On April 03 2014 12:52 Tehpoofter wrote: @gript I didn't bring up your case on rayn cause I was talking mainly in that post about cell 1 as a whole. Not outside influence as much. So there was one part of your case that I didn't like because it seems to me that rayn could easily exploit it as mafia and why he wouldn't do it is beyond me since you clearly are adamant about it.... basically the part where you say "rayn should know I'm town the fact he doesn't makes him mafia" where as rayn as mafia would know your town and could just call you town and placate you. I don't see the advantage scum rayn has unless hes partner's with exactly prphlz (who I think is mafia btw) and wants to leave it open for you to be mafia in the case that your inactive dude comes up and seems super town and hes already called you town and doesn't want to paint himself into a corner)
I'll reread it when I get home geript about to get off work here and have to clean up around here and also need to read the other games I'm in.... I'm super salty I read 20 pages of arguing and came to the same conclusion I should have just skipped the whole damn thing.
This setup is 100% predicated on scum obtaining Mislynches. There's huge impetus for scum Rayn not to townread me because it limits his mislynch options. Besides the point isn't in any way based on Rayn not town reading me. Like read what I wrote people. This is specifically based on Rayn's response re: prplhz. Prplhz filter specifically has points which IN THE LEAST point to townript; town Rayn would at least consider this in his read. He would not be 100% scumript and not 100% agree with his prplhz read on me because prplhz specifically points out things that indicate townript.
On April 03 2014 12:20 raynpelikonoshi wrote: LSB how are you "most likely to solve the game" when you have given zero reads in this game?
~rayn
The better question is: LSB how are you likely to solve this game considering how many scum you 'caught' in PYP?
Do you shit up tl forums because you find it fun to be a troll? Or are you just a disgusting human being? Please leave
That's a pretty odd response LSB. To give an analogy: LSB: coach put me in and let me take the last shot to hammer the win for us Coachript: idk son, last game you weren't even able to shoot 50% from the free throw line, why should I trust you with the rock? LSB: fuck you and your little dog too coach.
Firstly as a side note. Thinking from a mafia perspective, there is no reason to defend gumshoe (regardless of his alignment). Both members of the cell seem to agree that gumshoe is town. And both Rayn and Steveling quickly accept gumeshoes questionable 'swear on my own life' as a big deal, leading me to believe that one of them is the mafia.
Next up it seems like he is thinking coherently about people's alignment rather than fabricating claims. His post reads a lot like someone who was trying to view gumshoe as mafia but then changed his mind after actually reading the posts. Sentinel certainly provides a lot of reasoning for it too
Palmar - The thing I don't like the most about Palmar is how buddy buddy he is playing with Rayn (and geript). Of course, Palmar actually reads the setup and understands that two people in a group can't be mafia. Of course, palmar admitted he does this a lot as town so I can't take this as alignment indicative.
The only other possible things with palmar that are alignment indicative in his filter are his read of Gumshoe and focus only on group one. I really like the fact that he is focusing only on group one. Honestly it seems to me that spreading your reads out is pretty scummy as they don't even have to be coherent, and one of the most important thing about finding mafia is that it gives us confirmed town*.
Palmar is certainly taking advantage of the setup and how beneficial it can be for town and I like that
*If we are 100% sure someone is mafia, it would be better to lynch that group later so we have two confirmed town speaking for a while ##Lynch Coag by process of elimination coag should be mafia
@geript rereading your thing on rayn I think your case is from a townie POV I just don't agree with it. I read rayn for other reasons mainly his case on gum and his general town rayn gung ho attitude.
@geript I think we should do your group first and get prplhz did you read my case on him? I think he is scum.
@ whoever is around hopefuly rayn, balla who do you think is scum in cell 5? I actually town read geript even though I think his case on rayn is wrong I think it comes from a town mindset while I think prplhz is scummy as I put in my case and I geript did in his as well.
@LSB So you are the best mayor? What are your reads on my cell (cell 2)? I see you put us 2nd to last by PoE.
What if it came down to the last day and it came down to your group and you're choosing between Slam and Balla (assuming you're town) do you feel confident in your ability to read slam?
Thread dead atm reading catastrophe and dr who will check back intermittently I want to ask questions nad talk to people but some people sleep at night like weirdos.
oh @rayn if you had my mayor vote do you have an idea what group order you'd do? Sorry if I missed it earlier I didn't take good notes reading that novel at work.
On April 03 2014 13:49 Tehpoofter wrote: @geript rereading your thing on rayn I think your case is from a townie POV I just don't agree with it. I read rayn for other reasons mainly his case on gum and his general town rayn gung ho attitude.
@geript I think we should do your group first and get prplhz did you read my case on him? I think he is scum.
First off Rayn is gung-ho regardless of alignment.
I remember reading it and not thinking much of it... Re: scum slip about mderg and Steve iirc. But I honestly have been working the past 5-6 hours or so and need to go back so I can reread critically so I can actually see what's been posted and think about it.
@getript... I hate using "slips" so read the other part of the case too cause I think hes scummy for way more than just that cause slips I think are unlikely to be conclusive but he does indicate he knows.
Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now)
Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.)
Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game.
On April 03 2014 08:22 prplhz wrote: anyway, my point is that rayn has just played 3 games with me in a row. so he probably knows more about me than you. since your experience with me is in some games from long time ago and two video mafia games, one where i was nk'd n1 and one i replaced into at lylo.
and i was lynchbait all of those games, maybe except one of them. but the point is, i often look bad in the eyes of everybody, often because of low activity but also because of alleged "contradictions" and generally being dumb (something mafia players like to accuse each other for). but i think i might look better this game because for some reason i felt like being a lot more active (not so much now because the thread is getting hard to keep up with and i'm a slow reader/understander).
it's that simple, rayn's read on me makes perfect sense in the context of the last 3 games we played together. your read is pretty bad. you should read my filters from those games, they're pretty short and full of one liners.
If Geript is town, he has a flat out better chance of reading you than rayn would, it's not even a matter of reasoning, to him you look like scum by default considering that Ceph has barely played / :
So your telling him that Rayn reads you better makes no sense in this context. Also when does Geript ever make sense period? You dont seem to think hes overtly scummy, so is Ceph playing a super lurk scum game? Is that where your at?
i don't understand this at all.
ceph didn't play so he looks null. he could go either way. that doesn't say anything about me at all. to geript the job is literally this: decide if prplhz looks town or scum. if he looks town, lynch ceph. if he looks scum, lynch him. why would i look scum by default becase ceph isn't here?
i didn't play with geript before that i know of. two video mafia games but i got killed n1 in one of them and replaced into the other at LYLO (and won the very next lynch, horay!). i think i said about as much already.
i said where i was at in my post. i would lynch getript over ceph right now. might change though so ceph should def start posting.
Im saying that you are arguing that Rayn reads you better and that Geript should listen to him, this is dumb for two reasons 1) If Geript is town he has a easier time reading you then Rayn, this is a fact. 2) People can not make sense and still be right / : Geript does it all the time.
1 isn't a fact as much as it is plain wrong. geript has an edge but that doesn't mean he's better than rayn. i mean, the consequence of this line of thought is that we should have every single group decide their own lynch because the two townies in the group know better themselves. obviously we're going to want everbody's opinion on it, not just to get a read on them but also to use their reads because they might be good scumhunters.
2 man that's true. totally new perspective here, didn't even consider that. geript doesn't make sense, so in case he is right, i should sheep him on lynching me. yes. how could i not have seen this before now.
1: No, we shouldnt, cause the cells can lie, the point is you are telling GERIPT HIMSELF that he should listen to Rayn, which is dumb because he has a far better shot at catching scum than Rayn, I dont know why you feel the need to deny that, all I'm saying is if Geript is town, you pretty much have to look scummy to him (because cephs not doing shit) regardless of reason.
2: Fair point : P just saying, bad doesn't a scum make.
1) well i did ask geript to read my filter from my last games (and they're not very big, don't worry) and see where rayn is coming from. not all of my games, my filter from my last game (world championship) might be the best one. just to get an idea about me. i'm not just asking him to sheep rayn. also, no i don't have to look scummy to him because ceph isn't around. i can also look towny to him. right? or i can look null. how i look has absolutely nothing to do with how ceph looks. gript just has to pick one at some point but he can easily read us both as scummy and be completely in doubt and frustrated with his group, or he can read us both as town and be equally in doubt and frustrated. right?
Meta'ing you is on my to do list, there are just other things that are far higher on said to do list right now. I know you think that I've been avoiding you for most of the game. It's not intentional; I've been a bit preoccupied with other things and I can't respond to everything while at work. If you're town, I'll get the right read on you. If you're scum, I'll get the right read on you. Just busy. <3
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