Looney Lynching Mini Mafia - Page 67

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

October 17 2012 18:59 GMT

#1321

But what still doesn't make sense about is that I can't justify to myself ever being willing to share any of my votes... but there was a TON of hesitation about sandroba vs ON so I can see you taking that risk with your votes.

Austin I decided to work out what my new list would be, in a hypothetical scenario where I decide you're town. It comes out looking like this:

1 mementoss
2 Djodref
3 hiro
4 da0ud
5 austin
6 kushm4sta
7 hopeless1der
8 thrawn

That would be my new list of most scum to most town. Mementoss gets the first place because your case against him is very convincing. I'll have to go through his filter again myself but every time you've made a memtoss case I've found it convincing. Of course that list would have to be adjusted based on what everyone else is doing, because we are in fact listing our top choices for lynch instead of our top scumreads. But anyways what do you think about djodref? I think that if you're town, then the remaining scum are probably within mem, djo, hiro. Da0 is a guy like kush said, I don't have strong convictions about. My gut read tells me that his scumhunting has extremely newbie townie traits but on the other hand I don't want to ignore the reads of ET and sand.

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 17 2012 18:59 GMT

#1322

@austin before you go put your list in the thread please.

No one has any idea of your opinions basically other than me being scum

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

October 17 2012 18:59 GMT

#1323

above post was me talking to austin

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 17 2012 19:04 GMT

#1324

On October 18 2012 03:59 Mementoss wrote:
@austin before you go put your list in the thread please.

No one has any idea of your opinions basically other than me being scum

That is untrue. I have opinions on da0ud and hopeless1der at least that are clear, I think i've been clear with my thoughts on HiroPro as well.

I will do some listing, but ... the list is stupid. We need to lynch 1 scum. We win the game when we lynch scum, and we get NOTHING for putting everyone in order of towniest to scummiest.

Look at what listing did earlier today, people are changing their lists, getting called out for changing lists, blah blah blah. The lists and how they change are easy pickings for the thread to get full of crap.

Thrawn, I need to finish something up quick for work and then I'll post on djodref.

kitaman27

United States9244 Posts

October 17 2012 19:06 GMT

#1325

HiroPro has been replaced by VisceraEyes

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

October 17 2012 19:10 GMT

#1326

hi VE

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 17 2012 19:20 GMT

#1327

On October 18 2012 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:
HiroPro has been replaced by VisceraEyes

im still mad at you

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 17 2012 19:25 GMT

#1328

VE's first post is gunna be a claim of some sort.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 17 2012 19:25 GMT

#1329

inb4 VE confirms all my scumreads because they are so right

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 17 2012 19:26 GMT

#1330

On October 18 2012 04:04 austinmcc wrote:

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Thrawn, I need to finish something up quick for work and then I'll post on djodref.

No we need to lynch 2 scum

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 17 2012 19:27 GMT

#1331

Also I feel like thrawn and djoref have been getting mainly ignored. (with the exception of kush) Once I get through this shit storm that is figuring out austin, that will be my next stop if I have time.

kushm4sta

United States8878 Posts

October 17 2012 19:28 GMT

#1332

@austin yeah I think the listing is stupid. I'm not sure if it's more pro town to go with the list or do majority vote and force everyone to conform, but I do know it's not pro town to waste time discussing it.
Something I like about the list, kind of, is it forces people like thrawn to actually share who they think is scum.

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 17 2012 19:30 GMT

#1333

On October 18 2012 03:59 thrawn2112 wrote:
But what still doesn't make sense about is that I can't justify to myself ever being willing to share any of my votes... but there was a TON of hesitation about sandroba vs ON so I can see you taking that risk with your votes.

Austin I decided to work out what my new list would be, in a hypothetical scenario where I decide you're town. It comes out looking like this:

1 mementoss
2 Djodref
3 hiro
4 da0ud
5 austin
6 kushm4sta
7 hopeless1der
8 thrawn

That would be my new list of most scum to most town. Mementoss gets the first place because your case against him is very convincing. I'll have to go through his filter again myself but every time you've made a memtoss case I've found it convincing. Of course that list would have to be adjusted based on what everyone else is doing, because we are in fact listing our top choices for lynch instead of our top scumreads. But anyways what do you think about djodref? I think that if you're town, then the remaining scum are probably within mem, djo, hiro. Da0 is a guy like kush said, I don't have strong convictions about. My gut read tells me that his scumhunting has extremely newbie townie traits but on the other hand I don't want to ignore the reads of ET and sand.

This post rubs me the complete wrong way by the way. Its basically saying if austin is town I think mementoss is scum. Which doesn't make any fucking sense. It's like thrawn is trying to buddy up and being on both sides of arguably 2 louder people in the game.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

October 17 2012 19:34 GMT

#1334

how does it not make sense? if one of the people who i've been mostly suspicious of (austin) is making a case against you.... do you not see how that would make me change my mind about his cases if I decide he's town?

if you want to call me scum go for it but please do me the courtesy of saying more than it "rubs you the wrong way"

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

October 17 2012 19:38 GMT

#1335

Djodref

His D1 stuff on Hopeless1der and ON is kind of wonky.

He wants ON to go through R2 against hiro, but Hopeless1der is Djodref's top scumread so he wants Hopeless1der to go through to R4 in the Hopeless/ON bracket.

On October 12 2012 11:33 Djodref wrote:
@Hopeless

You are my top scumread at the moment so I want to go full force against you. As I might no be able to vote on the last round, I don't mind to spend all my votes on you this round. I'll come up with a case against within 10 hours.

ON is a scummy lurker but, in my opinion, he is more lurky than scummy. And you are still scummier than him

However, his only previous comments on them don't exactly give me the feeling that hopeless is numbah wan scum:+ Show Spoiler +

On October 12 2012 00:38 Djodref wrote:
Day 1 Round 2 Preview

Hopeless/Thrawn

It's kind of night and day.
Thrawn is active in the thread, gives good contributions and points out what is weird in other players posts. So far I have a slight town read on him. I would expect very good reasons for anyone wanting him to advance.
Hopeless on the opposite has almost contributed nothing. He also seems strangely obsessed with people being around at deadline or not. Which is even stranger when you consider that it seems ok for him to unvote everything without warning just before the deadline. I'll develop later on Hopeless, hopefully with some insight from his side, but I would go as far as saying that he is my top scumread at the moment.

Prediction: Hopeless advances to the Ro4 3-0

On October 12 2012 00:52 Djodref wrote:
@Hopeless

You are saying that crazy things happen during the few hours before the deadline yet you have removed your votes at the end of the round one. I find it paradoxal because, in my opinion, the way you can protect ourselves from crazy things to happen is too stick with our votes. Unvoting at last minute is giving more opportunity for MUs to be won be the dark horse. Last round, OriginalName could have reversed some MUs because you gave him room to do it.

I can see town and mafia motivations for keeping 10 votes so I'll pass you that.
I can see town and mafia motivations for knowing the schedule of the player so I'll pass you that.

But I don't like the way you unvoted at all and I don't explain myself the aforementioned paradox.
Could you please explain yourself?

And last but not least, we don't have any trace of your voting intentions in the recap at the end of the round. It really looks like you don't want to play cards on the table.

On October 12 2012 10:56 Djodref wrote:
Just a quick post about the people who are going to advance:

ON hasn't reappeared and still hasn't given any good explanation for voting me. He deserves to advance over Hiro. No need for me to cast more votes on him.
I'm very happy that Hopeless is going to advance. This MU don't need more votes.

It's not scummy in and of itself...but given that the hopeless/ON matchup is something I want to keep at the front of my head, the fact that it doesn't quite seem like hopeless, based on those comments, would be a #1 scumread, gives a bad vibe. However, he drops a case 7 hours later explaining himself a little further.

His reaction to an ON/Sandroba finals, and Hopeless being saved + not voting Djodref is...odd? + Show Spoiler +

On October 13 2012 12:53 Djodref wrote:
Morning everybody !

I'm just waking up and I have a serious hangover right now.

Reading the thread has made my head exploding even more...

I didn't expect this at all. I was thinking that Hopeless was going to OMGus vote me and that I would end up in the final (that was another reason for me to spend all my votes at this time but I didn't want to say it at that time).

@Hopeless

Why are you doing this to me ? I'm going to lose my sanity sailing the dark seas of the WIFOM again...
Seriously, if you are town, you are just confusing everybody with your "plan"

I need more time to process everything. I'll be around for a while and I'll give my thoughts about today's lynch and hopefully more.

On October 13 2012 15:09 Djodref wrote:
First of all, I'm disappointed that Hopeless did not advance to the final. Right now, I would like him to be lynched, at least for the confusion he is putting me through. Unfortunately, this is not going to happen today...

I want him to flip so I definitively know if he is town or scum because it is going to bother me for a while. Last game I've been through a lot of WIFOM shit (thank you Kush by the way) and the result was me tunneling the town MVP for almost all game. I don't want this to happen again and I'll try to look for other players for a while. Hopeless explanations make me seriously doubting on my case against him (plus I've said myself that obvious scum is usually town, it might apply here again) but I cannot see him as town yet. Hopeless, I got my eyes on you <3 !

But whatever. So far that's just weird stuff, not quite scummy. His later explanation is again WEIRD but not SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler +

On October 15 2012 12:04 Djodref wrote:
Ok, I've just caught up with the thread now.

First of all, I would like to address your concerns regarding my votes again Hopeless at round 3, when ON was facing him. I understand that they put me at a bad position right now. At the time when I've have dumped all my votes on him, I was pretty sure he was a mafia player. In my eyes, he was the scummiest but we didn't know yet that he was playing that way on purpose (regardless of his possible alignment).
As I explained earlier, I was expecting him to dump all his 9 votes on me in response (in a total mafia OMGUS way) so I believed the chances were very high to have a Hopeless/Djodref final. I thought the mafia would take this final because I don't look so good and it's easier to push a mislynch on a newbie. I was all-in and I wanted Hopeless to be lynched even if it was by risking me to be in the final.

So I went out quite satisfied with my move but when I finally emerged from my drunken sleep, I was very surprised to read Hopeless answer to my case. I would have expect anything but him giving me a town read. I've spent a lot of time thinking why a scum Hopeless would do that. Before going totally nuts, I've decided to stop WIFOMing myself and to reserve my judgement for later.

I'm at work right now and I don't have time to elaborate so much but I would prefer prplhz to explode with the Hot Potatoe today. I was already suspicious of prplhz before all the Sandroba vote thing but it strongly confirms it.

I'm not totally sold on Daoud yet. I've had a newb townie read on him until R3. His defense is very bad but he has been consistent with his read on Sandroba. Also I don't see his last scummate (prplhz?) let him post or vote like he did.

Like ... that's my D1 read on him. He started off scummy to me because of...him accusing hiropro and someone else. I wrote about it, I voted him in the R1 matchup, etc. But all this stuff was just kind of odd.

When I look his filter over, I notice...a lot of nothing? He talks a lot about hopeless, a lot about da0ud, and when he needs to have a scumread he has one. He'll explain scumreads somewhat, but he doesn't feel all that ENGAGED in scumhunting. Prplhz might be scum for this, hiropro might be scum for this, done. Back to just commenting on things, never really PUSHING. Back to giving advice to da0ud, not PUSHING his scumreads. But he does return to them, give more thoughts on why prplhz is scum, give thoughts on hiro/mementoss not posting enough, discuss how he reads ET and I, blah blah blah.

There's almost a dichotomy in his filter. There are big posts with reads, and he spells out more or less why he has them. Then there are some one-liner-y answers to people, questions to people, etc. When I make that comment, I pause, because I feel like that's something that SHOULD be scummy. It should say "This guy isn't scumhunting, he just makes a reads post once in a while, and him making reads is a different style of post than the rest of his posting --> i.e. he's playing the game in some posts, and posting reads in others." But it doesn't. I have a gut read on that as town and I don't really know why.

Overall...I'm mildly townie on him. Gut read. I don't know why I dropped the scumread on his first post, exactly. I don't know why I'm not reading what feels like two different djodrefs (the guy who is usually posting and the guy who is giving out reads) as not scummy. But I'm not. I don't know why I'm not reading the votes on hopeless in R3 as not super scummy, because out of all the voting stuff D1, the matchup that most likely dropped scum in our laps is that hopeless/ON matchup (Note: Again, mementoss said he'd put votes on hopeless, but wasn't going to because hopeless was winning).

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 17 2012 19:40 GMT

#1336

On October 18 2012 04:34 thrawn2112 wrote:
how does it not make sense? if one of the people who i've been mostly suspicious of (austin) is making a case against you.... do you not see how that would make me change my mind about his cases if I decide he's town?

if you want to call me scum go for it but please do me the courtesy of saying more than it "rubs you the wrong way"

It rubs me the wrong way because being town does not make cases right, it makes it sound like you eliminating the possibility that both me and austin are town. It gives you an out to switch to me, if austin flips town or the other way around. I just don't see the point of posting that hypothetical, its based on way too much connections. Anyways I have no idea if you are scum, because I haven't been through your filter lately. Now I have to deal with this austin stuff to try to somehow figure out his alignment.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

October 17 2012 19:44 GMT

#1337

well that list was mainly for the benefit of furthering my read on austin

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

October 17 2012 19:45 GMT

#1338

alright i'm going to sleep i'll bbl

Mementoss

Canada2595 Posts

October 17 2012 19:58 GMT

#1339

Alright, fuck it. Austins case on my and tunnelling could be either way.

1) He could be tunnelling me so hard as town because he really thinks I'm scum. Its not scum to be wrong. Alot of his points in his case are good. A lot of points in his case are bad. (NK speculation and dangerous townie espeically forced)

2) He could be using this over aggressiveness as a way to defend himself as scum. But why? Why would he go about it this way? Why would he spend all that time and effort to make a third case about me? Is my mis-lynch THAT important to him as scum? Does this make sense?
-> My mis-lynch would bring negative attention back to austin the next day, espeically being high on everyones list, and the fact people already brought up some WIFOM shit y r u not dead yet?
-> Wouldn't it be easier for scum austin to go with the flow with the rest of the town and withdraw his read on me and consider me town post hopeless post along with most people. Espeically someone he considers a "dangerous townie".
-> He couldn't push da0d the easiest target because of his defense on him all game, but there are definetly easier targets, aka "Hiropro" pre replacement.
-> His case, it seems far far far too agressive for scum austin. Compare his case on me this game to his case against me in aperature which he was scum:

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On October 03 2012 03:45 austinmcc wrote:
Concerning Mementoss Gonzaw, he and keirathi are sort of right up there with each other for the people I'm considering for active scum.

It's a couple little things:

(1) His comments on me feel slightly forced

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I can't see what Drazerk is saying. I think the game is getting off to a good start. I don't explain why the unvote isn't scummy well enough for mementoss's liking. I lack logic. I am trying to make Drazerk look bad.

I addres some of those points here:

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See GSL Open II for slow start, which I'd just been killed in. See Drazerk's vote for an option that Keirathi was an "idiot," yet he never really addressed why he was dismissing that option and finding Keirathi to be third party. At least not that I've seen.

Note also that in this post I say I didn't find Keirathi's conduct scummy. I say this. I didn't find Keirathi's early play scummy.

(2)

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By the time mementoss posts this, I was finding Keirathi scummy because of the EXPLANATION that he was giving for his mattchew vote/unvote:+ Show Spoiler +

I look further into Keirathi

On October 01 2012 03:18 austinmcc wrote:
Keirathi, I'm a little troubled by this when I look back through your explanation:

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When you unvote, you specifically note that you want real, meaningful opinions that people can be held accountable for. So you're interested in getting discussion going in general.

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This seems to not match up. If you wanted people to give opinions, how was your goal accomplished when only Mattchew responded?

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Now you seem to be responding to Drazerk that you were only concerned with Mattchew and not other people's opinions. The initial justification says you wanted opinions, now you don't even want them.

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Back to wanting discussion.

Why the two inconsistent explanations? You may think this has been covered ad nauseum, but some of your explanations aren't really matching up.

On October 01 2012 05:03 austinmcc wrote:

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There's just a little disconnect there between wanting discussion and being happy to discuss Mattchew with others and then "why do I need someone else's opinion on my case." Like...if your case was meant as a tool to get discussion, then it doesn't matter much what mattchew says or how he responds, because your primary concern is discussion and not his alignment. His response gives you a starting point for MORE discussion, asking people how they feel about his response, etc.

Scummy motivation? Just look at your explanation, that you wanted to stop setup speculation and move into something else, generate discussion, because it would help town. RAWR, i am keirathi, the hero who saved town from a slow game, scum would never do that, feed me your town cred!

Ymmv, but I'm pretty clearly focused on Keirathi's explanations for the entire thing, not the ease at which he unvoted, which is what I was initially defending/not finding scummy:

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I'm not concerned with the vote/unvote in the posts that have happened between mementoss's case and this, I'm concerned with Keirathi's explanation for the whole Mattchew shebang, that he wanted opinions yet stopped before he got them, and then stated he didn't need anyone else's opinion.

So I don't get mementoss's post:

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we may just disagree that I completely switched stances. Which is fine. I said I didn't find Keirathi's early play scummy. After looking at his explanation further, I did. I'm probably splitting hairs in trying to separate the vote/unvote from the explanation, but that's because I still don't find the vote/unvote with ease scummy, but I DO find the explanation scummy. They point in different ways for me.

But the bolded part here gets stuck in my head. I don't see any post concerning me "flip flopping." I don't see a comment in his initial vote on me about that. I don't see a comment at any point while I'm going back and forth with Keirathi about me flip flopping. This is the first time I see it, and I have no idea what it's referencing. This is ODD. It gives off scummy vibes, because it indicates that mementoss misremembers what he was calling me out for (not focused on actually calling me out, more focused on just making a case), or, the more paranoid option, that this is part of some planned attack and there's a post that should have come, calling me a flip-flopper, but never did. Neither option gives me a townie feeling.

(3) Then he's got this post as well:

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That post does read weird, because he's reading it seriously. Like I said to keirathi, + Show Spoiler +

On October 02 2012 04:12 austinmcc wrote:

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Found Mattchew's question to be real but posed in a silly way (What is your read on iamperfection?). Gave him a real answer, but started with a silly beginning.

On October 02 2012 04:34 austinmcc wrote:

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Oh, no. It was meant as a silly response and vote, not that I'm finding him more scummy than the others. That question isn't "Why am I voting iamperfection? Let me tell you!" It was "Why am I joining you in voting for iamperfection when these other two look almost the same?" Not actually hopping on the wagon.

Mattchew's question looked silly. I gave a silly answer. I am sometimes silly in thread. But mementoss pulls this up later:

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Read my vote/unvote. I'm not sheeping onto iamperfection because Mattchew asks me to. I vote him as a JOKE, unvote him, and then ask why I should be lynching iamperfection over ghost/nisani, and why I find the three to be similar. I do not know how this is interpreted as me jumping on a wagon. If I were jumping on a wagon, I wouldn't unvote and ask why I was lynching one instead of the other two. I was joking and then seriously asking mattchew why he was on iamperfection over others.

Again, it's this weird disconnect where mementoss doesn't quite seem to be reading my responses. Or he just dislikes my responses but never really voices that when they come out. I misread him in Rock Band as scum when he was town, and I'm not getting as strong a scum read here, but flip flop posts that don't actually exist, not really reading my posts but continuing to just poke at me don't result in a townie feel.

This quip stuck out to me as well, just as very interesting:

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(Mementoss, why is Gonzaw the N1 kill? I'd like to see your reasoning behind this statement)

Beyond that, I agree with all three of these:

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I remember him being around a good bit, I remember some posts of his, but I'm not sure that I would if he didn't attack me. He kind of blended in, and there were some major points (Mattchew trying to drum up iamperfection lynch, the JH discussion, the ghost/keirathi bit at the end) where he's just not seeming concerned. But yet he didn't move off of iamperfection, and attacked him early, and also responded to keirathi about iamperfection's meta.

A lot of his posts on me just confuse me. They don't give me a townie vibe, but he's picking up on things that I would probably pick up on as well. The joke-vote looks really odd when it's just text and I didn't put a disclaimer as to what I was doing. But it feels like he's detached from actually pushing me, just like he was detached from pushing iamperfection. And that "flip-flopping" comment...I can't figure out where that comes from. Am I being overly paranoid thinking there was some sequence of posts he thought he'd made?

I'm still more sold on Keirathi as the active scum. But mementoss is my secondary candidate, and if I'm being purely speculative, one of the people I could most see being third party. It's the only way I can really rectify my read based on his general play AND the fact that he voted for scum. So I want to keep an eye on him even though he voted iamperfection.

-> Read austin in the QT of that game, he was careful, calculated. Hell he was conservative. Reading the QT the mentality of his tunneling against me, it feels different. Did he do this on purpose as scum? Risky as fuck, espeically being a man down already. Also the way harder route.

IRC:

On October 12 2012 08:56 HiroPro wrote:
Aperture IRC Logs:

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[14:38] <austinmcc> test test
01[14:41] <@HiroPro> sup
[14:42] <austinmcc> not much, responding to keirathi i guess
[14:43] <austinmcc> don't terribly want to drop a vote on him right now, i usually vote pretty late, but I think his explanation has holes to poke at
01[14:43] <@HiroPro> yea
[14:43] <austinmcc> everything so different from this alignment
01[14:43] <@HiroPro> but it's like really nitpicking
[14:43] <austinmcc> it is, but i've actually done it before
[14:44] <austinmcc> i caught talismania in a game where he suggested some plan to get everyone active and then fumbled with the reasons he wanted to do that
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> eh do what you think is right for you I guess
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> s&b man
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> that guy could be third party
01[14:44] <@HiroPro> gonzaw looks kinda weird also
[14:45] <austinmcc> snb was REALLY inactive in GSL 2
[14:45] <austinmcc> was travelling or something, i'm unsure how active he is
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> yea, but like drazerk's point is valid
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> s&b has played so many games with drazerk
[14:45] <austinmcc> yeah
01[14:45] <@HiroPro> he knows by now that draz will hunt for third parties
[14:45] <austinmcc> bah, drazerk doesn't hunt for third parties, drazerk hunts for HIMSELF. Always rolling third party
01[14:46] <@HiroPro> lol true
[14:46] <austinmcc> it seems like we've got too much KP for a third party
[14:46] <austinmcc> actually, i have nothing to base that on
01[14:46] <@HiroPro> nah i don't think so. everyone in town will have a role
[14:47] <austinmcc> gonzaw said he was busy for a few days, snb may be busy, got a couple lurkers
[14:47] <austinmcc> trying to think who poses the biggest threat
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> "Hiro goes on my town list because no anti-town faction would be dumb enough to say that.
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> "
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> rofl
01[14:47] <@HiroPro> i feel good
[14:47] <austinmcc> haha
[14:48] <austinmcc> i haven't played with town drazerk in a real game i don't think
[14:48] <austinmcc> nor with nisani
[14:48] <austinmcc> nor much with ghost
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> i played with town draz in bastard 2
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> nisani was town also in that game, ghost 3rd party
01[14:48] <@HiroPro> might want to check it out if you have time since it's a very heavy themed game also
[14:48] <austinmcc> okay, I'll reread that over the week
[14:49] <austinmcc> i read it as it was played, but i'll refresh
[14:50] <austinmcc> Dunno if Jingle will be tunnely this game or will try to help out
01[14:50] <@HiroPro> well i'm not too familiar with him, but if ptp3 is anything to go by, he's not a threat at all
[14:51] <austinmcc> yeah. That can't be his normal play though
[14:51] <austinmcc> he's been in a few newbies, and I think he was standoffish in a couple but not all
01[14:51] <@HiroPro> i remember someone coming into the ban list thread to complain about him while the game was ongoing
01[14:51] <@HiroPro> might have been shady
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> if gonzaw has time he can be dangerous
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> no one will listen to him, but draz picks up on things
01[14:52] <@HiroPro> ghost and s&b can be decent
01[14:53] <@HiroPro> mementoss too i guess
1[14:54] <@HiroPro> matt is really up and down, dunno what he's going to be like this game
[14:54] <austinmcc> yeah, i was remembering shady and jingle sniping at each other in the one game
[14:54] <austinmcc> hmmm
[14:54] <austinmcc> i agree on gonzaw
[14:54] <austinmcc> i guess we see how this game feels, but he's someone to take out before he can spam
[14:54] <austinmcc> although he also seems to get off track sometime and just clog up thread
01[14:54] <@HiroPro> thing is right now the game is kinda dead
[14:54] <austinmcc> if snb's super inactive i'm not overly worried about him
01[14:55] <@HiroPro> gonzaw is a good guy to correct that
[14:55] <austinmcc> yeah
[15:46] <austinmcc> ooooh
[15:46] <austinmcc> looks like we might get PTP3 JingleHell
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[15:47] <iamperfection> sup
[15:49] <austinmcc> nothing, just scummin' it up
[15:50] <iamperfection> what you think of my role seems like nerve gas will be the most usefull
01[16:25] <@HiroPro> ok i think i'll goad gonzaw into jumping on JIngle again
01[16:25] <@HiroPro> if he does that, the thread will turn into crap
01[16:26] <@HiroPro> perfection your role, uh, nerve gas is useful yeah, if we think we have a vig definetely use the 500 watt button and also stack it with austin's ability
01[16:26] <@HiroPro> that way they'll likely die instantly
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> what the hell lol
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> jinglehell actually dropped that just on 1 statement I made?
01[16:44] <@HiroPro> hrm
01[16:45] <@HiroPro> and i didn't even provide any quotes or games ol

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[21:11] <austinmcc> check check 1 2
[21:11] <austinmcc> i don't have very long, but i can hop in here for a bit
01[21:12] <@HiroPro> hey
01[21:13] <@HiroPro> wait so what exactly where you trying to say with the mattchew thing?
01[21:13] <@HiroPro> i didn't really get it
[21:13] <austinmcc> yeah yeah, it came out wrong
[21:13] <austinmcc> ugh
[21:13] <austinmcc> even in QT i misspeak sometimes
[21:13] <austinmcc> so
[21:13] <austinmcc> my role has an anti-bus driving property
[21:13] <austinmcc> if i hit a bussed player, BOTH bussed players get shot
[21:13] <austinmcc> so we know there's a bus driver somewhere
[21:14] <austinmcc> if we think it's just bus driver and not other protective roles, and that a bus driver would bus mattchew to protect him
[21:14] <austinmcc> then me shooting mattchew makes the most sense
[21:14] <austinmcc> hit 2 targets
[21:14] <austinmcc> but i think that we can't rely on no protective roles
[21:14] <austinmcc> and we can't rely on a protective mattchew bus
01[21:15] <@HiroPro> hm, so what exactly do you want to do?
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up
[21:19] <austinmcc> sorry, trying to also get back into another game, was so focused on this game today
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave gonzaw up tonight
[21:19] <austinmcc> i think we can leave mattchew up tonight
[21:20] <austinmcc> i'm down with a memntoss kill\
[21:20] <austinmcc> killing Crossfire is a waste. snb is a waste (but could be fun for sheer oddness). JH is a waste. Nisani is a waste. That's 6 people entirely out if you count us out
01[21:20] <@HiroPro> drazerk is pointless.
[21:20] <austinmcc> leaves ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, drazerk, keirathi, mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> i agree with drazerk, and there are some suspicions on him as well
[21:21] <austinmcc> so ghost, mattchew, gonzaw, keirathi, mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> i don't think we should shoot ghost
[21:21] <austinmcc> or gonzaw or matt
[21:21] <austinmcc> i kind of come down to keirathi or mementoss
[21:21] <austinmcc> for the actual factional KP
01[21:21] <@HiroPro> definetely prefer shooting mementoss
01[21:22] <@HiroPro> keirathi has actual suspicion on him and is kind of zoned in on nisani
[21:22] <austinmcc> agree as well
[21:22] <austinmcc> we're all good on factional then. And I don't think mementoss seems like a good protect target or anything tonight
[21:23] <austinmcc> as for my shot, i've never actually been lynched, so I think I can avoid it
[21:23] <austinmcc> at least for tomorrow
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> ok we need that
[21:23] <austinmcc> so we need someone we want to kill next night
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> the burn then right
[21:23] <austinmcc> i don't think we can possibly aim at someone being bussed
[21:23] <austinmcc> it's just a .5 KP shot
[21:23] <austinmcc> so i can fire 2x on one guy
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> no but it's free right?
01[21:23] <@HiroPro> you can use it twice in one night?
[21:24] <austinmcc> ach night you may target a player and fire .5 silent kp at them (target will not be notified they were hit or protected from a hit). If the target is bussed with another player, both players will take the .5 kp because portals don't care about bullets.
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yea you can't save that shot
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> you need to fire 0.5 each night
[21:24] <austinmcc> yeah, but it won't kill until tomorrow
[21:24] <austinmcc> so we've got to slightly think ahead
[21:24] <austinmcc> i could want mattchew or gonzaw gone after 2 days maybe
01[21:24] <@HiroPro> yes
[21:24] <austinmcc> i'm also slightly worried about some of the oblivious town players
01[21:25] <@HiroPro> well i think i can manipulate gonzaw
[21:25] <austinmcc> JH is super duper towny to me but maybe not to others
01[21:25] <@HiroPro> doesn't matter if he is townie or not
[21:25] <austinmcc> and Crossfire looks townie to me, if i'm viewing things objectively
[21:25] <austinmcc> well, it matters late
[21:25] <austinmcc> you're our best chance for endgame
[21:25] <austinmcc> and you're set up well
[21:25] <austinmcc> but if it's you and the two of them left
1[21:25] <@HiroPro> jh is so irritating and obssesed with himself that townies will suspect him
[21:25] <austinmcc> i'd be lynching you in a heartbeat
[21:26] <austinmcc> because they're so silly and towny. Everyone else might feel otherwise though and want to lynch JH for being JH
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm going to go into endgame with crossfire and drazerk
[21:26] <austinmcc> lol
[21:26] <austinmcc> i wouldn't be surprised to see someone take drazerk out before then
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> yea it's possible
[21:26] <austinmcc> or at the very least someone can bring up lynching him for the good of endgame
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> fine i'll take gonzaw and jingle lol
01[21:26] <@HiroPro> i'm not scared of gonzaw
01[21:27] <@HiroPro> matt might still be able to figure me out
[21:27] <austinmcc> i'll be interested to read the thread if you guys are the final 3...
01[21:27] <@HiroPro> oh man that shit would be awesome lol
[21:27] <austinmcc> i'm not overly scared about gonzaw either, but he's more threatening right now than someone like snb
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> yea s&b will get lynched
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> the guy has no thread presence
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> he came in today close to the lynch and all he said was drazerk is scum
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> didn't say a word about perfection
01[21:28] <@HiroPro> that kind of stuff will seem really scummy
[21:28] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:29] <austinmcc> he's been entirely missing the last couple games i've played with him, while he was at CERN or coming back
01[21:29] <@HiroPro> nisani can be lynched too i think
[21:30] <austinmcc> i think nisani, snb, drazerk, JH without me on the vote, and even maybe ghost/keirathi can be lynched
[21:31] <austinmcc> gonzaw has some neat little suspicions on ghost, but i don't know that they'll catch. Keirathi had that comment about iamperfection looking townie off meta
[21:31] <austinmcc> which added to his other stuff makes him feel lynchable
[21:31] <austinmcc> also, gonzaw and ghost seem to find him scummy, and iamperfection's flip shouldn't make him seem more townie, even if they don't care about his iamperfection read
01[21:31] <@HiroPro> yes
1[21:32] <@HiroPro> so who's the burn target? matt? crossfire? gonzaw? i'm leaning to matt
01[21:33] <@HiroPro> actually the frame might be even more important
01[21:33] <@HiroPro> if I can just try to figure out who the cop would target
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> probably nisani/s&b/drazerk right?
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> well you and kei are possibilities too
01[21:34] <@HiroPro> but my frame only makes people look guilty, not inno
[21:35] <austinmcc> i don't see a cop checking snb N1
[21:35] <austinmcc> I could see cop checking nisani, drazerk, me, kei
01[21:36] <@HiroPro> we need to breadcrumb hunt
01[21:36] <@HiroPro> ugh it's so tiresome lol
[21:37] <austinmcc> i don't even know how you'd crumb in this game
[21:37] <austinmcc> i guess you can crumb the equivalent of your role in a normal
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> they'll do names
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> or yea equivalents
01[21:37] <@HiroPro> names of people
[21:37] <austinmcc> like if I crumb some portal word
[21:38] <austinmcc> nobody knows what that would be
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> names of people
[21:38] <austinmcc> but yeah, crumbing targets and equivalents
[21:38] <austinmcc> also, i'm guessing there are a lot of roles
[21:38] <austinmcc> everyone loved aperture for the roles
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yea def and we have no rber left lol
[21:38] <austinmcc> people will be so disappointed if they join Aperture 2 and get no role
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> yep
01[21:38] <@HiroPro> i bet there's one troll green though
01[21:39] <@HiroPro> like the lemon thing
01[21:39] <@HiroPro> or the one that got a report of who was going to die at night at the daypost
[21:40] <austinmcc> i'm going to shoot matt i think
[21:40] <austinmcc> either matt or snb/crossfire
[21:40] <austinmcc> if one of those two die
[21:40] <austinmcc> i can claim vig or something, weeding out lurkers
[21:40] <austinmcc> or weeding out people we don't want in endgame
01[21:40] <@HiroPro> you can't claim vig, we only have 1 kp itll be too obvious
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> oh wait
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> yes you can
[21:41] <austinmcc> yeah
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> but its not a good idea
[21:41] <austinmcc> i held my shot N1
[21:41] <austinmcc> or
01[21:41] <@HiroPro> like role!=alignment
[21:41] <austinmcc> i couldn't shoot til x
[21:41] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:41] <austinmcc> but
[21:41] <austinmcc> how you use the role can show alignment
[21:41] <austinmcc> why would scum weed out a lurker
[21:41] <austinmcc> that town didn't want to take to endgame, but probably wasn't going to lynch
[21:41] <austinmcc> why wouldn't scum kill a stronger town player
[21:42] <austinmcc> i only like those as kill options because I think they provide a strong argument that the use of the role is townie
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> not crossfire
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> people would lynch you if you claimed that
01[21:42] <@HiroPro> cause he voted for perfection
[21:42] <austinmcc> yeah, true. only gonzaw suspicious of him
[21:42] <austinmcc> remember he didn't know it was plurality
[21:43] <austinmcc> so gonzaw's right, even though silly, about crossfire's vote not being a great towntell
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> no but someone will go, "that's a sign of him not having teammates to tell"
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> which is true
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> like if your teammate is up for lynch
01[21:43] <@HiroPro> you're going to know the damn voting rules
[21:43] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:43] <austinmcc> okay so
[21:43] <austinmcc> mattchew or snb
[21:44] <austinmcc> mattchew gets rid of townie. mattchew might be protected. mattchew might also be bussed
[21:44] <austinmcc> actually, i don't care AT ALL about bussing
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> wait your thing will have flavor dude i just realized
[21:44] <austinmcc> because i only do .5 kp. Horribly unlikely i'd be able to finish the person off
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> like if someone cross checks with aperture 1
01[21:44] <@HiroPro> they'll think you're scum
[21:44] <austinmcc> sure
[21:44] <austinmcc> sure
[21:44] <austinmcc> well, less sure there
[21:45] <austinmcc> i can claim to be a converted sentry gun
[21:45] <austinmcc> or whatever else
01[21:45] <@HiroPro> -_-
[21:45] <austinmcc> like...i can either claim a slightly different name
[21:45] <austinmcc> converted sentry
[21:45] <austinmcc> huggably soft sentry gun
01[21:45] <@HiroPro> that sounds so dumb lol
[21:45] <austinmcc> renegade sentry gun
[21:45] <austinmcc> this is how my mind thinks lol
[21:46] <austinmcc> or claim like...sentry gun remote
[21:46] <austinmcc> i dunno
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> wait so we have 12 people right
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> 11 after tonight
[21:47] <austinmcc> yeah
[21:47] <austinmcc> asked grey in QT about kill flavors
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> how many mislynches do we need?
[21:47] <austinmcc> if it just says "x got shot" and not "x got shot by a sentry turret" then kill flavor won't matter
[21:47] <austinmcc> even like "riddled full of holes" is fine
01[21:47] <@HiroPro> yea
[21:47] <austinmcc> assuming no protects and no vigis
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> if your thing is flame
[21:48] <austinmcc> 11 tomorrow, mislynch 1 to 10, 8 with NKs, mislynch to 7, 6 with NK, mislynch to 5, game ends that night
[21:48] <austinmcc> my thing is bullets
[21:48] <austinmcc> i'm an infinite bullet sentry turret
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> oh ok
[21:48] <austinmcc> so that's 3 mislynches
[21:48] <austinmcc> to win
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> 3 mislynches?
[21:48] <austinmcc> assuming no third party
[21:48] <austinmcc> no vigis
[21:48] <austinmcc> no protects
[21:48] <austinmcc> no nothings
01[21:48] <@HiroPro> and we need 2 of your kills or 1?
01[21:49] <@HiroPro> 1 right?
[21:49] <austinmcc> 1 kill
[21:49] <austinmcc> the second kill would take us to 3 players left with 2 of us being scum, so we'd win whether i get that kill or not
01[21:49] <@HiroPro> i don't think we can get 3 mislynches if you shoot s&b
[21:49] <austinmcc> if I die before that last night
[21:49] <austinmcc> then we'd need 4 i think
[21:49] <austinmcc> okay
[21:49] <austinmcc> i'm good shooting mattchew
[21:49] <austinmcc> that's true that we're going to need good mislynch targets
01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yea
[21:50] <austinmcc> and i guess it frees up tomorrow night's factional for anyone who comes out too strong
01[21:50] <@HiroPro> yes
1[21:51] <@HiroPro> and ill carry out the kill on memen
01[21:51] <@HiroPro> my role might be an issue later on... cause i won't know what i show up as visiting
01[21:52] <@HiroPro> cause i copy the visits of the person who i visit lol
01[21:52] <@HiroPro> but it does give me their alignment so i should still use it
[21:54] <austinmcc> yeah. as long as you don't use it on me you'll come off town to DT checks. the only risk is...what. someone rolechecking the person you target and getting back your role
[21:54] <austinmcc> then, if things go late, you might get tripped up if a roleclaim was forced
[21:55] <austinmcc> even if you had a fakeclaim name, you couldn't really show you'd done anythign to anyone
[21:55] <austinmcc> that's so far out there that it isn't worth orrying about though
[21:55] <austinmcc> okay so
[21:55] <austinmcc> kill mementoss
[21:55] <austinmcc> .5 KP mattchew
[21:55] <austinmcc> i'll write a case on mementoss tomorrow
[21:55] <austinmcc> and some other normal night stuff

-> The case on me that game was planned, and this time, it has been gradual and you could tell he thought I was scummy throughout.

http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/FmyTwBWuTQ3H

Austin was scared of me in the QT. Austin does not feel scared. Austin did not take the easy route out. Fuck me.

I am sure Austin is town? Nope. Am I comfortable lynching him anymore? Nope. SHeit.

1 da0ud
2 djodref
3 hiro
4.austin
5 kushm4sta
6 Thrawn2112
7 Hopeless1der
8 mementoss

Mementoss

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October 17 2012 20:02 GMT

#1340

Kush:

kush has some super scummy posts day 1 trying to get 1der through hard and sandroba lynched, but he was the hammer on ON. kush was super scummy all of day 2. But kush defended me before it was cool (pre hopeless post) why would he do that as scum? Kush also pointed out hiros play day 1 looks townie, which it does. Kush pushing the hardest target, thrawn with little to no support and actually made a case on him. Overall, I think hes town, and might have got caught on the wrong end of that day 1 ON stuff.

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