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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 11:13 GMT
#661
Ahaha my phone fucked up and i started typing into the quote without knowing it so my name got fucked up
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 11:20 GMT
#662
Habout ourlare is scum.
wat?
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raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 11:29 GMT
#663
This is what tehpoofter does:

1) says scum is favored this game because they can simply scumhunt only in their cell, says he won't comment on his own cell until they are up for lynch. (which is not the right conclusion to make for town, town should just focus in their cell AND hunt outside, not simply ignore his own cell till the day they need to get lycnhed.
2) says geript is scum for attacking prplhz because he is from his own cell but he doesn't mention the argument that geript attacks. (there is no thought behind this, just following the rules he set up in his first post, what if what prplhz wrote was a direct scumclaim?)
3) attacks the same person geript attacks. (again attacks him for the policy tehpoofter set up in his first post, but while he attacks prplhz he must consider that the reason why geript)
4) Indicates that in his mind geript & prplhz are still both mafia. Also tehpoofter completely forgot that geript and prplhz are in the same group?? (to me this just looks like tehpoofter is trying to downplay his first 2 scumreads as mistake, something to not pay attention to, which is exactly what we should do because his scumreads are based on a policy he invented to be active early game)

Here are the Quotes I am referring to.
On April 02 2014 08:55 Tehpoofter wrote:
So looking at this setup when it was first announced I really wanted to roll scum in it because its really scum favored. I think in this setup the ideal play for scum would be to just make cases on people in their own cell and try to get one of them either read as town or more ideally read as scum early and often. As scum you basically do your job if you accomplish a misslynch on the day your cell comes up for lynch. I therefore think that it is not very advantageous for people to say anything about people in their own cells cause as town the way we can win is by making connections between people in different cells. So I will be posting and making reads on the people outside of my cell only until it comes time for my cell to be up for debate then obviously I will make my reads known on them at that point but I think before then having to establish connections and conversations with those outside of your cell is the best plan for town and those not doing so will lean more scummy to me.

The only thing I will say about my group is this: I'm fairly new to forums and I feel like I've been read as town by a couple of people in previous games with strong voices like Rayn pretty early on so I think putting my cell in to the first lynch cycle would be a good idea because being new easy town read gives town a 50/50 shot on the first day which is really good odds I think whoever is mayor should be trying to make groups orders based on cases where at least one person in the group is easily read as town and or mafia because we can narrow our odds to a 50/50 or 100% vs a group with say people with less polarized scum /town games


On April 02 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:
On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much

so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.

dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch.

Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum?



I don't like this first post by geript his first post of the game is to go out and accuse someone who is in his cell. I find that really scummy because of how this game is setup. Just in general I find it scummy because of how this setup looks to me. He also reaches out to rayn and from what I know of rayn he is a tunneling type player who will push push push for a read so if geript as scum can get town rayn thinking prplhz is already scum right off the bat this is ideal for him. I think he might have been trying to accomplish that. here. This is the exact thing I brought up in my first post about how I think scum would ideally play this game to give them the best chance at winning.

@geript do you think my assessment of how the ideal town play to ignore the people in your cell until your lynch day is a good way to force people to read others and make connections is bad? If so can you ignore the others in your group until then? (obviously still get reads and have that ready for your lynch day but until then pretend they're not important to read)

On April 02 2014 09:02 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 04:08 prplhz wrote:
i think it would be a great idea if people mainly focused on their own cell. that doesn't mean that you shouldn't tell the thread if you have reads on other people but if you are unfocused it makes very good sense to look at your own cell simply because you have a 50/50 chance there.



I 100% disagree with this line of logic and is probably something I would have said had I been scum. (I thought way too much about this the night after I /ind this game) This is not a good idea because town needs to draw connections day to day and if its 3 people just fighting it out each day then we have to read them right every day whereas if you are forced to connect with people outside your cell we have chances to see things like scum/scum buddying/defending which will never happen if you only focus on your own groups..... prplhz looking scummy off this post.

On April 02 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote:
I just realized both prplhz and geript are both in the same group... damnit 3 posts in and I'm already at least wrong once.

Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 11:32 GMT
#664
I have some issues with poofter posting late on as well but work atm. But for example
On April 02 2014 14:14 Tehpoofter wrote:
@gumshoe that being said as for scum the biggest one for me is prplhz I said earlier in a post he said he wants people to just focus on the people in their groups as thats their best chance of hitting mafia. Statistically it is the best chance but people should read everyone. I also really dislike the post where he claims hes being ignored to me thats like he wants to be read as town for posting and is mad his work is going to waste.


^ after multiple hours Tehpoofter his only scumread (or biggest) is still based on his policy....

So unimpressed.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 11:32 GMT
#665
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.

No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me.

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 11:39 GMT
#666
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.

Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason.
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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 11:39 GMT
#667
I don't know what palmars line of questioning achieved other than a waste of my time at something he could easily see for himself
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 11:42 GMT
#668
On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.

Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason.


I've already answered it and I'm not fixated on anything. Point out what you don't like about what i said and how that corresponds to mderg this game. Also, mderg/poofter contains 1 mafia so of course I'd push the person that i think is mafia at the time what kind of statement is that?

Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what?
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 11:43 GMT
#669
Well, the way I see it, is you may be lying about his meta, he may just be a newbie player.
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raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 11:49 GMT
#670
On April 02 2014 20:43 Steveling wrote:
Well, the way I see it, is you may be lying about his meta, he may just be a newbie player.

What's the point of Holyflare lying about someone's meta as mafia? That would make him scum for people for something he didn't really need to do in the first place. Also do you think he is lying or not, you are not really commiting to an answer? You just say maybe he is lying or maybe he is not, what's your conclusion. Is he lying?

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 11:51 GMT
#671
On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.

Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason.


Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what?


First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town.

Now about the people that bus'd him

Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me.
Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever.
Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that.
Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 11:51 GMT
#672
On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.

No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me.

~rayn


Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff.

To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game.

Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning?
Computer says mafia
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 11:52 GMT
#673
On April 02 2014 20:49 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 20:43 Steveling wrote:
Well, the way I see it, is you may be lying about his meta, he may just be a newbie player.

What's the point of Holyflare lying about someone's meta as mafia? That would make him scum for people for something he didn't really need to do in the first place. Also do you think he is lying or not, you are not really commiting to an answer? You just say maybe he is lying or maybe he is not, what's your conclusion. Is he lying?

~rayn


I'd have to read said filter first? xD
That's why I said I'm waiting on it.

If mderg doesn't show any signs of good play there holyflare would be lying, yes?
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 11:52 GMT
#674
On April 02 2014 20:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.

Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.


Stop wasting my time on obvious shit.
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:
On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?

To coerce him into talking, of course.

mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.

Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise.

I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important.

Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me.


Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation.

Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies.



You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 11:54 GMT
#675
On April 02 2014 20:51 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.

No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me.

~rayn


Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff.

To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game.

Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning?


I mention his post on you which is his first post in the game. It is also not a random game, it's the one lsb linked.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 11:54 GMT
#676
Like the only way your theory holds any water is if you strongly believe mderg would just lurk as town, and is instead choosing to comment on random things as mafia. Him being able to draw conclusions when there's been talk in the thread and time to read does in no way mean that he is able to draw conclusions based on the initial flurry of posting.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 11:55 GMT
#677
On April 02 2014 20:54 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 20:51 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 20:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.

No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me.

~rayn


Holyflare made a meta case on mderg based on his posting in the first three hours of this game, accusing him of not drawing any conclusions and just commenting on stuff.

To back up his case he went back and found some random game from 2 years ago. The post Holyflare specifically points out is something like 3 days into the game.

Do you think Holyflare actually believes this is valid reasoning?


I mention his post on you which is his first post in the game. It is also not a random game, it's the one lsb linked.

Ok, maybe LSB found the game, but the point remains.

Even his first post is like 24 hours into the game.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
April 02 2014 11:56 GMT
#678
On April 02 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 20:05 Holyflare wrote:
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.

Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.


Stop wasting my time on obvious shit.
On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:
On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?

To coerce him into talking, of course.

mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.

Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise.

I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important.

Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me.


Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation.

Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies.



You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes.


That's the point. Point out to me something that indicates a thought process is forming rather than him talking about policy or randomly defending Steve?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22632 Posts
April 02 2014 11:56 GMT
#679
On April 02 2014 20:56 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 20:05 Holyflare wrote:
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote:
No you can have him when I'm done rayn.

Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him.


Stop wasting my time on obvious shit.
On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote:
On February 15 2012 14:58 Lanaia wrote:
Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?

To coerce him into talking, of course.

mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.

Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise.

I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important.

Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me.


Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation.

Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies.



You don't know yet whether or not he's going to follow up on his thought processes.


That's the point. Point out to me something that indicates a thought process is forming rather than him talking about policy or randomly defending Steve?

Point out something in the other game within 12 hours of the game starting that indicates he's forming a thought process.
Computer says mafia
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 11:57 GMT
#680
Holyflare still waiting for you to provide his meta filter parts that made you think he's a quality mafia player.
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