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On April 02 2014 21:55 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 21:47 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 18:45 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote:Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:
Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? This is the best post in the thread so far. On April 02 2014 12:24 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 10:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:25 Holyflare wrote:
Regardless of the poofter read, mderg is just stating things and asking for explanation rather than pointing out and elaborating his own opinions and forming reads.
I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! ~rayn It all fits huh? I attacked Steveling at the start to bait you, Mderg went in to defend Steveling against me.I´m not Rayn... but Steveling really likes to watch champions league and I know it can be taxing to watch close and exciting games. So there´s probably not much to tell from this.
Why would my scum buddy come in to disagree with me? Wouldnt mderg bieng scum implicate Steveling, not me?And why would I press him back? Whats your relation to Steveling, whats your general impression of his play and why did you feel the need to answer a question intended for someone else. Do you think Rayn is scum? How does any of this fit? Do you think me and mderg are scum together? What was your bait supposed to accomplish gumshoe? Did you catch rayn? I Please explain what your bait accomplished gumshoe. I don't see the benefit. All I see is you making a bullshit post and mderg disgreeing with it in quit a natural manner. Also if mderg is scum it says nothing about Steveling's alignment. Does every play ever work? No, it didn't and they don't. I wanted to see if he'd jump on Steve for something small, he didn't, I moved on, thats literally it. Rayn knows I do this as town, he knows I play this way, he always green reads me when were together for doing shit like this. Yet this game everything I say is scummy BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE, Rayn has not liked a single thing I said because he literally can't. literally can't? Because? Because you need to get me or Steve lynched, Steve wasn't around and you cant bank on wether or not you can make his play out to be scummy. But you pretty much know for a fact that you can frame me ( : you've done it before in the exact same manner. Thats why every time you talk about me its like a tidal wave of confirmation bias, not a tide that rises and falls with evidence. From your view, you can't afford giving me a single townie point because it does nothing but weaken your odds of winning. Even though town Rayn would just give me the lot of them this game : P
k. So you are holding strong on this "meta" thing.
I haven't see you make 1 post about Steveling. How does he look to you?
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On April 02 2014 21:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote:
Right now rayn, who would you lynch out of HF's group? mderg. But we'll see him posting more. I have a townread on Holyflare and i am a bit unsure of poofer. I don't see anything particularly scummy from him but i don't know what Koshi is up to or we are not 100% on the same page with him on poofer. I tried to poke Koshi about it in our QT but he is at work so we'll talk more about it tonight.
I didn't like poofter's giant post on HF just to come back and say mderg is more likely scum. That's basically actively keeping options open which isn't really needed for town.
But yes, if this is all mderg has to offer we lynch him. Doesn't make HF's meta any more valid, even if he flips mafia 
On April 02 2014 21:46 raynpelikonoshi wrote:In the meantime, what's your take on this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 14:35 getmoript wrote:
Rayn I have an important question for you. Koshi isn't allowed to answer. I want you to rate your #1 issue with me.
~g I'll give the thread all the issues: My #1 issue with you is your flip-flopping on your reads. At the start of the game you are sure Slam is scum. Very very reasonable. However when other people (mainly me) agree with it you start defending him. You should be even more sure of the read, even if you think i am mafia, because if i am mafia and i "incorrectly read" Slam's alignment there is a high chance that backfires on me. At the start of the game you say HF should be policy lynched because he is either right or bussing. Now you say HF is pushing town wrong direction. Contradiction. You don't comment on my reads. You just say you disagree with them for no reason, you just say i am wrong without telling me why i am wrong. + Cavalinho has no reads all he has talked about is some mayor crap. My #2 issue with you is that your tone changes in ungeript-y manner. At the start of the game you say things. We disagree.. I call you scum. You yell at me and you tell the thread i am scum. Then you say more things. I say more things. You disagree with me again. However you are not aggressive any more. You don't comment on why you disagree with me on what we disagree. Instead you are defensive and passive. Normally as town geript, if he disagrees with someone, comes to a conclusion that person is mafia, or he voices his argument vocally and tries to convince the other person in a way or another. Here you just give up but you still disagree and noone even knows why. My #3 issue with you is that you and Cavalinho are not on the same page in this game. Cavalinho has no idea why your reads are what they are and i find it incredibly unlike that would be the case if you were town. On top of that Cavalinho is scared to voice his opinions on everything that's going on in thread. The only thing he comments on is setup talk. He has no opinions on anything and he doesn't even know why you think what you do. It seems like you guys don't even talk about your reads with each other. ~rayn ???? ~rayn
I don't really understand the first part of #1, the second part is a non-point because if you call that a contradiction no one can ever bring up the HF = bus/right thing and then disagree with him. It's actually really dumb to expect geript to consistently stay with that notion of holyflare and never question antyhing HF does because of it. You're pushing him to live up to what is probably a joke.
#3 is actually a good point, and if there was a way of testing it that'd be great. ie if we could somehow interrogate only the Cav head without him being funneled answers from the geript head. But I don't think we can so whatever.
#2 is just a meta read, and I'm not even sure I agree scum geript is passive, he was plenty mad at me in survivor.
Like I don't know, if this is geript mafia he's not playing like he played in survivor. He was much more cowboy-ish and less interactive in that game than he is now.
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On April 02 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote:
Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference. You used culture to call me scummy in this game to discredit me and then tell me not to shit on your reads? Isn't that what i should be doing as scum? You used a meta on rayn that didn't make sense to call him scum this game too whereas i don't think he is scum. Why does he NEED to call you anything so early into the game when he can be pointing out scum in other groups and coming back to you or steve later to push a mislynch?
Umm, are you saying your scum? Did you get the impression I thought you were town from this post? If your scum sure, call my reads shitty all you like, I am now officially calling you out for doing that in case you didn't catch that the first time.
As for Rayn, in scums eyes they do feel like they need to attack those in their cell, because ultimately the most important thing is winning their group, the earlier they can do that the better.
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Palmar:
On point #1: His reads change unnaturally. Also geript wanting to policy lynch Holyflare is 100% not a joke.
On point #2: scum geript is more passive than town geript. Also see the context, it's me who he is talking to. He thinks i might be mafia!!! geript is not passive towards people he thinks are mafia, especially me, rofl.
~rayn
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On April 02 2014 22:10 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 21:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote:
Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference. You used culture to call me scummy in this game to discredit me and then tell me not to shit on your reads? Isn't that what i should be doing as scum? You used a meta on rayn that didn't make sense to call him scum this game too whereas i don't think he is scum. Why does he NEED to call you anything so early into the game when he can be pointing out scum in other groups and coming back to you or steve later to push a mislynch? Umm, are you saying your scum? Did you get the impression I thought you were town from this post? If your scum sure, call my reads shitty all you like, I am now officially calling you out for doing that in case you didn't catch that the first time. As for Rayn, in scums eyes they do feel like they need to attack those in their cell, because ultimately the most important thing is winning their group, the earlier they can do that the better.
This is a completely invalid point because the same applies to townies too.
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On April 02 2014 22:13 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Palmar:
On point #1: His reads change unnaturally. Also geript wanting to policy lynch Holyflare is 100% not a joke.
On point #2: scum geript is more passive than town geript. Also see the context, it's me who he is talking to. He thinks i might be mafia!!! geript is not passive towards people he thinks are mafia, especially me, rofl.
~rayn
I haven't read the exchange but even that sounds really dumb. If HF is always right or bussing wouldn't we be lynching his target and not HF himself?
And since when has anyone ever been serious on a policy lynch like that?
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On April 02 2014 22:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:~rayn
You very talented Rayn, too bad your scum. Let me give my side once and for all
Gum baits Rayn cause HE DOESNT KNOW HIS ALIGNMENT BECAUSE HES TOWN FIGURING OUT THE GAME.
Findings are inconclusive, Gum goes to talk to other people, Rayn attacks Gum for lying, Gum tells Rayn he has no reason to be completely transparent with a likely scum read. Rayn twists this into Gum hates town and calls him super duper mega confirmed scum. Gum is suspicious of how certain he is before hearing steve talk, gum realizes Rayn is accusing him the same way as witchcraft. Gum goes after him / :
Whats scummy about any of this?
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On April 02 2014 21:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 19:28 Steveling wrote:On April 02 2014 19:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 19:23 Steveling wrote:On April 02 2014 19:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Steveling don't focus only on our cell. There is 4 other scum out there. Don't tell people to focus on their own cell. It's bad play. Pick a target of your choosing and give a read on them please.
~rayn I didn't say I won't bother with other cells, just that each and every one of us should have an analysis of our cell first. After that we can do whatever. Ask me and I'll answer for whomever no biggie. No i don't want to ask. I want to know who YOU think we should be focused on. I want you to weigh the possibilities because i want to know what YOU think is important. ~rayn Will do. When are you going to follow up on this Steveling? ~rayn
Well, previous page I talk about/with holyflare a lot.
I will filter one more dude right now though.
Pick whomever you fancy.
If you don't pick anyone I'd like to check out sentinel since he's low on everyone's radar.
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The fact that you have no town motivation to lie in that situation.
~rayn
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gumshoe
You still haven't commented on Steveling. Can you do so?
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On April 02 2014 22:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 22:04 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 21:59 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote:
Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference. You used culture to call me scummy in this game to discredit me and then tell me not to shit on your reads? Isn't that what i should be doing as scum? You used a meta on rayn that didn't make sense to call him scum this game too whereas i don't think he is scum. Why does he NEED to call you anything so early into the game when he can be pointing out scum in other groups and coming back to you or steve later to push a mislynch? Umm, are you saying your scum? Did you get the impression I thought you were town from this post? If your scum sure, call my reads shitty all you like, I am now officially calling you out for doing that in case you didn't catch that the first time. As for Rayn, in scums eyes they do feel like they need to attack those in their cell, because ultimately the most important thing is winning their group, the earlier they can do that the better. This is a completely invalid point because the same applies to townies too.
Thats debatable, but even then if you agree scum feel that way it still serves to invalidate Holy's point that scum Rayn would avoid his cell, which is utterly idiotic.
Am I fighting this whole thread 0_0
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The fact that me calling you out for lying in a situation you should not lie as town is not scummy and you paint it out to be.
~rayn
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On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
gumshoe
You still haven't commented on Steveling. Can you do so?
You first, I've been waiting on your thoughts before I post mine ( : do me the curtesy?
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The fact that you cannot possibly believe the fucking shit that spews out of your mouth. Therefore you cannot be town.
~rayn
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just got home and skimmed through this. Gonna catch up completely now.
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On April 02 2014 22:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
The fact that you cannot possibly believe the fucking shit that spews out of your mouth. Therefore you cannot be town.
~rayn
Oh wait nm you did post XD my bad. You always town read me for ridicules shit, now that it's not convenient for you I'm obs scum right?
Also explain to me what I shouldn't believe? That I find the way your pushing me familiar to a game where you played exactly the same, or that I think your scum because you were so certain of me before hearing steve out? Call it flawed f you like, but it doesn't make me scum / :
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On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
The fact that me calling you out for lying in a situation you should not lie as town is not scummy and you paint it out to be.
~rayn
You paint everything I say is as scummy. Also, how is baiting for information scummy? Especially when I don't get anything out of it, why do it in the first play as scum if not to make up some bullshit reason your response is scummy like you constantly do to me?
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Noone picked anyone, so I will now filter sentinel and posts my thoughts.
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On April 02 2014 22:18 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 22:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
gumshoe
You still haven't commented on Steveling. Can you do so? You first, I've been waiting on your thoughts before I post mine ( : do me the curtesy?
I like his filterdive on you because he touches the same points as I do, and he did that before he filterdives us. I noticed that he didn't take a hard stance on which of us is scum after his dive even though he sees you way scummier than us. But I have no problem with that because reading his filterdive of you makes it very hard for him to not take a stance later. He clearly isn't hiding and letting rayn and you fight.
I am confident that in our group the lynch will be quite easy because you are digging yourself into such a deep tunnel and Steve seems to be quite rational & townie, making it quite easy to townread Steve and really just see your tunnel as a scum shitting up the thread rather than a townie really really being on the wrong track.
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