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First, nice shot vig. Second, I need to get to bed after this, so I only have time to respond to your questions, Austin. His quote is spoiler below.
+ Show Spoiler +You were gone all D2. N2 you pop in 2 hours before deadline, and do respond to my case. I appreciate that. But now you've dipped out for another 24+ hours. We're talking 2 actual posts over the last...96 hours.
I'm not holding the Probulous comment against you anymore. I got an answer to one of my PMs, and not to the other, so I can believe that Prob is just a bum and Adam is a way better coach. You're rightfully suspicious of Anac. But other than that, who?
Heck, what about other stuff -- Why do you think the night kills have been ShiaoPi and dahdum? What made them good targets for mafia? Why not kill Firm last night? Come in here, contribute, even if it's just answering that stuff.
I'll address your night kill issue first. I believe I mentioned this before, but I don't like speculating about actions that mafia have taken. We have no idea why they were killed, only mafia does. Speculating why can lead down endless rabbit holes of they killed so and so for this reason so that makes this person guilty. What if they are tricking us knowing that we will think that? But we know that they know that we know taht...
Basically, nothing good comes of speculating about those night kills. It creates unnecessary distractions.
As for my current reads, right now my top one is anacletus. He isn't doing anything and admits it. This doesn't help us as town. I don't know how he has survived this long without be lynched to be honest.
Reading through Mufaa's filter he continually defends Anac D1 and does his weird vote on Jailbreaker, but then switches it to Brood with little reasoning (I talked about this in an earlier post if any wants to see my thougthts on it) Looking at the rest of his posts, he only is suspicious of Dahdum and Darkfire + Show Spoiler + On May 15 2012 02:34 Mufaa wrote:
Ok, here we go.
Strongest reads for me so far are Dahdum and Darkfire.
I will post more when I have time tomorrow.
##Vote Anacletus
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##vote Austinmcc
On May 15 2012 03:00 Mufaa wrote:EBWOP: Meant to preview notpost,please disregard the darkfire portion above and use this one. Darkfirex5My suspicions of him aren't as strong, but I still have a few things I'm curious about. + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote:
If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.
Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. He's suspicious of BioSC, who says town/they instead of us/we. While this is something of note while building a case it isn't enough to build a case on its own. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 06:43 Darkfirex5 wrote:sorry im a student so i have school, currently i think this is a weak bandwagon forming on Anacletus. While his defense is weak: Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote:
I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no?
But if he's town, shit. Yet the first person to begin the voting on Anacletus was Hyaach, his reasoning seemed just as weak: Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:33 Hyaach wrote:
No edits are allowed.
IMO, i did whatever firmtofu wrote was just a innocent day 1 remark. There is nothing more suspicious about his post than yours actually.
And say "if" he was mafia, what if the mafia decided to throw him under the bus? Not a good way to rule out anything.
I'm also just voting you because there's nothing to discuss here /sarcasm The start of this "bandwagon" is begining to form off of this, though Anacletus did have a poor response which made him more suspicious the voting on him lacks solid reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 03:56 FirmTofu wrote:What... I said that purely in jest, teasing him about the newbie game that just completed. I didn't think you guys would go batshit insane over it. On May 11 2012 00:23 Crossfire99 wrote:
He posted less than an hour into the day and he makes a reference to a previous game. I don't know what happened in the previous game, but it seems like dahdum was mafia and Firmtofu wasn't and that the town lost (I infer this from his little >< face). It seems like he is complimenting dahdum's play and hopes they are on the same side. What's bad about that?
As for his lynching lurkers stance, he was like one of the first posts, so no one really posted and it seems he was stating that we should wait to judge people until they posted. If people still lurked after a while then he seems to support lynching the lurkers. This isn't a terrible stance if I am interpreting him correctly, so I want clarification from him on this, though.
Crossfire put it best. dahdum was in a game before this and I just commented on how I hope he isn't scum again because he played well last game. I didn't think I was acting suspicious at all, but apparently it was? Regardless, we should switch up our votes onto some more scummy targets. There are certain people that are playing very pro-town right now, but may be doing so just to gain the town's trust. It's extremely hard to tell from just Day 1 behavior, so I think our best for a lynch would be to hunt those people who are genuinely acting scummy or playing poorly. Anacletus seems like the perfect target to start. On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote:
I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no?
But if he's town, shit. This quote is suspicious, for reasons mentioned previously my numerous people. However, there is an interesting phrasing of words I find rather intriguing. See bold. What motive would anyone have to say that sentence. Is it not already a statement of fact? Why did he feel the need to reiterate something that is quite obvious to everyone that is playing: If we lynch Tofu and he's town, then we are in trouble. Well, no shit Sherlock. Generally when town people die, the mafia gets farther ahead. Here's my theory. Anacletus knows I am town, because I'm not on his mafia team. Therefore, he knows if and when I get lynched, I will flip town. That statement is guilt insurance and a scum tell because of it. He is trying to insure himself now so that later, he can say "Aw crap, well I was wrong, but look at my previous post where I admitted I might be wrong!"When town members vote people, they don't know whether they are right or wrong. When mafia vote people they know the exact alignment of the person they are voting. I believe this knowledge just leaked from Anacletus the mafia. ##vote:Anacletus I bolded the part im talking about (didnt cut out any as to take something out of context^). Another thing now is that Tofu anounces the role of being a townie, and the reason (supposidly) why Anacletus targeted him was because he knew he was town (because he was mafia)? Now im questioning then why did he target you (tofu) only because you were town. Why initiate like that on a post that seemed insignifigant. I'm building suspicion on the reasoning for starting this bandwagon on Anacletus. Im still not placing a vote down yet but the starting reasonings for the votes lacks evidence and the follow up points (to me dont seem solid). Lastly: Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:52 BioSC wrote:Good morning. Lets get to business. Somehow I managed to miss this post back on page 5. On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote:On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote:
If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.
Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too. Now take this massive post Darkfire "contributed." The first 3/4 of it are on how this is a weak bandwagon case on Anac, with the last 1/4 on a wording dispute. This would be ok with me, except that he voted for Anac and never switched off of him. From there he posts mostly fluff until this gem. Show nested quote +On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote:
well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D How do you know ShiaoPi was on to something? Austin and Anac both offered easy suggestions to why the mafia voted the way they did other than that they wanted to silence the person was closest to discovering them (Silencing vocal townies to stiffle discussion,attempting to frame the people on his list, etc...). Why should we believe this was just a careless post and not a slip? The others I'm less suspicious of but I do have some questions for them I want to ask: BioSC- All game you've been defending yourself from reads people put on you, but your defense is always "I'm not doing mafia things, your read is invalid" or something along those lines. I'd be a lot more likely to believe you if you had contributed to finding scum at all instead of just defending yourself. Who do you think is most likely to be scum and what do you have to back it up? Hyaach- I've noticed you voted for Anac without much of an explination and you tunneled him through day1. Since then you've said you're suspicious of people but instead of providing cases, you never follow up or ask other people for their opinions on the matter. Somewhat suspicious to me and I'll be watching this. Crossfire- I'm not sure what I think of him yet. His reason for not switching to BKE was pretty solid but since then his only case has been on me for not leading a lynch on a townie when there were 2hrs left in d1. Would like to see some more content. FirmTofu- You jumped on the BKE lynch after austinmcc's post where he says "I think Broodking's responses to the pressure are much more telling than the actual initial pressure itself. austinmcc is completely right that Broodking is the scummiest person alive now." Now his most recent post d2 is questioning austinmcc for the mislynch and implying Anac and austinmcc are buddying without any real proof. I don't believe this, but it makes me wonder if you're mafia and supported the BKE lynch because you knew he was town and saw an easy d2 lynch in austin/Anac because you knew that bringing up austin's case would put pressure on austin for the mislynch. Like I said, I have nothing concrete to back that up, but it does make me suspicious of you. austinmcc- Even though he led the mislynch on BKE, his reasonings were sound and his posts have all been solid so far. I'll be watching but you seem town to me.
On May 15 2012 00:39 Mufaa wrote:
@ Austin:I called him out on the safer comment too.He ignored me also.Still waiting for a response to that.
going through the thread and filters now. I'll get a post up soon.
i read through mufaa's filter. he was already listing Austinmcc as the least scummy people in his list from day one.
With every other post to either push vote on people or directe FoS onto someone whose not Austinmcc/Unforgiven_
Hell, he even forgot him in his list.
Has quite a few post that go along with austinmcc's flow of questioning
Austinmcc has led two wrong mislynch. yes this may not be a good reason but its two townies dead. Says he has a town read on FirmTofu. I cant figure this part out. It maybe a trap eitherway. Mufaa was placing FirmTofu as the second least suspicious.
Both him and Mufaa has stated times and again that Anac is a bad townie. But I can't seem to link them three together.
And i'm actually inclined to believe now that Anac is really a bad townie. 
My mafia team right now is Mufaa Austinmcc and Unforgiven_
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So let's see.
Anacletus (3) - BioSC, Anacletus, Crossfire99
austinmcc (1) - unforgiven, Hyaach
Anac. I read you town, see my read on you. I can see why you'd be frustrated and want to vote yourself, but look back at D2 and N2.
On May 15 2012 08:58 Anacletus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 08:52 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
i need to read more camly all the post to get a 3rd suspect. Btw, now you see, op just said there were 3 mafias. another thing i was suspicious of austin It's BioSC, FirmTofu, and austincc....TT
You voted BioSC at the start of the day, so you still think he's scum. Mufaa flipped scum. How does that alter your team setup?
Firm if you want information from Bio, he's either provided it or isn't going to. Time to add something here.
Unforgiven, I'm using big letters because i AM desperate. We haven't had the full-on modkills that other newbie games have, just the one, but we've also had the warning and we have a lot of people posting just enough to not get modkilled. The more active we can get everyone, the more posts/behavior we have to analyze. My top read is still Crossfire I believe.
Hyaach, one post ago your suspicions were dahdum, Anacletus, Mufaa, ShiaoPi. Your team right now is Mufaa, Austinmcc, Unforgiven.
Can you explain your new reads a little better? I'm scummy because I've led two mislynches, fine. True. You can't figure out my townread on FirmTofu, but you don't slot him into your scum team. Does this mean you have a town read on him as well, or believe him to be mafia and don't have a slot to put him in? And why is Unforgiven on your scumteam? You weren't suspicious of him last night, what makes you suspicious of him today?
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On May 17 2012 13:38 FirmTofu wrote:
BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming.
Would like to hear the reasoning on this one. I'm looking a little less at Crossfire right now and a little more at Bio/Hyaach. Moreover, doesn't look like there's weight behind a Crossfire or Hyaach lynch today, we seem to be focused on Anac v. Bio v. Me. Why should we be voting BioSC over one of the lurkier players, and what put you over the top from suspicious to certain?
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Ok, back this morning. I have some quick thoughts to post, then I'll get back to discussing the best lynch target.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2012 13:45 Anacletus wrote:
And thank you for calling me a self-centered brat, I will be sure to compile this alongside the other ad hominem that I've receiced, like how my posts aren't worth reading, or how mafia writes my posts for me because I must be too stupid to write them myself.
And this is getting off-topic, so I'll stop defending myself from baseless attacks now.
[Hr]
I'm leaving my vote where it is until I have substantial reason to do otherwise.
((Out of Game: Anacletus, it appears that you have taken offense to some posts in the thread. I can only speak for myself, but if my posts came across as aggressive and insulting to your character, I sincerely, truly, apologize for that. I never meant to attack anyone's character in this game, only their arguments. If you believed me to be attacking you, again, I am sorry for that.
What I do NOT like, is people putting words into my mouth to make it seem like I am trying to insult people.
I assume the posts you are referring to are these made by me.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote:
@Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you? Seriously, this is night and day better than your first day posts. I would be proud of you, but for someone who's neck just came off the chopping block for crappy posts, this sure is an oddity, especially against me. I've given my reasons for shifting my vote, look through my filter for it. If your reason to vote for me is simply for NOT voting for you, then you need to look a bit deeper. NOWHERE did I say that you were too unintelligent to form your own posts. I was noting the vast difference in your posts from day 1 to now. Don't imply that I think you are unintelligent, when it simply isn't true.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 15 2012 03:57 BioSC wrote:
Your posts aren't worth addressing anymore. Your case is bad and your responses in this post confirm to me you don't actually have any idea about why you are coming after me. I say here that I believe your arguments against me aren't worth addressing, because I felt like I answered them sufficiently to not warrant repeating myself. Don't imply that I haven't read your posts. I've read each and every post made by each person in this game.
Once again, I'm sorry if my posts came across as insulting to your character. But please do not imply that I am a person that insults others over the internet. I believe I was raised better than that. /end Out of Game))
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Austin: I assume you have read Anacletus' post after you fell asleep. What do you think of that? I can only offer 2 scenarios.
1) He's a scum: After going most of the game completely untested by the town, the vig gets a miracle shot off on one of his teammates, and due to the links between him and Mufaa, combined with his position among the town, he decides to melt down and try to throw everyone off the radar of the last mafia, leaving 1 vs 6ish town.
2) He's a Townie: He's been called out since day one, had about 90% of the vote before getting saved by the lynch on BXE. Day 2, he shapes up his posting style, makes a case on me, which is largely ignored by the town at large. Day 3, combined with my constant pressure on his actions and even your admittance that you've been ignoring him, he melts down and decides that his lynch would allow the town to more completely focus on finding scum without him there to confuse us.
Which do you feel is more likely? Honestly, 2) is seeming much more likely at this point, as hard as it is for me to say. The evidence against him is staggering, I feel, and it's obviously tough for me to admit that I'm wrong. Like you said yesterday, 1) seems like it is just so far down the rabbit hole that it makes no sense, especially for a newbie game.
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On May 17 2012 13:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anacletus, you aren't helping my voting yourself and it isn't winning you any town points. It just makes you look like a self-centered brat that doesn't want to take the time to defend himself in the face of an accusation and then wants to go, "I told you so!" when you flip town. I want you to unvote yourself right now and start playing the game because you aren't contributing anything of value yet.
BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming.
Tofu: I've been pretty transparent in this day voting. If there is something you want me to address, go ahead and post it. I'm not worried about you making a case at me, I just want to address it and move on to actually finding scum.
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@Anacletus: Part of me would like to believe you are town, truly. You just aren't helping myself or you in that regard. Tell you what, I'm going to back off the pressure from you for a bit, because I want to show you that I want your input. You believe me to be scum, fine. Who is my scumbuddy? Who do you believe through my posts is the other scum along with Mufaa? Is there anything you believe that connects me strongly to Mufaa and who you believe to be the 3rd scum?
I want to help you help yourself. If you are truly town like you say you are, help me believe you.
Due to recent events, I can't commit my vote as I would like to. There are too many questions, and not enough answers.
##Unvote
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Bio, I read it as (2). I got called out for ignoring his posts before, rightfully so, and no, his filter wasn't as long or bad as I'd convinced myself it was. I read him town last night, and his self-vote feels legitimately frustrated to me. I wish he'd pop back in and give some thoughts on how the Mufaa flip alters his scumteam.
Your unvote takes it to 2/2 on anac and I, with his 2nd vote coming in earlier. I don't like either of those options. So right now based on the way the votes are, I'm inclined to lynch into our more lurk-y players, and finally start to back up my requests with a rope.
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I'm sorry I couldn't finish my megapost yesterday. I had a late night and some studying to do, so I'm going to get back on it now.
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On May 18 2012 04:18 austinmcc wrote:
Bio, I read it as (2). I got called out for ignoring his posts before, rightfully so, and no, his filter wasn't as long or bad as I'd convinced myself it was. I read him town last night, and his self-vote feels legitimately frustrated to me. I wish he'd pop back in and give some thoughts on how the Mufaa flip alters his scumteam.
Your unvote takes it to 2/2 on anac and I, with his 2nd vote coming in earlier. I don't like either of those options. So right now based on the way the votes are, I'm inclined to lynch into our more lurk-y players, and finally start to back up my requests with a rope.
Something else I've thought about last night before I went to bed, was the possibility of us 4 discussing/bringing up topics in this day vote (You, Me, Tofu, Anacletus) are all Town, and that the remaining mafia members are the lurkers waiting to come in and swing vote whomever has the most votes at the time. With Tofu's case against me coming up, I highly suspect he will be voting for me, and possibly dragging Anacletus along with him. That would still leave you with the lynch, unless of course votes are swapped.
Say you believe that us 4 are town. You've at least stated that you believe that You, FirmTofu, and Anacletus are town. If you had to lynch a lurker by your own definition, who reads as strongest scum to you? At this point, hitting a lurker feels more right to me, again, tough to say based on my own case against Ana.
It's fine if you read me as scum. I want to prove to town that I'm not. My unvote I hope moves thought in that direction. I feel that if you believe me as scum, I have more to risk by unvoting Anacletus and discussing a lynch on lurkers more than if I kept with my vote on Ana.
It's not something I'm completely 100% sold on, but I feel like the possibility of us 4 being all town needs to come up.
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Right, this is some lovely WIFOM-y stuff, or at the very least some stuff where I'm of two minds.
I'm sold on Anac and I being town. The end. I'm relatively sold on FirmTofu being town, but want to see more. I was considering one of the lurkers for the vig, but either he's not claiming or I was wrong. So what I'm left with right now is: (1a) Two mafia lurkers; (1b) You + one lurker as mafia; (2) some scenario in which Firm is mafia.
Out of the three that I'm calling "lurkers," and I still feel them to be such given that so much of what we DO have from them is excuses for not posting and promises to post more soon, I'm most comfortable lynching into Cross and Hyaach. Will look at them some more, both my thoughts from yesterday and their responses, and see if one really sticks out to me as a better candidate.
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With regards to WIFOM... yeah. It's getting to that point soon. Plus, it's only going to get worse if we mislynch, which is why I want to find the best possible target.
With regards to Tofu, I suppose I'm going to have to wait to see what the fuss is all about on this "Mega Post". I don't know why it's taken this long for someone to make the post about me, but it is what it is. If Tofu is set on his vote, and I can't convince him otherwise, I feel like my only option would be to look into a lurker lynch, or fall back to my original vote.
I will look through the lurkers filters again as well, though I'm leaning towards Hyaach as being the scummiest lurker right now.
His "suspicions" are simply just a fishnet as of now, with no real reasoning behind them. I'm going to try and see if there are any connections between the 3 lurkers and Mufaa, though as of right now the biggest connection between them is that they were all mostly low post count lurkers >.<
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The ONLY reason I'm not entirely sold on Hyaach is his no-vote. When we already saw Jailbreaker get modkilled, a no-vote from a scummy player feels like way too large of a risk to take.
##Vote: Hyaach
That said, it's not really a town play either. I can only see someone failing to vote if they actually weren't around at all, which would mean he also wasn't getting prodded in QT or anything. For now, my vote's on him. His post today was just "here's what mufaa said" and voting based off of who mufaa had prodded or not. But I don't like holding my vote this late when there are no votes on anyone I find scummy, and (clearly) I've got no problem tossing out the first vote on someone.
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And of course, in WIFOM-world, you chose the guy who's in a time zone that would mean he's asleep during this time period. We can be almost certain that he's not coming back in to defend himself. So I'd like to see some more reasoning from you on why you like him over the other two, especially if Tofu is still working on some post about how he's convinced that you're scum.
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On May 18 2012 05:23 austinmcc wrote:
And of course, in WIFOM-world, you chose the guy who's in a time zone that would mean he's asleep during this time period. We can be almost certain that he's not coming back in to defend himself. So I'd like to see some more reasoning from you on why you like him over the other two, especially if Tofu is still working on some post about how he's convinced that you're scum.
Fair enough. My decision to FoS him was not his timezone. Honestly I didn't even know where he lived, all I knew was that his posts were generally not helpful and really focused on Anacletus. Does that make him scum to me? Well, if I said yes, it sure would look bad for me as well.
The reason I find him scummy right now is that he was so completely focused on Anacletus, up until his vote for you Day 3.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 17 2012 20:39 Hyaach wrote:##vote Austinmcc Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 03:00 Mufaa wrote:EBWOP: Meant to preview notpost,please disregard the darkfire portion above and use this one. Darkfirex5My suspicions of him aren't as strong, but I still have a few things I'm curious about. + Show Spoiler +On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote:
If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.
Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. He's suspicious of BioSC, who says town/they instead of us/we. While this is something of note while building a case it isn't enough to build a case on its own. + Show Spoiler +On May 11 2012 06:43 Darkfirex5 wrote:sorry im a student so i have school, currently i think this is a weak bandwagon forming on Anacletus. While his defense is weak: Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote:
I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no?
But if he's town, shit. Yet the first person to begin the voting on Anacletus was Hyaach, his reasoning seemed just as weak: Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 23:33 Hyaach wrote:
No edits are allowed.
IMO, i did whatever firmtofu wrote was just a innocent day 1 remark. There is nothing more suspicious about his post than yours actually.
And say "if" he was mafia, what if the mafia decided to throw him under the bus? Not a good way to rule out anything.
I'm also just voting you because there's nothing to discuss here /sarcasm The start of this "bandwagon" is begining to form off of this, though Anacletus did have a poor response which made him more suspicious the voting on him lacks solid reasoning. Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 03:56 FirmTofu wrote:What... I said that purely in jest, teasing him about the newbie game that just completed. I didn't think you guys would go batshit insane over it. On May 11 2012 00:23 Crossfire99 wrote:
He posted less than an hour into the day and he makes a reference to a previous game. I don't know what happened in the previous game, but it seems like dahdum was mafia and Firmtofu wasn't and that the town lost (I infer this from his little >< face). It seems like he is complimenting dahdum's play and hopes they are on the same side. What's bad about that?
As for his lynching lurkers stance, he was like one of the first posts, so no one really posted and it seems he was stating that we should wait to judge people until they posted. If people still lurked after a while then he seems to support lynching the lurkers. This isn't a terrible stance if I am interpreting him correctly, so I want clarification from him on this, though.
Crossfire put it best. dahdum was in a game before this and I just commented on how I hope he isn't scum again because he played well last game. I didn't think I was acting suspicious at all, but apparently it was? Regardless, we should switch up our votes onto some more scummy targets. There are certain people that are playing very pro-town right now, but may be doing so just to gain the town's trust. It's extremely hard to tell from just Day 1 behavior, so I think our best for a lynch would be to hunt those people who are genuinely acting scummy or playing poorly. Anacletus seems like the perfect target to start. On May 10 2012 23:26 Anacletus wrote:
I am only voting because I don't have much to add. I would also like to point out that *if* we hang tofu for his suspicious behavior and he is mafia then we can rule out those voting as being mafia, no?
But if he's town, shit. This quote is suspicious, for reasons mentioned previously my numerous people. However, there is an interesting phrasing of words I find rather intriguing. See bold. What motive would anyone have to say that sentence. Is it not already a statement of fact? Why did he feel the need to reiterate something that is quite obvious to everyone that is playing: If we lynch Tofu and he's town, then we are in trouble. Well, no shit Sherlock. Generally when town people die, the mafia gets farther ahead. Here's my theory. Anacletus knows I am town, because I'm not on his mafia team. Therefore, he knows if and when I get lynched, I will flip town. That statement is guilt insurance and a scum tell because of it. He is trying to insure himself now so that later, he can say "Aw crap, well I was wrong, but look at my previous post where I admitted I might be wrong!"When town members vote people, they don't know whether they are right or wrong. When mafia vote people they know the exact alignment of the person they are voting. I believe this knowledge just leaked from Anacletus the mafia. ##vote:Anacletus I bolded the part im talking about (didnt cut out any as to take something out of context^). Another thing now is that Tofu anounces the role of being a townie, and the reason (supposidly) why Anacletus targeted him was because he knew he was town (because he was mafia)? Now im questioning then why did he target you (tofu) only because you were town. Why initiate like that on a post that seemed insignifigant. I'm building suspicion on the reasoning for starting this bandwagon on Anacletus. Im still not placing a vote down yet but the starting reasonings for the votes lacks evidence and the follow up points (to me dont seem solid). Lastly: Show nested quote +On May 11 2012 04:52 BioSC wrote:Good morning. Lets get to business. Somehow I managed to miss this post back on page 5. On May 10 2012 13:10 Darkfirex5 wrote:On May 10 2012 08:17 BioSC wrote:
If they are lurking scum players, town gets a nice snipe. Should they be town, they would be just as bad as scum in that they wouldn't help town anyways.
Well, might as well get started first game :3 I'm questioning why do you speak about town in third person as if you are speaking as if town isnt including yourself, so im asking why are you not using "we" and refering to town as a "they." Also you are justifying killing town just because they arent active, a vote helps even if they are a lurker, its another person who can still vote and help kill off all of the mafia. If you are going to put pressure on me, at least make it substantial/useful. If you are going to quote me, quote the whole post, not half of it and take it out of context. "They" is referring to lurking players, which I am not, thus I didn't use "we". This suspicion about "misused" pronouns is silly, and only drives me to wonder about you. You have only made one post so far, and wasn't very helpful. So far, the only lurkers here are you and Mufaa, whom has yet to post ANYTHING. Not enough to drive my vote to you, but I'm sure to keep an eye on your posts. I was refering to why you said town gets a nice snipe instead of we are geting a nice snipe, i was only adding on some slight pressure on the begining, which was similar to other posts. The way you get very defensive and attack my one post only asking about your reference to town/mafia. FOS: BioSc From your posts folowing, i think less of you as being mafia, and more so townie, that doesnt mean i wont continue keeping an eye on you too. Now take this massive post Darkfire "contributed." The first 3/4 of it are on how this is a weak bandwagon case on Anac, with the last 1/4 on a wording dispute. This would be ok with me, except that he voted for Anac and never switched off of him. From there he posts mostly fluff until this gem. On May 13 2012 12:30 Darkfirex5 wrote:
well now we have a lot to work with at least, i guess ShiaoPi was onto something, time to avenge him :D How do you know ShiaoPi was on to something? Austin and Anac both offered easy suggestions to why the mafia voted the way they did other than that they wanted to silence the person was closest to discovering them (Silencing vocal townies to stiffle discussion,attempting to frame the people on his list, etc...). Why should we believe this was just a careless post and not a slip? The others I'm less suspicious of but I do have some questions for them I want to ask: BioSC- All game you've been defending yourself from reads people put on you, but your defense is always "I'm not doing mafia things, your read is invalid" or something along those lines. I'd be a lot more likely to believe you if you had contributed to finding scum at all instead of just defending yourself. Who do you think is most likely to be scum and what do you have to back it up? Hyaach- I've noticed you voted for Anac without much of an explination and you tunneled him through day1. Since then you've said you're suspicious of people but instead of providing cases, you never follow up or ask other people for their opinions on the matter. Somewhat suspicious to me and I'll be watching this. Crossfire- I'm not sure what I think of him yet. His reason for not switching to BKE was pretty solid but since then his only case has been on me for not leading a lynch on a townie when there were 2hrs left in d1. Would like to see some more content. FirmTofu- You jumped on the BKE lynch after austinmcc's post where he says "I think Broodking's responses to the pressure are much more telling than the actual initial pressure itself. austinmcc is completely right that Broodking is the scummiest person alive now." Now his most recent post d2 is questioning austinmcc for the mislynch and implying Anac and austinmcc are buddying without any real proof. I don't believe this, but it makes me wonder if you're mafia and supported the BKE lynch because you knew he was town and saw an easy d2 lynch in austin/Anac because you knew that bringing up austin's case would put pressure on austin for the mislynch. Like I said, I have nothing concrete to back that up, but it does make me suspicious of you. austinmcc- Even though he led the mislynch on BKE, his reasonings were sound and his posts have all been solid so far. I'll be watching but you seem town to me. Show nested quote +On May 15 2012 00:39 Mufaa wrote:
@ Austin:I called him out on the safer comment too.He ignored me also.Still waiting for a response to that.
going through the thread and filters now. I'll get a post up soon. i read through mufaa's filter. he was already listing Austinmcc as the least scummy people in his list from day one. With every other post to either push vote on people or directe FoS onto someone whose not Austinmcc/Unforgiven_ Hell, he even forgot him in his list. Has quite a few post that go along with austinmcc's flow of questioning Austinmcc has led two wrong mislynch. yes this may not be a good reason but its two townies dead. Says he has a town read on FirmTofu. I cant figure this part out. It maybe a trap eitherway. Mufaa was placing FirmTofu as the second least suspicious. Both him and Mufaa has stated times and again that Anac is a bad townie. But I can't seem to link them three together. And i'm actually inclined to believe now that Anac is really a bad townie. My mafia team right now is Mufaa Austinmcc and Unforgiven_
His reasoning is based on Mufaa's list from back in Day 1. Back then, Mufaa had you at the lowest of his tell list. I think he is trying to use that to push votes onto you.
Another thing that I find completely out of place is his sudden switch from tunneling Anacletus, to not even having him on the scum list. There's no reasoning behind it. His posts day 1 and 2 were all about Ana, yet Day 3 when posting his scumteam, Ana's not on it? Very suspicious.
Finally, his posts in between pressuring Ana and the Day 3 vote are more useless fluff posts, like these:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 12:20 Hyaach wrote:
bad play town bad play. I was asleep from my last post to now.
Going to read what happened inbetween.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 14 2012 02:38 Hyaach wrote:
Hello people. Are we all dead yet? What are everyone's thoughts from last night?
+ Show Spoiler +On May 16 2012 19:55 Hyaach wrote:
Well i guess the night wasn't for naught. Going to look through mufaa's filter.
In case anyone was wondering, I was suspicious of dahdum before this. Obviously I was wrong i guess.
Completely non-committal and useless posts, nothing relatively helpful to town and fluff posts just so he won't get modkilled.
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Dammit, i was writing a large post and power went out -.-. let me summarize
Hyaach: you can see on Mufaa's filter that he did not attacked me because i was the first telling i was suspicions on him. I belive he did this because he didnt wanted to attrack more attention to him form the people who had a FoS on him. I think this is a normal play by a mafia.
Besides this one argument i would like to know another reasons to suspect me (like austin strangely said, maybe to start some new bandwagon?)
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On May 18 2012 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
The ONLY reason I'm not entirely sold on Hyaach is his no-vote. When we already saw Jailbreaker get modkilled, a no-vote from a scummy player feels like way too large of a risk to take.
I think OP demostrated he wasnt going to kill anyone directly at the end of the day, he gave 1 warning, so i think he was feeling safe.
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I don't like those as "fluff" though. He's not really filling a filter to make himself look active, there's no intent on his part to do anything other than be modkilled. Gah.
Also, i SWORE there was some post from him about his location saying Singapore but him being in ... Germany? Did I entirely make that up? Anyone remember that from any player?
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