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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 03 2014 20:00 GMT
#1661
i already explained my mderg comment i think? anyways

mderg thought steve was town at a point when steve was up for lynch for saying obviously scummy things. seems like a cheap way to buy some town cred. the "he was right when no one else was" was just a stupid way to say it.

rayn is town
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 03 2014 20:04 GMT
#1662
On April 04 2014 04:59 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:51 prplhz wrote:
hey getript you remember that time when you told me that you'd reconsider me but you didn't have time because you were doing important stuff and then you proceeded to talk to slam about colors and animals for 4 pages?

Still on my to do list... sue me

but this is like

i know this is very simplified but it's kind of roughly what's happening:

you think rayn is scum because he thinks i'm town. you think i am scum because i say vague dumb things.

i am telling you that by reading 5 pages of dumb one liners you can see where rayn is coming from. you can see that your arguments for me being scum are not good and you can understand why rayn would think this. but you decide "fuck it, i'll just make a list of what animals slam thinks people are"
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 03 2014 20:05 GMT
#1663
it's not like it's a gonzaw filter, this is 5 pages of one liners we are talking about. should take you about 10 minutes to read, tops.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 03 2014 20:06 GMT
#1664
On April 04 2014 04:37 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:28 Steveling wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:11 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Koshi says:

Steveling (only trying to win his group currently)


Make HF his group last.


Busted?
We all agree we have to win our cells first and foremost and then look at other cells.
In this setup a lynch removes an entire cell from the game, so town is hurt more than MY than scum by scum lynch?

I'm under suspicion so I'm obviously trying to make seem as town and get us a point?
Scumslip?

Even though it was a lie, since I'm filtering cell 5 atm.
I also like how you conveniently ask for HF who blindly trusts you to be the last cell, lol.

dude...

1) Own cell is important but you aren't saying anything about any other cell. And you are more fighting than trying to solve game.

2) What scumslip? I don't even know what you refer to.

3) What does HF being last have anything to do with HF trusting me? I want his cell last because I don't know who the scum is in there. Do you want HF group to be first 3? Tell me why.


I'm not saying anything about other people because some hours ago you ignored my posts and talked about other cells like "its np guys, confirmed scum here, its steveling, lets move on".
Since for some reason people are blindly following you I had my hands full with my defence.

I assume you are a good player, everyone else says so, then you say that I focus on my cell like it's a bad thing while it clearly isn't. Then again you have't displayed many signs of rational thinking in this game so mby I was wrong to assume that about you and that it was a scumslip.

I think it's obvious that I mean that you want HF last because he trusts you. Ez game if you are scum. Yes?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 03 2014 20:08 GMT
#1665
On April 04 2014 05:00 prplhz wrote:


rayn is town


Are you joining the Raynkoshi sect under Grant Masters HF and Palmar?
Meaning, isn't there a reasoning or anything you find in his play scummy?
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 03 2014 20:11 GMT
#1666
On April 04 2014 04:49 getmoript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:35 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:26 getmoript wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:20 getmoript wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
##unvote
##Vote Raynpelikonoshi


dafuq rayn.

??Koshi why you think rayn is crazy for this?

It's not crazy. He just shouldn't let holyflare pick the order when we can do it just fine.

So can you give an brief summation on why rayn think's I'm scum and your take on it?

I can't tbh, funny, but I don't really know it. Somewhere I think it is because you are not yelling that Alakaslam is mafia and that you were defending gumshoe.

I think you are scum because prplhz is reading the thread, thinking and posting good things. I don't understand why you don't see this and why you keep holding on to that opening post from prplhz which was just setup talk. I have issues with people that start a game in a certain mindset and then magically it keeps going that way. I also don't like how you read us as scum, tbh I don't like how not 1 person in this game is trying to read me but they are all reading rayn, I guess it isn't applicable in your case because you state that you can't read me but w.e. When I am town it is always obvious, maybe the hydra makes it less but meh. Which brings me to my third point and hopefully you answered my question, Cav totally disappeared from this game and is just sheeping your reads, which makes your hydra entirely scummy because I don't like your reads.

TBH Cav has apparently been playing epic mafia some and less focused on the thread here. I think he's sheeping my reads because he knows I'm town and knows I can be good; I'd love to see more from him personally and have tried off and on to get him to do more. Honestly, I'm not even sure I'm meeting my goal so Cav being mia doesn't really bug me so much. Honestly, I'd love to have Marv explain how he reads your or Rayn or pretty much anyone really. As for read not chaning on prplhz, it probably won't; when I sit down with his filter and compare it to previous meta it might or if Ceph fails to post or posts bad stuff then maybe it might. I just really don't see a reason to change it when nobody's actually addressed the reasons why I think he's scum. Like Rayn always seems to completely miss the point that I'm trying to make and complete misconstrue anything I type so I'm pretty much in a lack of fucks given moment right now. Plus with no lynch I really have no ambition to change that.

The problem I have with cav is that he doesn't say that. He gives his reads and doesn't say he sheeps you. He just posted 3 names and gives some reasoning.

On April 03 2014 14:30 getmoript wrote:
Scumreads:

rayn, Balla, prp.

Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now)

Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.)

Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game.

Will read into the other cells soon.

~Cav


Cav on us:
first line = omgus
second line = we can't be mayor but that has nothing to do with his read. that's a conclusion to his read.
third line= I can't comment on that, I wasn't in cultured.
forth line = rayn is unaware of the hydra, the hydra is diplomatic. (??? What is this)

Cav on prplhz:
???

Cav on Cephiro:
Why wouldn't Cephiro defend rayn when he is mafia? mafia don't defend each other or ? I don't understand this read from Cav here. Is it something like Cephiro looks bad but prplhz worse???

Cav on Balla:
This guy did X when mafia, Balla does X, so Balla is mafia. But I am not going to tell you guys what X is. Balla is doing things so I make big posts and I can't solve the game. (WHAAAT? which big posts? Solving the game? Where???)
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 03 2014 20:11 GMT
#1667
Letting you know that I'll be going through getripts filter, very very slowly. Kinda tired, lol.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 03 2014 20:13 GMT
#1668
You know what, fuck it, I am the worst lylo player on tl and this game is just 24/7 lylo, I give up on my cell, regardless of whose scum between rayn or steve, they have clearly outplayed me and the only reason we are still talking is because I did something really cheap. If people wake up and realize that I dont care this much when I'm scum, thatd be dandy, but I really have no idea who is red in my cell, so I'm just going to focus on the other ones.

Whatever it means about his alignment, I think I agree with Steve on prp, Geript is playing his town meta to a t if hes scum and I dont think Cephiro would be comfterbale lurking this long if he was red, I also liked his entry and will go into why I think hes town in a bit. Gonna go grab some lunch first.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 03 2014 20:15 GMT
#1669
On April 04 2014 05:13 gumshoe wrote:
You know what, fuck it, I am the worst lylo player on tl and this game is just 24/7 lylo, I give up on my cell, regardless of whose scum between rayn or steve, they have clearly outplayed me and the only reason we are still talking is because I did something really cheap. If people wake up and realize that I dont care this much when I'm scum, thatd be dandy, but I really have no idea who is red in my cell, so I'm just going to focus on the other ones.

Whatever it means about his alignment, I think I agree with Steve on prp, Geript is playing his town meta to a t if hes scum and I dont think Cephiro would be comfterbale lurking this long if he was red, I also liked his entry and will go into why I think hes town in a bit. Gonna go grab some lunch first.

So who is scum in that cell?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 03 2014 20:16 GMT
#1670
gumshoe didn't actually read Steve's case, he just read the first part or something ^^
Computer says mafia
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 03 2014 20:16 GMT
#1671
On April 04 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:
gumshoe didn't actually read Steve's case, he just read the first part or something ^^

I think so to. Because gumshoe thinks steve thinks prplhz is scum.
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
April 03 2014 20:19 GMT
#1672
Might be a little late for the deadline, which is in ~1hr 40 min. I would request all players but the mayor to cease posting at that point, with the mayor submitting the cell order in public. I will start day 2 from there at deadline/when I get here.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 03 2014 20:21 GMT
#1673
On April 04 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:
gumshoe didn't actually read Steve's case, he just read the first part or something ^^


Oh god your right T_T Steve is scum with prp methinks then. But lynch me instead cause I'm obviously the scummiest person in my cell XD

Anyways, quick general question before I go, do you think scum are more likely to bus in this setup because they know they can throw 2 cells?
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 03 2014 20:23 GMT
#1674
##Vote Rayn

gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 03 2014 20:23 GMT
#1675
Wait.... So because steve think prplhz is scum, steve is reasonable and raynkoshi might be scum. But because steve thinks prplhz is scum, steve is 100% scum again?

gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ?

dafuq?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 03 2014 20:24 GMT
#1676
On April 04 2014 05:00 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 04:54 Steveling wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:02 gumshoe wrote:
On April 04 2014 04:01 Steveling wrote:
On April 04 2014 03:59 gumshoe wrote:
Also you never answered my question, who do you think is scum in Prplz cell?


Who me?


Yes.


In the early game he says

and now that your main scum read suddenly lets you go as his main scum read, you go "nice, i'm afk now LOL"

i swear on my life that gum is scum

can we please get over this dumb shit, gum has been theatrical all game and i don't know why you would put this beyond him


Later on he responds to someone fos'ing him

you can't call me mafia because i'm town and all of getript's arguments are stupid.


Like, totally unrelated these 2 points he makes. Weak.

Later he says that he would lynch getript over cephiro which is questionable.
Getript doesn't have the best posts but at least he has some, lol.

On another comment

mderg might be scum because he was right on steve when no one else was


I don't understand this, what does "he was right when no one else was" mean? Does he know for sure my alignment?

He has an argument with getript about getript calling him scum. Read it all and I think they are both wrong, meaning, getript just overreacts to useless fluff.

After that prplz has some nice questions about both me and gumshoe.

He votes for holyflare which I agree with and generally I think is a good protown vote.

I'd say I'm leaning more towards town atm for him.

Except one thing, he changed his mind like 3 times on me and 2 on gum already.
He doesn't question rayn at all, at any point.
I want to ask prpls what's his current opinion on raynkoshi.


Welp, this is pretty reasonable 0_0 fuck, is rayn actually scum? Is that even possible?

Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
April 03 2014 20:29 GMT
#1677
On April 04 2014 05:21 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote:
gumshoe didn't actually read Steve's case, he just read the first part or something ^^


Oh god your right T_T Steve is scum with prp methinks then. But lynch me instead cause I'm obviously the scummiest person in my cell XD

Anyways, quick general question before I go, do you think scum are more likely to bus in this setup because they know they can throw 2 cells?


)))))))))))))))))))
And you and rayn have more town reads than me.
k
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
gumshoe
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada3602 Posts
April 03 2014 20:30 GMT
#1678
On April 04 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Wait.... So because steve think prplhz is scum, steve is reasonable and raynkoshi might be scum. But because steve thinks prplhz is scum, steve is 100% scum again?

gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ?

dafuq?


I am resigned to getting lynched in my cell, I dont care about it anymore, I'll focus on the others because I find steves play fine, he got angry, I would a bit too (though I would have directed that anger at me in that situation) I also found what you did townie as well, then I read my filter, and by god does it look scummy in comparison T_T you want me to make a case on me? I probably can at this point.

The only way I can prove myself is by focusing on finding scum and I cant sincerely do that in this cell. So do watcha gotta do. Ima look elsewhere for once.
gumshoe bullshitting at 120%~~Prplz
raynpelikonoshi
Profile Joined October 2013
Cayman Islands1087 Posts
April 03 2014 20:31 GMT
#1679
On April 04 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Wait.... So because steve think prplhz is scum, steve is reasonable and raynkoshi might be scum. But because steve thinks prplhz is scum, steve is 100% scum again?

gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ?

dafuq?


I am resigned to getting lynched in my cell, I dont care about it anymore, I'll focus on the others because I find steves play fine, he got angry, I would a bit too (though I would have directed that anger at me in that situation) I also found what you did townie as well, then I read my filter, and by god does it look scummy in comparison T_T you want me to make a case on me? I probably can at this point.

The only way I can prove myself is by focusing on finding scum and I cant sincerely do that in this cell. So do watcha gotta do. Ima look elsewhere for once.

Do you want me to make our cell first for lynch?
Koshi & raynpelikoneet hydra
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 03 2014 20:32 GMT
#1680
On April 04 2014 05:08 Steveling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 05:00 prplhz wrote:


rayn is town


Are you joining the Raynkoshi sect under Grant Masters HF and Palmar?
Meaning, isn't there a reasoning or anything you find in his play scummy?

i don't understand this so i'm not going to respond to it
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