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On April 02 2014 19:19 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:Holyflaire. Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. this game i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern. Why did you do this and say i'm taking the easy option but you know... Leave out all the evidence why i said what i said? You seemingly AGREE with me seeing as you quoted yourself as a person attacking mderg but suddenly out of the blue you 180 your read on him because too many people are on him. If you think mderg is scummy then to you AT LEAST 3/6 of those people in your list are town. You defend geript so you think he's town and balla looks really towny. So really, 5/6 people on mderg should be town to you. Only rayn is left and your case on him made 0 sense. So really. You're ignoring evidence from this games posting style to flip your read because a bunch of townies are on mderg. Why you throw suspicion on everyone gumshoe?
I realized I was wrong on Mderg because of how much heat he was getting and his crap meta, I was honest about this and have adressed this point. Town change thier reads all the time, because thier town. As for my case, I pointed out similarities to a scum game of his were he pushed me in a similar manner 0_0. I also didnt like how certain he was I am scum before hearing steve talk. I then explained why all his actions make sense from a scum perspective. How does that make no sense? Provide proof please. I think Balla is scum btw. so there ya go. How is Balla townie? You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy.
Anyways point answered, 3 scum on mdern.
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On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare? Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him.
This is really bad.
The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia.
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On April 02 2014 22:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare? Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him. You agreed with me on mderg, then flipped that read 180 for bs reasons and then quoted something from cultured which didn't apply here at all and then ignored the actual part in this game where i explain things. Want to restate your answer as holyflare - town now?
What bs reasoning? He plays shitty as town, half of active town are on him, a third of active town are likely scum and some of those people are my scum reads. I 180 because I am not trying to avoid hit and get an easy survival win, I am doing it cause I'm trying to solve the game.
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Alright about prplz.
Well whole first page consists of "mby we should lynch this cell first cause unreadable players" and meta, lots of meta, damn.
He had a bite at getript as well. Can't blame him but getript was an easy target.
There's one dubious statement, the one about the cell ranking, I'm not familiar with the setup we have in this game but I don't think it's a good idea. Plenty of time to scumhunt before we policy lynch an entire cell, lol.
Randomly proposes himself for mayor.
Surprisingly 3 pages and like 0 reads? Interesting and scummy behavior.
Read your filter prplhz, not only do you not provide your own analysis but the only person whom you asked others to give insight into is yourself?
On April 02 2014 07:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 07:35 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 07:31 prplhz wrote:
like, literally
getript
gum
lsb
all completely ignoring my posts Your a very forgettable poster / : sorry bud. Rephrase das question? what's your read on me?
That's funky.
Not reading as towny so far, sorry you have to make more quality posts.
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On April 02 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare? Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him. This is really bad. The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia.
If you scum what does this argument mean 0_0 you find your scum buddy town therefore I am scum? Wtf are you saying here? How am I supposed to consider this as valid if I dont know your alignment?
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This game needs a power role so you can swap around people in cells if we want to.
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On April 02 2014 22:58 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 22:47 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 22:44 prplhz wrote:
hey gum how you feel about palmar and flare? Flare is scum probs, Plam I'm not sure yet ) : he thinks I'm scum and hes pretty cozy with Rayn, but his group is so hard to read, It still holds a total lurker (coag) and sentinel is resoundingly null. Need to see more out of them before I can be sure on him. This is really bad. The reason I think you're mafia is the same reason I think Rayn is town, and your alignments are mutually exclusive unless Steve is mafia. So if I agree with a rayn point on you, that automatically makes me think rayn is town because you can't both be mafia. If you scum what does this argument mean 0_0 you find your scum buddy town therefore I am scum? Wtf are you saying here? How am I supposed to consider this as valid if I dont know your alignment?
No the point is that my alignment is irrelevant here. No matter what my alignment is, once I think you're mafia, rayn by extension has to be town, and you're accusing me of being cozy with rayn.
But I now realize your theory has us as scumbuddies in that case so whatever.
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Like how can you be so sure Steve's not mafia gumshoe? He's the person in your group that still has options open on who he wants to lynch.
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On April 02 2014 22:59 Palmar wrote:
This game needs a power role so you can swap around people in cells if we want to.
Hey that's actually a brilliant idea.
Set in a portal universe, also we could see how the dynamics between people change when we do that.
Nice, mods consider it pls for next game.
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Also rayn's case is solid, I'm sheeping the fuck out of that
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On April 02 2014 22:54 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:19 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 13:19 gumshoe wrote:Holyflaire. Mderg is mafia in my group btw, that's an easy one. this game i really don't think it matters, we just lynch through the people not on suki and win x_x The last quote is from Holy's scum game in cultured mafia. Scum want town atmosphere to be one of two things, lax, or utterly chaotic. Lax especially if they feel they're in a good position, which Holy definitely is considering his cell mates are relative unknowns. Scum holy likes to present easy options, lets him minimize his contribution to the game, I'm not impressed with him so far, so hes my pick for scum over mdern. Why did you do this and say i'm taking the easy option but you know... Leave out all the evidence why i said what i said? You seemingly AGREE with me seeing as you quoted yourself as a person attacking mderg but suddenly out of the blue you 180 your read on him because too many people are on him. If you think mderg is scummy then to you AT LEAST 3/6 of those people in your list are town. You defend geript so you think he's town and balla looks really towny. So really, 5/6 people on mderg should be town to you. Only rayn is left and your case on him made 0 sense. So really. You're ignoring evidence from this games posting style to flip your read because a bunch of townies are on mderg. Why you throw suspicion on everyone gumshoe? I realized I was wrong on Mderg because of how much heat he was getting and his crap meta, I was honest about this and have adressed this point. Town change thier reads all the time, because thier town. As for my case, I pointed out similarities to a scum game of his were he pushed me in a similar manner 0_0. I also didnt like how certain he was I am scum before hearing steve talk. I then explained why all his actions make sense from a scum perspective. How does that make no sense? Provide proof please. I think Balla is scum btw. so there ya go. How is Balla townie? You dont go so far to explain it here, ala lazy scum holy. Anyways point answered, 3 scum on mdern.
You never commented on whether or not his play is different from his town play. You just keep calling him subpar town and bad town etc with no actual knowledge of whether that is the case because you neglect to comment on any of the points people raised on him.
Balla is very towny because he is questioning in every single right place, he sees something he doesn't like and he isn't afraid to point it out and go against the grain.
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I think we lynch geript to see if he confirmed me palmar and rayn as town earlier.
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It's really annoying that half of town hasn't really done anything. It's hard to find motivation to go read Sentinel in more detail when the result doesn't really matter until I can compare it to coag. Same goes with cephiro.
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On April 02 2014 23:08 Holyflare wrote:
I think we lynch geript to see if he confirmed me palmar and rayn as town earlier.
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On April 02 2014 23:07 Holyflare wrote:
Balla is very towny because he is questioning in every single right place, he sees something he doesn't like and he isn't afraid to point it out and go against the grain.
Balla also won the Palmar "best post in the thread" award earlier on.
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On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him:
Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum:Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :
I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yes please.
~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!!There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to:
Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means:I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird.....
not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post. - In the green part gumshoe, as town in the last game we played, claims his stance. He says "being readable is a big part of good town play. It's retarded to think otherwise."
- In the red part gumshoe claims his stance in this game. You need to remember this has to do with the point #1 i presented. I have an argument that gumshoe is mafia because he is lying. I want to know why gumshoe is lying and if he has an explanation regarding why it makes sense to lie here as town. His stance is "why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? If you can't read me, that's not my fault."
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation!
Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + :I'll just make a list of these: - gumshoe refuses to answer my case on him and fearmongers something about "you can't read me scum because Steveling bla bla". That's didging an argument, Steveling not posting has nothing to do with if gumshoe is scum or not
- As Balla already pointed out then gumshoe calls me mafia for this. In case gumshoe's logic as town was "you can't call me scum because the other dude has not posted" he can't based on his own logic call me mafia for that. The point is not if this is true or not, the point is if gumshoe thinks this is a good heuristic he can't possibly forget it when it comes to me. He is selectively choosing to apply his heuristics when they benefit him and forget's them when they don't.
- gumshoe refuses to comment on my arguments on his case on me. Instead of telling people why i am wrong (i must be if i am scum and he has a good case on me right?) he only makes the same case again and hammers the same answered points over and over again. See my pretty picture. That's not how townies work.
Thank you for reading. ~rayn
Point 1: Why do you assume the trap was over? I wanted to see if youd say anything else 0_0 because your initial answer was this
I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.
I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?
I wasnt satisfied with that answer, it was totally inconclusive and a complete dodge.
You then game me this
Well i don't have any thoughts on him because he has made one non-alignment indicative post.
Comments on my case on getmoript?
Which was fine, didnt reveal anything important so I moved on and saw no point to causing a shit storm in thread over nothing. Of course you didnt even bother considering any of this cause scum.
Point 2:
What readibility? I dont feel the need to be transparent with people who are 50 percent scum, in what world is this scummy?
This has nothing to do with proving my townieness, which I do through effort and finds.
Point 3:
I am presenting arguments that fit YOUR scum meta first off, not mine (my scum meta is inherently lazy and unmotivated the exact opposite as I've played this game.
Over all your, arguments are "gumshoe lied so hes scum" and "gumshoe contradicted himself as scum" both of which are things I do as town, and you town read me for when your town. You are calling a lynch on me for playing shitty, not cause I', scim : P I on the other hand, am saying "rayn reassures his own reads when hes scum cause hes scared of looking weak" "Rayn meta fits his scum games" "Rayn is certain of my alignment when he has no right to be" all of these things are true brahs / :
I can do this aaaall day Rayn ( : glhf.
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also, policy lynch for traps, that's a good reason to lynch gumshoe.
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On April 02 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote:
It's really annoying that half of town hasn't really done anything. It's hard to find motivation to go read Sentinel in more detail when the result doesn't really matter until I can compare it to coag. Same goes with cephiro.
Idle commentary on shitty town atmosphere, scums favourite flavour of conversation XD
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I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second.
##unvote
##vote: raynpelikonoshi
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On April 02 2014 23:11 Palmar wrote:
also, policy lynch for traps, that's a good reason to lynch gumshoe.
Go fuck yourself, lynch to win asshole, your just pissed because you and your posse cant beat me down 5 to 1.
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