. It is the reaction of the other two members of the group that clears him
Rayn probably was not certain about his gumshoe read. Fake tunneling is pretty suspicious
Steveling is having trouble figuring out if rayn and gum are both town or both scum. This could be a huge scumslip
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LSB confirmed town for not understanding me 
~rayn
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Rayn what order are you considering right now?
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On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all?
Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia.
Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary.
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Cell Mini Mafia: The Confirmed town mini game
Setup
Supershort explanation
ONE MAYOR ELECTION. PERSON WITH 3 CONFIRMED TOWN POINTS WIN.
Short explanation
10 Town, 5 Mafia players. No nights.
Day 1: Players may choose to confirm other players as town. Confirming someone as town gives them a confirmed town point. Having a Mod confirm you as town gives you one confirmed town point
Day 2: What's the point of multiple days? This is the town confirming game!
FAQ:
Can I confirm myself as town?
Yes! Of course you can! You just can't use a meta seal or something
Can I fake a mod confirmation of town?
All mod conversations will be dealt with PMs
What about analysis is that important
Sorry you are at the confiming town mini game. If you want to play mafia and do analysis you can go to the mafia quicktopic mini game
What's the mayor election for
It's just something LSB is worried about. You can ignore him
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i thought i was bad gumshoe.
balla i gave my order, i don't care that much,
~rayn
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LSB what order do you suggest and why?
Please don't use more than a couple of sentences. I really don't care about reading a 1000 word post about something i find to be not the most important thing in this game.
~rayn
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Use the following structure:
"Order: V W X Y Z
Reason: "because of these couple of sentences"
thanks
~rayn
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On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary.
Ahh, you make sense finally.
But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.
Believe me or not, that's up to you.
I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure.
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On April 04 2014 02:53 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Use the following structure:
"Order: V W X Y Z
Reason: "because of these couple of sentences"
thanks
~rayn
Long version here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=62#1223
I'll give you the TLDR:
35124
35 First, killing inactive first. This is what I think is most important. All else is secondary
1 Next. Would be nice to get the group cleared up by a lynch
4 Last. I know I am town so I want to live long to contribute much.
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On April 04 2014 02:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
i thought i was bad gumshoe.
balla i gave my order, i don't care that much,
~rayn
Turns out I was ) : what you did doesn't make sense as scum and goes against my argument. If I want to entertain the notion that my reads are driven by reason I am forced to concede that my case on you was wrong ) :. That said you totally misread me as well, so if you want we can be bad together : P
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On April 04 2014 02:54 Steveling wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:46 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:29 Steveling wrote:On April 04 2014 02:27 gumshoe wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
Also, why did gum jumped ship so fast, so effortlessly when couple pages back he was practically begging me to take his side?
We played one more game together gum, I was scum and I was under pressure.
Did I scum slip that hugely in that game?
Because my mistake, if I'm scum, is just pants on head bad not just bad.
Do you think I'd make that kind of mistake?
Answer honestly pls, I am still not sure about you/raynkoshi. 1: I jumped ship because my case on Rayn was invalidated, your reaction was shit, and rayn had no reason to do what he did as scum. 2: That is what I am saying yes, you were pissed that such a little thing in your eyes could mean the difference between victory and defeat after you had sold the on the fence townie perfectly. I truly believe that. Mods I tried my best but they don't let me, sorry. So, gumshoe, you don't think what you did is cheating at all? Personally? I do, I was frustrated, I'd put a lot of effort into this game and yet I cant count the amount of people who have called my arguments outright shit and ignored what I've had to say. I just got really pissed that you werent hearing me out and was utterly desperate, was it against the spirit of the game? Yes, it was. But it felt justified when I did it ) : This setup is really frustrating because it feels like theres scum right in front of you and all you have to do is play your heart our and prove it T_T and I was really upset to find out that I just couldnt do that. To find out I'm really not that good at mafia. Still, none of that changes the fact that In a game where townie seals are outright banned, I do personally feel its cheating. That only aplies though if I'm town, which I am. If I'm scum its a lie like any other, and you cant fault scum for bieng scum. Thats why I am suspicious of how you immediately assumed I'm cheating / : to me that looks you know I'm town, despite all your sentiments to the contrary. Ahh, you make sense finally. But I'd be angry whether I was town or scum.Believe me or not, that's up to you. I'm not gonna swear, that's for sure.
You are presenting your reaction to me as null, even if thats true, Rayn's reaction could not have come from scum unless he was playing completely sub optimal. Presenting yourself as null is not good enough. I know one of you is scum, do you understand why I have trouble believing you over him? If were both somehow town, you gotta convince me how what Rayn did makes sense from a scum perspective. Cause I honestly cant see it T_T
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