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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 11:59 GMT
#681
I'm not saying he can't be scum btw, I'm saying it's ridiculous for you to call him one based on meta you know is not worth anything.
Computer says mafia
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 11:59 GMT
#682
I'll play some doto now.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 11:59 GMT
#683
On April 02 2014 20:57 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare still waiting for you to provide his meta filter parts that made you think he's a quality mafia player.

I think he did that, but the problem is he's talking about shit that happened days into the game and using it to prove mderg is mafia in the first 3 hours of the game.

It's bullshit.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 02 2014 12:00 GMT
#684
Why are you being incredibly obtuse? His posts are so mafiay it's hard to believe you are somewhat defending him. "i agree with this" "i don't like that you meta yourself" and policy/defending someone out of the blue is so hiding behind fake activity it doesn't matter what his meta is.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 12:00 GMT
#685
Wait what, when, I must have missed that, link pls.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 02 2014 12:02 GMT
#686
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 02 2014 12:03 GMT
#687
Holyflare I said he has a scummy play, in my long post about gum.
But the way people bus'd him plus he's supposedly a new player made me rethink.
I don't deny his scammy play so far.
But it's a stretch to fixate on him after a couple hours in the game.

Your view about him is documented, proceed to someone else now.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 12:03 GMT
#688
On April 02 2014 21:00 Holyflare wrote:
Why are you being incredibly obtuse? His posts are so mafiay it's hard to believe you are somewhat defending him. "i agree with this" "i don't like that you meta yourself" and policy/defending someone out of the blue is so hiding behind fake activity it doesn't matter what his meta is.

So why do you bring up the meta then?

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 12:03 GMT
#689
On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.

That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.
Computer says mafia
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 12:03 GMT
#690
nvm you ninja'd.

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 02 2014 12:05 GMT
#691
On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.

That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.


I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 12:07 GMT
#692
On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.

That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.


I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.

And that post is 24 hours into the game.

Your point?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 12:07 GMT
#693
On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.

That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.


I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.

And it's not an assumption, the dates are literally there.
Computer says mafia
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 12:10 GMT
#694
Palmar you are wrong. You accusation is wrong. Can you see why?

~rayn
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 12:11 GMT
#695
On April 02 2014 21:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Palmar you are wrong. You accusation is wrong. Can you see why?

~rayn

No, but do explain.
Computer says mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 02 2014 12:12 GMT
#696
On April 02 2014 21:07 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.

That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.


I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.

And that post is 24 hours into the game.

Your point?


Seriously, wtf are you doing? REGARDLESS OF META, his posts this game say absolutely nothing. I don't honestly care if his post happened 4 days into the game or 4 hours into the game. If i metad him wrong, boo hoo, i didn't read well enough about the time in a game.

It's very simple for mafia to hide behind posts like he's made. Either way, i asked steve what he thought of people blindly agreeing with what i said, what is YOUR opinion on that seeing as you say it's wrong. I haven't really seen your opinion at all on anything.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 12:17 GMT
#697
On April 02 2014 21:10 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Palmar you are wrong. You accusation is wrong. Can you see why?

~rayn

Oh I think I get it.

No one else actually noticed the timing thing either, which means that either no one actually read the meta holy was referring to, or that it's a reasonable mistake to make as certainly not everyone piling on mderg is mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 02 2014 12:19 GMT
#698
On April 02 2014 21:12 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 21:07 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:
On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:
On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity.

That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does.


I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game.

And that post is 24 hours into the game.

Your point?


Seriously, wtf are you doing? REGARDLESS OF META, his posts this game say absolutely nothing. I don't honestly care if his post happened 4 days into the game or 4 hours into the game. If i metad him wrong, boo hoo, i didn't read well enough about the time in a game.

It's very simple for mafia to hide behind posts like he's made. Either way, i asked steve what he thought of people blindly agreeing with what i said, what is YOUR opinion on that seeing as you say it's wrong. I haven't really seen your opinion at all on anything.

I'm not talking about him I'm talking about you. If you meta'd him wrong there is a reason for that. I mean there is obviously the possibility that you just ignored the timestamps because you thought you had something, but there's also the possibility you didn't notice because you were just "confirming" something you had already decided upon, ie you weren't really reading the meta.

But I don't know, I just realized that nobody else noticed either, so everyone is mafia if you're mafia for this.

And I don't really use associative reads, we now know a bunch of people jumped your argument without considering it at all, some of them may be mafia. But it's not because they jumped mderg if they are, it's because of how they jumped mderg. And even if mderg flips mafia that doesn't clear anyone jumping him.
Computer says mafia
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 02 2014 12:20 GMT
#699
On April 02 2014 16:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

This is a few choice qoutes from Rayn's play in witchcraft 2, where he orchestrated a mislynch on me day 1.

Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.

and yeah, that's it.



After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too..


I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard..


Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense.


##Vote: gumshoe
just because i do not like anything he has said this game.



bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why.
After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me.


Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me.

I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.

I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?

~rayn


I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this.
gumshoe what's the point of all this?
On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :

I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second.

~rayn


This next bit is one exchange between us.

Show nested quote +
gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable?


Show nested quote +
Holy is probably the best scum I know of. Thats about it for the players I know of


Show nested quote +
So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game

That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before.

Witch

gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum.


Cell

So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.


Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison.

gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia?


see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers:
1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both
2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation

Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right?

So, my question to you is:
I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question?

I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me.


gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place?


Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable.


Show nested quote +
So you think Gumshoe is town


I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts.


Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed.

Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again.

HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE????


Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here,
Show nested quote +
Rayn thinks geript is mafia


Show nested quote +
I am not sure any more.,


but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association.

Heres another

Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.
Show nested quote +
So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?


What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad.

Heres another example of Rayns twister skills.

gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable?


After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this.

So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this:


Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise.


To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards
cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( :


Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep.

As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again.

"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.


I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone.


Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.

gumshoe:
"The most daming thing is that rayn thinks I am scum while Steveling has yet to open his mouth, rayn and I should be 50/50 to each other, him pushing me as scum is scummy. But my conclusion is that rayn is 90% scum."

-ok then gumshoe-


I have considered that steve is scum at every point in this game, just because I made a play to try to read you early on doesn't mean I was 100 percent sure your scum out of the gates. In fact I backed off after your answer because it was fine. You came back after me because you were so sure my lie made me scum, even though you know I bait as town. I was just figuring out your alignment, like you should be doing instead of blindly considering me scum before Steve talks. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite but I have expressed fear that he might be scum throughout every point of this game, even at the time of my big post I said you were 90 percent, not 100.


Also I love how your team keeps poking away at this one bit because you can't deny your playing exactly the same as witchcraft. How is this game different Rayn? How are you scum reading me here for the same play you'd town read me in any other game? How does a mderg, gumshoe scum team fit? Do you honestly think mderg is scum when half the active players called him red? Even though we know he's capable of shit play and getting jumped for it?

Also have you rescinded you ez pz scum read on me? Because right now I'm fairly certain your scum, but no I'm not completely sure and have never been, because I'm town. Show me evidence instead of generically calling me a hypocrite, you will not find anything as damning as "ezpz confirmed scum" your point is mute rayn / : what bullshit do you offer next?

Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 02 2014 12:23 GMT
#700
On April 02 2014 21:20 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2014 16:59 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

This is a few choice qoutes from Rayn's play in witchcraft 2, where he orchestrated a mislynch on me day 1.

Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best.
I can't read OO for shit.
I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts.
Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk
Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell.
gumshoe ....
thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here
Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch
Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely.
ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts.
hzflank i can read.
Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die.

and yeah, that's it.



After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too..


I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard..


Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense.


##Vote: gumshoe
just because i do not like anything he has said this game.



bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why.
After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me.


Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me.

I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not.

I dunno, why should i think something?
getmoript is mafia agreed or not?

~rayn


I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this.
gumshoe what's the point of all this?
On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :

I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second.

~rayn


This next bit is one exchange between us.

Show nested quote +
gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable?


Show nested quote +
Holy is probably the best scum I know of. Thats about it for the players I know of


Show nested quote +
So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game

That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before.

Witch

gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum.


Cell

So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?
Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm.


Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison.

gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia?


see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers:
1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both
2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation

Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right?

So, my question to you is:
I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question?

I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me.


gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place?


Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable.


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So you think Gumshoe is town


I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts.


Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed.

Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again.

HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE????


Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here,
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Rayn thinks geript is mafia


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I am not sure any more.,


but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association.

Heres another

Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment.
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So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"?


What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad.

Heres another example of Rayns twister skills.

gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable?


After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this.

So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this:


Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise.


To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards
cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( :


Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep.

As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again.

"Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play.


I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone.


Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end.

gumshoe:
"The most daming thing is that rayn thinks I am scum while Steveling has yet to open his mouth, rayn and I should be 50/50 to each other, him pushing me as scum is scummy. But my conclusion is that rayn is 90% scum."

-ok then gumshoe-


I have considered that steve is scum at every point in this game, just because I made a play to try to read you early on doesn't mean I was 100 percent sure your scum out of the gates. In fact I backed off after your answer because it was fine. You came back after me because you were so sure my lie made me scum, even though you know I bait as town. I was just figuring out your alignment, like you should be doing instead of blindly considering me scum before Steve talks. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite but I have expressed fear that he might be scum throughout every point of this game, even at the time of my big post I said you were 90 percent, not 100.


Also I love how your team keeps poking away at this one bit because you can't deny your playing exactly the same as witchcraft. How is this game different Rayn? How are you scum reading me here for the same play you'd town read me in any other game? How does a mderg, gumshoe scum team fit? Do you honestly think mderg is scum when half the active players called him red? Even though we know he's capable of shit play and getting jumped for it?

Also have you rescinded you ez pz scum read on me? Because right now I'm fairly certain your scum, but no I'm not completely sure and have never been, because I'm town. Show me evidence instead of generically calling me a hypocrite, you will not find anything as damning as "ezpz confirmed scum" your point is mute rayn / : what bullshit do you offer next?

Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine.

fairly certain I am scum. Why? Explain pls.
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