EPTCell Mini Mafia - Page 36
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
Look at the games when mderg starts posting. There is actually two games of his: Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 5 pages (game starts at page 5 - mderg's post is on page 10). Normal Mini Mafia I (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 2 pages (game starts at page 4 - mderg first post on page 6). Then there is this game. There is content of 2 pages when mderg starts posting, a lot more when he stops. I guarantee you in this game, when mderg leaves the thread there is more content and scumreads than in both of those games. There are things to discuss (mainly getmoripts reads on me, prpl, my scumreads, etc). In both of those earlier games mderg jumps straight to important content -> starts calling people out etc when there is something to work with!!. In this game he does not, he comments on irrelevant things while there is content in thread. The point is not if the game is 24h into the game or 1000h into the game. The point is in all of these three games there is content to comment on, mderg does it in BOTH of his earlier town games, in this game he does not do it. Therefore Holyflare's meta read is not bullshit. I agree it does not make mderg 100% mafia because the sample size is small and there is no mafia sample. But the fact is mderg IS playing differently than his earlier town games. He is more passive and only comments on non-alignment indicative stuff. Also i know Holyflare does these reads as town. It does not make him mafia, it's not even scummy for him. There is no reason for Holyflare to make a bullshit meta read as scum. Even if HF is scum there is proof behind the read because he does not make shit up. He's too good for that. And i agree with HF's statements on mderg this game. He is commenting on useless stuff while there is real content to comment on. That's a fact. It's also a fact that in earlier games he did not comment on useless stuff once there was content in thread. Instead he tried to form reads and called people out. ~rayn | ||
|
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote: Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. gumshoe is also scum, that's another reason to not believe what he says. ~rayn | ||
|
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
But okay, as I pointed out even if HF's meta is faulty no one else noticed it so either everyone is mafia or it's a reasonable mistake to make. | ||
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:34 Palmar wrote: If you think there's a parallel between 5 pages in 3 hours and 5 pages in 24 hours you're insane rayn. There is much more time to actually re-read and form opinions which is exactly what HF is accusing mderg of not doing. But okay, as I pointed out even if HF's meta is faulty no one else noticed it so either everyone is mafia or it's a reasonable mistake to make. Do you believe mderg used more than max 2 hours in those games to play the game on D1? If you don't, then my point stands. He was in thread for 2 hours in this game and failed to make a single conclusion. ~rayn | ||
|
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Do you believe mderg used more than max 2 hours in those games to play the game on D1? If you don't, then my point stands. He was in thread for 2 hours in this game and failed to make a single conclusion. ~rayn I have no idea how much time he spent playing the game. But reading isn't the same as interactively responding and you know this. | ||
|
Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
| ||
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote: Right now rayn, who would you lynch out of HF's group? what a question.... | ||
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote: Right now rayn, who would you lynch out of HF's group? mderg. But we'll see him posting more. I have a townread on Holyflare and i am a bit unsure of poofer. I don't see anything particularly scummy from him but i don't know what Koshi is up to or we are not 100% on the same page with him on poofer. I tried to poke Koshi about it in our QT but he is at work so we'll talk more about it tonight. In the meantime, what's your take on this: On April 02 2014 19:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'll give the thread all the issues: My #1 issue with you is your flip-flopping on your reads. At the start of the game you are sure Slam is scum. Very very reasonable. However when other people (mainly me) agree with it you start defending him. You should be even more sure of the read, even if you think i am mafia, because if i am mafia and i "incorrectly read" Slam's alignment there is a high chance that backfires on me. At the start of the game you say HF should be policy lynched because he is either right or bussing. Now you say HF is pushing town wrong direction. Contradiction. You don't comment on my reads. You just say you disagree with them for no reason, you just say i am wrong without telling me why i am wrong. + Cavalinho has no reads all he has talked about is some mayor crap. My #2 issue with you is that your tone changes in ungeript-y manner. At the start of the game you say things. We disagree.. I call you scum. You yell at me and you tell the thread i am scum. Then you say more things. I say more things. You disagree with me again. However you are not aggressive any more. You don't comment on why you disagree with me on what we disagree. Instead you are defensive and passive. Normally as town geript, if he disagrees with someone, comes to a conclusion that person is mafia, or he voices his argument vocally and tries to convince the other person in a way or another. Here you just give up but you still disagree and noone even knows why. My #3 issue with you is that you and Cavalinho are not on the same page in this game. Cavalinho has no idea why your reads are what they are and i find it incredibly unlike that would be the case if you were town. On top of that Cavalinho is scared to voice his opinions on everything that's going on in thread. The only thing he comments on is setup talk. He has no opinions on anything and he doesn't even know why you think what you do. It seems like you guys don't even talk about your reads with each other. ~rayn ???? ~rayn | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 18:45 Palmar wrote: This is the best post in the thread so far. What was your bait supposed to accomplish gumshoe? Did you catch rayn? I Please explain what your bait accomplished gumshoe. I don't see the benefit. All I see is you making a bullshit post and mderg disgreeing with it in quit a natural manner. Also if mderg is scum it says nothing about Steveling's alignment. Does every play ever work? No, it didn't and they don't. I wanted to see if he'd jump on Steve for something small, he didn't, I moved on, thats literally it. Rayn knows I do this as town, he knows I play this way, he always green reads me when were together for doing shit like this. Yet this game everything I say is scummy BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE, Rayn has not liked a single thing I said because he literally can't. | ||
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:47 gumshoe wrote: Does every play ever work? No, it didn't and they don't. I wanted to see if he'd jump on Steve for something small, he didn't, I moved on, thats literally it. Rayn knows I do this as town, he knows I play this way, he always green reads me when were together for doing shit like this. Yet this game everything I say is scummy BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE, Rayn has not liked a single thing I said because he literally can't. literally can't? Because? | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Do you believe mderg used more than max 2 hours in those games to play the game on D1? If you don't, then my point stands. He was in thread for 2 hours in this game and failed to make a single conclusion. ~rayn So shitty play from a shitty townie a scum makes? | ||
|
raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
When are you going to follow up on this Steveling? ~rayn | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Because you need to get me or Steve lynched, Steve wasn't around and you cant bank on wether or not you can make his play out to be scummy. But you pretty much know for a fact that you can frame me ( : you've done it before in the exact same manner. Thats why every time you talk about me its like a tidal wave of confirmation bias, not a tide that rises and falls with evidence. From your view, you can't afford giving me a single townie point because it does nothing but weaken your odds of winning. Even though town Rayn would just give me the lot of them this game : P | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote: gumshoe is also scum, that's another reason to not believe what he says. ~rayn Look at that, Rayn's absolute certainty XD. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote: Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference. | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:26 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Look at the games when mderg starts posting. There is actually two games of his: Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 5 pages (game starts at page 5 - mderg's post is on page 10). Normal Mini Mafia I (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 2 pages (game starts at page 4 - mderg first post on page 6). Then there is this game. There is content of 2 pages when mderg starts posting, a lot more when he stops. I guarantee you in this game, when mderg leaves the thread there is more content and scumreads than in both of those games. There are things to discuss (mainly getmoripts reads on me, prpl, my scumreads, etc). In both of those earlier games mderg jumps straight to important content -> starts calling people out etc when there is something to work with!!. In this game he does not, he comments on irrelevant things while there is content in thread. The point is not if the game is 24h into the game or 1000h into the game. The point is in all of these three games there is content to comment on, mderg does it in BOTH of his earlier town games, in this game he does not do it. Therefore Holyflare's meta read is not bullshit. I agree it does not make mderg 100% mafia because the sample size is small and there is no mafia sample. But the fact is mderg IS playing differently than his earlier town games. He is more passive and only comments on non-alignment indicative stuff. Also i know Holyflare does these reads as town. It does not make him mafia, it's not even scummy for him. There is no reason for Holyflare to make a bullshit meta read as scum. Even if HF is scum there is proof behind the read because he does not make shit up. He's too good for that. And i agree with HF's statements on mderg this game. He is commenting on useless stuff while there is real content to comment on. That's a fact. It's also a fact that in earlier games he did not comment on useless stuff once there was content in thread. Instead he tried to form reads and called people out. ~rayn We were all commenting on random stuff at that time pretty much because this a setup we've never played before -_- Rayn, know why your scum? Because everything people say/do just reaffirms your existing biases / : I doubt will see you change your mind once this game. | ||
|
Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:59 gumshoe wrote: This game is completely different, Rayn in my eyes is literally 50/50 on scum and I read steve as town from his new posts. I also realized Rayn was town that game of my own accord(heavy that is). If you wanna call me scum, do so, but please don't shit on my reads by using a totally different game for reference. You used culture to call me scummy in this game to discredit me and then tell me not to shit on your reads? Isn't that what i should be doing as scum? You used a meta on rayn that didn't make sense to call him scum this game too whereas i don't think he is scum. Why does he NEED to call you anything so early into the game when he can be pointing out scum in other groups and coming back to you or steve later to push a mislynch? | ||
|
gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On April 02 2014 21:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: fairly certain I am scum. Why? Explain pls. In witch, everything your scum reads said reaffirmed your biases, it's the same here. In that game, you found my fake post was scummy just like here In that game, you thought my meta worked against me just like here, In that game, everything I said convinced you that I was more scum. That, and your so certain even before steve talks. I have been in this situation before Rayn / : the similarity is uncanny. | ||
| ||
