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From the voting thread:
On October 17 2012 16:01 thrawn2112 wrote: 1 da0ud 2 austin 3 hiro 4 hopeless1der 5 mementoss 6 Djodref 7 kushm4sta 8 thrawn2112 He said thread(s) [plural] for a reason.
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I need to sleep guys...
I'm updating my list according to my latest feelings while reading the thread
##Vote 1-Hiro 2-Austin 3-Hopeless 4-Kush 5-Daoud 6-Mementoss 7-Thrawn 8-Djodref
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kush i'm gonna get pissed if I have to link it to you
Right now I'm thinking scum are between da0 austin hiro and maybe djo. my town reads are hopeless/memtoss/kush. Da0 is the hardest for me to decide on. He's either way up high (#1) on the list or way down low. A lot of what I think makes him scum could just be newbness or language barrier
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sorry i jsut read this thread not the voting thread
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and it needs updating because of all the hopeless speculation that went on earlier but I'm gonna wait cuz I don't want to spam the voting thread. but basically hopeless is way more town and probably memtoss along with him. not really sure about djo atm, but i've been getting town vibes off him all game except for the very start
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On October 17 2012 06:24 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2012 04:36 austinmcc wrote:Hiro, I'm interested in what you meant by this: On October 10 2012 04:20 HiroPro wrote: Going to be changing the way I play this game. How are you changing your play, and do you feel that you've done so? I wanted to be more in control/leading. Hasn't really worked out partly cause I haven't had time, partly cause I'm not sure exactly how to go about it. Hiro you really need to get your ass in here or explain your absences better. Your filter is currently smaller than mine is, and it doesn't give me the fuzzies all over..
On October 16 2012 11:43 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2012 11:37 da0ud wrote: However I do agree that Hiro took advantage of all the tunelling to hide most of Day2....
Please Hiro, explain yourself . Who are your scumreads currently ? You'll have to wait for my deadline post. What happened to the deadline post?
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@thrawn you dont have to spam the voting thread. Put your updated list in this thread please.
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Too many people have austin high on there list without explaining it, and no one has commented on my austin case except kush who just said: austin case on mmt >>>> mmt case on austin
we need lists from austin, kush, hiro,da0d asap.
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1 da0ud 2 austin 3 hiro 4 Djodref 5 mementoss 6 kushm4sta 7 hopeless1der 8 thrawn2112
kush lets discuss da0
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On October 18 2012 01:18 Mementoss wrote: Too many people have austin high on there list without explaining it, and no one has commented on my austin case except kush who just said: austin case on mmt >>>> mmt case on austin
we need lists from austin, kush, hiro,da0d asap.
here are some words about da0 austin and hiro
+ Show Spoiler +On October 17 2012 15:13 thrawn2112 wrote:There's a lot in the tone and motive of da0's posts that make me think he is scum, but I'm having a hard time differentiating that from what might just be language barrier problems, or general first time noobishness. Here are some examples. They include just general weirdness, hints of insincerity, and chiming in with agreement whenever people defend him. + Show Spoiler +On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote: Hi again guys !
Happy to be here with ya all ! I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool.
One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it.
I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible.
What do you guys think ? At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what....
Daoud. On October 11 2012 12:53 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 08:21 austinmcc wrote:On October 11 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn did you read my point about how it's a scum mentality to say that byes are at a "disadvantage"?
vote daoud IMO! I really dont want to overrule other people's votes by voting more than once. I also do not want to get lynched, and I am town. I view starting one step closer to lynch as a "disadvantage." Yes, it's kind of weird phrasing, but townies don't want to get lynched either. I don't read that as really pointing one way or the other, whereas I read his comment about wanting to lynch seeds 10, 11, and 12 because they might have rigged the bracket that we have been told by mods was random as a townie thing. It shows...unhealthy paranoia about things that cannot be true? Like +1 On October 11 2012 14:38 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 13:14 kushm4sta wrote:@daoud On October 11 2012 12:48 da0ud wrote: Thank you, you are the only one i think who understood really what I meant. I hope you are not using me.
so lol. Clarify how he can be using you? Well, as he was the only one really supporting me, he could easily get my trust and getting me to follow his lead on who to vote against, etc. If he was mafia, then that would be another bullet for the mafia team (ie : getting a townie to follow their voting pattern). Maybe what i say doesn't make sense, but : * Let say we are 9 townies, 3 mafia. * One of the mafia supports the "weird" guy (who is the only one who reads the theme of the game :D) * Let's assume this guy is now 40% following the conviction of the manipulator. * Town is now made of 3.4 mafia vs 8.6 townies, and the plague is spreading. But I am not that dumb (or am I ?), I'll make decisions by myself. On October 14 2012 22:26 da0ud wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 21:51 kushm4sta wrote:On October 11 2012 14:38 da0ud wrote: * Let say we are 9 townies, 3 mafia. * One of the mafia supports the "weird" guy (who is the only one who reads the theme of the game :D) * Let's assume this guy is now 40% following the conviction of the manipulator. * Town is now made of 3.4 mafia vs 8.6 townies, and the plague is spreading.
This is first time scum? Yeah math can be an indication of scum wanting to appear active, but keep in mind this was an explanation that I requested. I don't think first time scum would try to fake this level of newbie paranoia. On October 11 2012 15:14 da0ud wrote: Out of topic question : are you all in bed ?
I will be super not busy for the next 4hrs. Please ALL wake up !!
Look how eager he is to interact. As scum I would think he'd be more afraid. Haha. The alien invaders "joke" is just..... idk. Later on he said it was an attempt to get discussion moving but I do not see how he could expect anyone to take that idea seriously. Then he talks about "mini scum"..... just wtf once again. Da0 what were you talking about with mini scum? Another point against him is that he laid down 9 votes on sandroba. That's already been addressed by people on both sides of the da0 debate but it still stands as a fact. He talked about his vote for sand and here was my initial take on his post: + Show Spoiler +On October 14 2012 16:51 thrawn2112 wrote:yeah the bolded part just screams noob mafia Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 15:58 da0ud wrote: Sorry just caught up on the chat and am currently hiking close to china border so poor network.
One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy. I found more content on sand than on the lurker ON. And at the time I put my votes there was already 11 votes on san. I was following the crowd. Overnight the defense of Sand got pretty intense and sure would I have shifted my votes towards ON, not that it would have made a difference anyway. Even if it is not confirmed I am fairly sure Sand is town cause he put his votes on ON to go to the final which would not make sense for a scum to push another scum to face him in finals. At this stage I am pretty sure as well mementoss is scum. I already put it as second scum read from the round of 4 but now put him as top read. Ok you voted for sandroba because: "One first thing on my vote against San is at the time as default choice between two people I found scummy." but here are the most recent cases of you talking about either of them: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:21 da0ud wrote: ON moves on then not then again. Now I am pretty sure at least one town is in the finals. Let's hope there are not two of them and we find the scummy one Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:18 da0ud wrote: I see as well that Sand voted 7 times against ON to make him move on, when himself was already doomed over Djo. Hence ON and Sand cannot both be scums. It is actually a good result to have Sand vs Hopeless So please show me where you found ON scummy. In fact it seems like you weren't "thinking" ON was scum... your reason for voting him was always policy related: Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 11:03 da0ud wrote: I wanted ON over Hopeless because of ON inactivity and actually ON has posted a lot of good things and but effort in his defense. There is more content to be expected from him to help us get a better read on him in the future. I do want Sand > Djo which is the case right now. From what i said earlier I dont think either that Djo and Hopeless can both be mafia, hence at least we are saving one valuable town with constructive agrumentation. Oh and I'm not really convinced about memtoss.... I don't buy that he was bussing ON. His votes for ON came at a time when a bus would have been extremely stupid or extremely clever and I doubt he's capable of either. I think he was the first person to actually vote ON. Maybe a scum memtoss would have figured that sand is getting lynched no matter what but I doubt he'd have taken that risk. Also, he was who Sandroba most wanted us to kill, and from I can tell it's the same deal with ET. Both of those guys are dead. Sandroba's lst words about da0 were: Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 16:57 sandroba wrote: Just lynch da0ud, then prplhz, then you figure the rest out if the game is not over. The only reason why I think he could be town is because his scumhunting posts show a lot of townie paranoia. Like a lot. And this being his first game that would make sense for him to be overly paranoid. And he has shown pretty consistent suspicion of memtoss but eh, scum or town would do that. So for now he's gonna stay at number 3 spot,on my list and will possibly move up higher because I'm not confident that he's scum but there is so much against him (his posts seem forced, he was sandroba's and et's lynch choice, he voted 9 for sandroba)that it'd be dumb to let it slide. Also I think a do0 flip would be extremely useful. As for austin.... bleh. I've played 1 game with him (town austin) and I've obsed a couple of his town games and he just seemed so much more straightforward and useful than he's being in this game. His word count is still really high but his post just seem way fluffier than what I'd come to expect from him. Also I still can't get over the vote sharing thing from D1. I can not understand how any town player would do that.... first of all that means that you don't trust your own judgement which I don't think that'd be the case with a town austin, and it also means that you have almost confirmed town reads in the people you're giving the votes to. He did it on D1... could he really have been so sure that kush and I were town at that point? Also, at the time he made the offer I believe kush was strongly in favor of lynching sandroba, and I was on the fence but I'd been the main person pushing sand's case all game. I am not convinced that town austin would have shared votes like that. As for hiro, he got the 2 spot on my list basically because of process of elimination. I don't have the slightest town read on him, nor do I have the slightest scum read. That is very worrying and in the past when there's a player that I'm not really concerned with because they are off the radar, big surprise they end up being scum. I'll look through his filter next. On October 16 2012 19:17 thrawn2112 wrote: how exactly is it different? only thing I can think of is that I'm somewhat trollish this game.... not really sure why I'm being like that but it could be due to... to quote nony... "substances that we'll collectively call alcohol"
and yeah I'm actually in agreement with you about daoud. I'm also not convinced about memtoss. Lately I've been wading through the filters of hopeless/austin. Austin's play has just been weird compared to his normal meta. I'm used to seeing him writing these exhaustive walls of analysis where he details his exact reads on people... this game he's just been doing stranger stuff and he seems more willing to go into lurk mode if you don't call him out
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I put my list up already It does pretty much 1 thrawn 2 djo 3 austin 4 dao 5 1der 6 hiro 7 memetoss somtehing liek that
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kush why is djo #2 for you
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On October 18 2012 01:29 kushm4sta wrote: I put my list up already It does pretty much 1 thrawn 2 djo 3 austin 4 dao 5 1der 6 hiro 7 memetoss somtehing liek that
how in the fuck can you have a town read that good on hiro
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On October 18 2012 01:39 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:29 kushm4sta wrote: I put my list up already It does pretty much 1 thrawn 2 djo 3 austin 4 dao 5 1der 6 hiro 7 memetoss somtehing liek that how in the fuck can you have a town read that good on hiro
he had a really town d1 then his activity died down a lot. low activity isn't a scumtell though.
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Going to write my thrawn case now. Scared, thrawn?
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On October 18 2012 02:03 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 01:39 Mementoss wrote:On October 18 2012 01:29 kushm4sta wrote: I put my list up already It does pretty much 1 thrawn 2 djo 3 austin 4 dao 5 1der 6 hiro 7 memetoss somtehing liek that how in the fuck can you have a town read that good on hiro he had a really town d1 then his activity died down a lot. low activity isn't a scumtell though.
sadly your right, but you made me do all the searching myself o-o.
day 1 hiro looking town: + Show Spoiler +On October 12 2012 05:19 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 04:41 kushm4sta wrote: Originalname vs Hiropro Original: I'm not going to vote someone because they are busy. Yes I buy his panic votes. I think his story about the PM is very believable. He only has 1 post of merit but I think the post is fine. He's definitely not afraid to share his thoughts. He brings up a good point about djodref's drunk post. Did drunkenness cause the vote or did it just cause him to not tell us about it? It bothered me at the time but I forgot about it. But anyway I don't think his 1 post looks scum.
Hiropro: Not omgus but my suspicion of him comes from his suspicion of me. It's the only thing that's in his filter basically. He called my argument about the daoud's bye disadvantage a "contradiction" and he has not sufficiently explained how so. And he wants me so bad that he added another vote to put me over the edge at the last second? His arguments don't back up that kind of suspicion IMO.
The contradiction is that you accused daoud of this " He is not approaching the bracket as an opportunity to catch scum", when in fact you yourself were using the bracket to pick players who you thought were worse to advance, not those who you thought were scum. I'd still like a response to this please. austin was someone you considered good and he directly refuted one of your points so I'm wondering why you didn't try to convince him otherwise, if you didn't accept his view: Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 10:52 HiroPro wrote:On October 11 2012 10:33 kushm4sta wrote:On October 11 2012 10:18 HiroPro wrote:On October 11 2012 10:11 kushm4sta wrote:On October 11 2012 08:54 HiroPro wrote:Hey Djodref, I'd like a proper response to the question I asked you earlier. Not a repetition of what you've already said, I want a clear stance.
I'm voting for kush over prp. kush doesn't seem to have much interest in finding scum - his votes are for people who he thinks are "bad", which is pretty much just abdicating any responsibility for scumhunting. The one vote that he does try to give some reasoning for is nonsense and in itself a contradiction since kush himself is not attempting to find scum - he's content to make one weak read and pick 2 other people for reasons unrelated to finding scum. He's right, that getting a bye makes it easier for you to be lynched. But he calls it a "disadvantage." Scum would be more likely to think of it this way. He is not approaching the bracket as an opportunity to catch scum, but as a trial to avoid lynch. He has the natural fear of a scum. kushm4sta x1 I get that people think it's not a scumtell, but how is it "in itself a condradiction since [I am] not attempting to find scum"? My point about doaud had nothing to do with whether or not he was scumhunting, so I don't see the contradiction. Then what is your point - that he's showing a scum mentality? It's already been explained to you why that argument doesn't hold any weight (townies would consider byes a disadvantage too, since they don't want to get lynched either), so I don't see why you would keep your vote on him for that reason. Yes my point is he is showing a scum mentality. Yes it has been explained, but I do not consider any explanation given definitive. Personally I did not think about the bye being a disadvantage. I don't want to lynched sure, but my fear of being lynched is WAY more as scum. So then why is it that you made no attempt to convince austin otherwise?
Show nested quote +On October 12 2012 00:38 Djodref wrote:Day 1 Round 2 PreviewHopeless/ThrawnIt's kind of night and day. Thrawn is active in the thread, gives good contributions and points out what is weird in other players posts. So far I have a slight town read on him. I would expect very good reasons for anyone wanting him to advance. Hopeless on the opposite has almost contributed nothing. He also seems strangely obsessed with people being around at deadline or not. Which is even stranger when you consider that it seems ok for him to unvote everything without warning just before the deadline. I'll develop later on Hopeless, hopefully with some insight from his side, but I would go as far as saying that he is my top scumread at the moment. Prediction: Hopeless advances to the Ro4 3-0 HiroPro/OriginalNameAt first glance this MU looks easy but it could be more interesting that it looks like. Once thing I have learned in my previous game is that obvious scum players are usually town (Kush being an exception of this rule^^). We could all agree that ON looks bad, like very very bad. Casting last minute panic votes (on me on top of that) after zero posts and not even properly explaining his motives is scummy as hell. But thinking about it, I cannot imagine any mafia player being this obvious. So I want to give him a second chance for today and see if he can make it up before the deadline. HiroPro hasn't posting that much and I didn't like his post encouraging people to share their thoughts and plans about the lynch mechanics. Right now, I would vote him over ON but I don't want to spend more than 3 votes on this (I didn't keep my 10 votes like, let's say, Hopeless). Prediction: ON advaces against my will to the Round 4 5-3Sandroba/KushRegarding this entertaining MU, I'd like to state first that I know Kush meta for having read some newbie games but I don't know at all Sandroba. Kush is going to look scummy whatever his alignment. Given his low aggressive level in this game, I would opt for a scummy town Kush. But he has been clustering the thread a lot and I know that it could be his strategy as a scummy scum Kush. So null read for me atm. As he is difficult to read, Kush could become a liability for us in the endgame regardless of his alignment but he could give us good insight if he is town. Anyway, I wouldn't mind him to be more pressured because he slipped very quickly last game. Sandroba is also a null read atm. I would like him to post more before and I would not hesitate to vote him rather than Kush if it looks scummy. Prediction: Kush advances to the Ro4 5-4 (not planning to vote on this MU at the moment) Djodref/EchelonTeePlease feel free to ask me some precisions about my motives and posts^^ I have just skimmed through his filter because I cannot pressure him with my votes this round. If you don't mind, I'm going to concentrate on other player's filters and let you decide which one of us is advancing. Nevertheless, I've noticed 2-3 things of interest: - his "scumslip" is not a scumslip
- he did handle the conversation about the lynch mechanics very well (I mean that he was arguing interesting points without encouraging everybody to share his views)
- he doesn't want to vote in the voting thread for formatting reasons, I don't see any town motivation for this
I don't want to predict anything for this MU  Votes coming soon, hoping for a quick feedback before going to bed... I'm voting for Djodref over ET. Partly because I'm getting a town read on ET (the thoughts that he's sharing seem good and I liked the way he reacted to Mementoss's accusation). But also because of the way that he's posting: his posts seem manufactured to me. Especially the one above where he seems to be calling predictions for each matchup needlessly - it's not something that I see a townie really being interested in, but it is something that I think a new mafia player would consider a "contribution" and include just for the sake of making a bigger post. Djodref x1 On October 13 2012 04:26 HiroPro wrote: We're not lynching hopeless. His plan looks silly but it looks like a townie plan - bring attention onto yourself needlessly (not something scum would do) and try to make some attempt at advancing discussion.
Djodref's case on Hopeless honestly isn't very good. Except for the part about not scumhunting, he doesn't explain why any of those things are more likely to be done by scum and the whole thing about the kush/prplhz voting honestly looks like a complete misread. Not sure if town djodref would make a case like this, I'll need to read through his earlier game.
OriginalName x2
On October 13 2012 04:59 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 04:52 prplhz wrote:On October 13 2012 04:49 HiroPro wrote:On October 13 2012 04:44 prplhz wrote:On October 13 2012 04:26 HiroPro wrote: We're not lynching hopeless. His plan looks silly but it looks like a townie plan - bring attention onto yourself needlessly (not something scum would do) and try to make some attempt at advancing discussion.
Djodref's case on Hopeless honestly isn't very good. Except for the part about not scumhunting, he doesn't explain why any of those things are more likely to be done by scum and the whole thing about the kush/prplhz voting honestly looks like a complete misread. Not sure if town djodref would make a case like this, I'll need to read through his earlier game.
OriginalName x2
Do you want to lynch OriginalName today? yea Why don't you want to lynch sandroba? I mean there's absolutely nothing in your filter about him even though he's quite a hot topic. Because lynching sandroba on d1 is dumb. And he's done nothing to make me think he's scum. On October 13 2012 05:01 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2012 05:00 prplhz wrote:On October 13 2012 04:59 HiroPro wrote:On October 13 2012 04:52 prplhz wrote:On October 13 2012 04:49 HiroPro wrote:On October 13 2012 04:44 prplhz wrote:On October 13 2012 04:26 HiroPro wrote: We're not lynching hopeless. His plan looks silly but it looks like a townie plan - bring attention onto yourself needlessly (not something scum would do) and try to make some attempt at advancing discussion.
Djodref's case on Hopeless honestly isn't very good. Except for the part about not scumhunting, he doesn't explain why any of those things are more likely to be done by scum and the whole thing about the kush/prplhz voting honestly looks like a complete misread. Not sure if town djodref would make a case like this, I'll need to read through his earlier game.
OriginalName x2
Do you want to lynch OriginalName today? yea Why don't you want to lynch sandroba? I mean there's absolutely nothing in your filter about him even though he's quite a hot topic. Because lynching sandroba on d1 is dumb. And he's done nothing to make me think he's scum. What has OriginalName done to make you think he's scum? Nothing. But I think hopeless is probably town. And ON is basically useless. On October 14 2012 09:52 HiroPro wrote: im here.
We should lynch ON. I can see sandroba getting frustrated like that as town and I honestly don't think the other stuff that people are bringing up is all that great. From what I've seen sandroba is a pretty temperamental guy and not someone prone to explaining stuff when he doesn't feel like it.
And when you have someone who is not posting at all it's better to kill them over someone who can absolutely be useful if they're town.
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Alright. I have seen reasons from kush, hopeless1der, and djodref as to why mementoss is town. You guys are all wrong. I'll get to that. Here are a couple introductory points:
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On October 13 2012 16:00 sandroba wrote: I'm not going to fight against this lynch. This is simply too stupid to fight over and I don't feel like it. If you people stopped one second to look at this thread you would come to realise that is simply no way I'm scum purely based on how this situation came to be. Also there is no case against me. I refuse to defend myself against the ignorant uninformed opinion of a bunch of riotters. This is no way to play mafia. You have to look at the intricacies and not follow the mob rule that is usually driven by scum. I leave you sheep to your fate.
My reads so far is that ET austin hiro and kush are town. I honestly don't know anymore about ON cuz I would expect him to try to at least keep apearances as scum. This djodref is either very dumb or scum. You would never as town (and inteligent) feel that a person that is standing up to you against the majority trying to lynch would be scum. Prpl and mementos are prob scum. Sandroba said nothing about mementoss beyond this point.
In response to me asking what his top two scum reads were if prplhz was town, ET wrote:
On October 16 2012 06:18 EchelonTee wrote:da0ud mmt Show nested quote +On October 14 2012 12:54 EchelonTee wrote:On October 13 2012 23:57 Mementoss wrote:On October 13 2012 23:21 austinmcc wrote:On October 13 2012 22:52 Mementoss wrote: prp: 8 Remain ON: 8 Remain da0: 9 Remain Austin: 9 Remain
This^^ this right here is horseshit. Apathetic voting up towards the last round is unacceptable. I think everyone should only be using 5 of there votes 3 of these players alone trump the rest of the players in the game. Sandroba doesn't even have anyvotes to defend himself while ON has 9.
Actually, everyone should only be using 1 vote, and we can get some sort of real full out majority going where everyone is involved. For the people with 0 votes left.
##Mementoss vote "Player Name" and I will use one of my votes towards giving you a voice in this lynch. I have a feeling scum has WAY too much control right now. But there is a possibility its too late anyways, this method should give more information to where people are at in their thought process.
Why is apathetic voting horseshit? Is horseshit just horseshit, or do you find it to come from a town or scum horse? Why should everyone only be using one vote? Why are you giving out votes to anyone with 0 votes left? I had planned to give away either blocks of 3 or blocks of 4 votes to people I strongly feel are town, but not to ANYONE, and not based on the number of votes they have left. How is having no votes a good criteria for who you want to give more control over the lynch to, instead of using a criteria like your townreads? what how much info are we gunna get when half the people cant vote on the lynch, and the other half have no say in the final decision. The lynch is left up to those 4 players, and since one of them is in the hot seat. He can use 9 votes to save himself. I guess playing as passive as you and not putting any reads on anyone to too late so you don't have to vote and can sheep and holding all your votes is your strategy. I guess thats cool >_>. This is such a strange post. You are presenting the lack of votes used as bad, but you don't go so far to say it is scummy. So therefore you spending a significant time talking about something that isn't meant to find scum. First strange part. Second strange part is that you are saying that austin is playing very passive and not putting any reads on people, where his filter shows him sharing thoughts quite easily. It doesn't matter that austin's filter is 10 pages long with 1000 word posts; it's a mispresentation to present him like this. However, misrepresentation isn't alone bad; people make mistakes. Exhibit A is myself and kush having a cock fight for no reason. The difference is in the confidence and tone displayed. Kush had (or has) a strong feeling that I was scum and fought me directly, making strong moves stating that he thought I was scum. On the other hand, in this post Mementoss seems extremely floating because he tries to discredit austin and make him seem scummy, while not ever saying that directly. It's very non-confrontational, which is strange compared to his early play.
On October 16 2012 06:22 EchelonTee wrote: I might lean more scummy on mmt as of late since da0ud could just be noobie, but I don't really think prplhz/mmt would try and defend each other so hard? It's possible though. ET said nothing about mementoss after this point. Moreover, the main reason he appears unsure of mementoss is that prplhz/mmt mafia team wouldn't be defending each other so hard. prplhz flipped town, that reason is out the window.
So, point 1 is that both NKs have stated that they believed mementoss to be scummy, under the flips we've had (ET had him scummy if prplhz flipped town, which happened). They shared that read.
Moreover, this partially explains why I'm not dead, if you think I should have died last night. I have come out with strong suspicions of mementoss. Both of them mentioned him as scummy, but sandroba didn't go into detail and ET didn't really update that read after prplhz flipped. They are great players to take out if mementoss is scum, because when you look over their filters, you don't get a clear "This NKed person found mementoss scummy" train of thought. If I die, the strongest read I've had is mementoss, and so he's much more in the spotlight.
(2) mementoss is a solid player from what I've seen. He played quite well in Aperture, we needed to take him out N1 as scum.
In this game, IF mementoss were town, I would expect scum to go "Sandroba scummy on mementoss" and "ET scummy on mementoss" and "Austin and da0ud wrote cases on mementoss" and try to push mementoss. If mementoss were town, someone would be sheeping me, because getting a lynch on a strong townie as scum is great, it saves you a NK. Instead, we're arguing over whether to lynch da0ud? me? Again, IF mementoss were town this game, there's a real nice avenue for scum to push for his lynch. They haven't done so. ET and Sandroba both NKed, ET and Sandroba both scummy on this guy, yet scum isn't using that to push a mislynch. mementoss slightly less likely to be town based on that.
This concludes the NK/dead folks' reads portion of crap I'm going to say right now.
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Also the first quote in that spoiler that quotes kush makes kush look horribly bad.
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