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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:39 Holyflare wrote: Look at my cell, specifically what i wrote about mderg and then compare it to what gumshoe said about a lot of people scum reading him. Do you agree that scum are thr ones pushing mderg? excellent question. I am doing same thing atm. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
You didn't quote anything. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 02 2014 13:34 gumshoe wrote: Its almost purely because of the ratio of players, he is a meh player who is capable of playing very bad and too many people have jumped on him, I have also pointed out holy as an alternative scum in that group, what do you think of him? This post is really strange too. I pointed out a link to a game mderg has played as town which showed that he was inquisitive and pushed reasoning and then i compared it to this game where he just observed things and nothing else. Why does gumshoe not take this into consideration? If he read that game he'd know that mderg is capable of not shit play and then he would see the vast differences here but instead he attacks the people attacking mderg. | ||
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Atm I'm filtering you btw. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:42 Steveling wrote: Holyflare why did you say that mderg is the scum in your group in your first post? You didn't quote anything. I saw that he wasn't asking inquisitive questions that a towny would but instead was saying generic things like "i agree" and "i don't like this". I then looked at a game that lsb linked of mderg's where i saw that as town he was fully capable of making connections and inquisitive posts. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:46 Holyflare wrote: I saw that he wasn't asking inquisitive questions that a towny would but instead was saying generic things like "i agree" and "i don't like this". I then looked at a game that lsb linked of mderg's where i saw that as town he was fully capable of making connections and inquisitive posts. Can you point out the connections and inquisitive posts you say he's making in that game? Here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 14:35 getmoript wrote: Rayn I have an important question for you. Koshi isn't allowed to answer. I want you to rate your #1 issue with me. ~g I'll give the thread all the issues: My #1 issue with you is your flip-flopping on your reads. At the start of the game you are sure Slam is scum. Very very reasonable. However when other people (mainly me) agree with it you start defending him. You should be even more sure of the read, even if you think i am mafia, because if i am mafia and i "incorrectly read" Slam's alignment there is a high chance that backfires on me. At the start of the game you say HF should be policy lynched because he is either right or bussing. Now you say HF is pushing town wrong direction. Contradiction. You don't comment on my reads. You just say you disagree with them for no reason, you just say i am wrong without telling me why i am wrong. + Cavalinho has no reads all he has talked about is some mayor crap. My #2 issue with you is that your tone changes in ungeript-y manner. At the start of the game you say things. We disagree.. I call you scum. You yell at me and you tell the thread i am scum. Then you say more things. I say more things. You disagree with me again. However you are not aggressive any more. You don't comment on why you disagree with me on what we disagree. Instead you are defensive and passive. Normally as town geript, if he disagrees with someone, comes to a conclusion that person is mafia, or he voices his argument vocally and tries to convince the other person in a way or another. Here you just give up but you still disagree and noone even knows why. My #3 issue with you is that you and Cavalinho are not on the same page in this game. Cavalinho has no idea why your reads are what they are and i find it incredibly unlike that would be the case if you were town. On top of that Cavalinho is scared to voice his opinions on everything that's going on in thread. The only thing he comments on is setup talk. He has no opinions on anything and he doesn't even know why you think what you do. It seems like you guys don't even talk about your reads with each other. ~rayn | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
No gumshoe uses that to defend himself. He says it's unreasonable and scummy for me to call gumshoe mafia because based on probabilities i should consider Steveling possibly mafia, and therefore i can't call gumshoe mafia. ~rayn | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:47 Palmar wrote: Can you point out the connections and inquisitive posts you say he's making in that game? Here's the link: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/309405-werewolves-invade-teamliquid-ii?user=mderg Like every post of his shows he's developed a thinking over time of who could be scum and why and pointing out things that don't add up. Now look at his posts this game, not really the same at all. There's 1 liners galore, policy posts that don't really add to anything and then the defence of another player based on nothing. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Ok. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:54 Holyflare wrote: Like every post of his shows he's developed a thinking over time of who could be scum and why and pointing out things that don't add up. Now look at his posts this game, not really the same at all. There's 1 liners galore, policy posts that don't really add to anything and then the defence of another player based on nothing. I wouldn't be asking you for pointing out the posts you think indicate this unless I wanted you to actually point them out. Can you do that? Even if it's just one post with good insight that you consider good enough to verify your theory. Generic answers bad. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:54 Palmar wrote: Right so when you say "he" you mean from gumshoe's pov, ie: rayn = he. Ok. Yes. I understand the confusion, that was worded poorly. ~rayn | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
what do you make of the tehpoofter posts? Because tehpoofter his early posting is horendous. First post: "I wanted to roll scum because this setup is scum favored because you can just make cases on your own cell and win, I will not make cases on my own cell" Second post: "I think geript is scum because he disagrees with prplhz who is in his cell" (There is nothing from tehpoofter on the actual argument on which geript disagrees) Third post: "I disagree with prplhz" Fourth post: " amagad I just realized prplhz and geript are in the same cell? " | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
How can he call geript scum solely for calling out prplhz? 6 minutes later forget prplhz and geript are in the same group. While in between those 2 posts he made a post disagreeing with prplhz which is basically what geript was doing. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote: No you can have him when I'm done rayn. Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. Stop wasting my time on obvious shit. On February 15 2012 22:40 mderg wrote: I don´t get why you voted for me with all the other lurkers here but that´s not important. Should I feel pressured now? I don´t, I feel exactly the same way as before. Your "pressuring" somehow doesn´t feel legit to me. Normally (at least from what I saw) you ask lurkers about their opinions on the game, something interesting that happened etc but you just said that I didn´t contribute. It makes it kinda hard to respond for me. Shows he's looking at people's direct responses and comparing them to how they should respond in a normal situation. Also his post on you at the start of his filter is followed up by his continued suspicion later on in his filter etc etc. He shows thought processes. This game is a total disconnect of just replies. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 02 2014 19:56 raynpelikonoshi wrote: @ Holyflare what do you make of the tehpoofter posts? Because tehpoofter his early posting is horendous. First post: "I wanted to roll scum because this setup is scum favored because you can just make cases on your own cell and win, I will not make cases on my own cell" Second post: "I think geript is scum because he disagrees with prplhz who is in his cell" (There is nothing from tehpoofter on the actual argument on which geript disagrees) Third post: "I disagree with prplhz" Fourth post: " amagad I just realized prplhz and geript are in the same cell? " Not really read through him since last night but i remember thinking" i disagree with everything he is saying but it looks like he has a mindset to find scum with some kind of plan" and that was pretty much it at the time. Will look again when at pc. | ||
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raynpelikonoshi
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
On April 02 2014 20:07 Holyflare wrote: Not really read through him since last night but i remember thinking" i disagree with everything he is saying but it looks like he has a mindset to find scum with some kind of plan" and that was pretty much it at the time. Will look again when at pc. Exactly. That is the problem. tehpoofter gives himself a guidebook to play at in his first post and then he plays by this guidebook without thinking through the actions. | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On April 02 2014 11:13 Habout ourlare wrote: I don't really see you doing that, just pointing out things that you would do "if you were scum". I've pointed out a more than obvious conclusion on someone in our cell that the whole thread is now privy to. Why neglect to comment on that at all? Today is the day we scum hunt. Why hold back information that follows that instead of talking about it? Connection theories are great but not something you should withold reads on someone very scummy for. It's stuff like this. Mderg would be an easy target to latch onto and super push if poofter was scum because he sure as shit wasn't going to push me, yet, he wanted to withold stuff about our cell and get more information and then come out when it was our turn with information. He needed to be pressed a shit tonne to even respond about mderg. | ||
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