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Anacletus
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States733 Posts
May 17 2012 00:26 GMT
#441
I'm lurking with cause. I feel like the town is doing a good job right now, and normally when I try to say something all shit breaks loose, so I figured that since you guys are on a good track I might as well let this go.
http://talk-to-stimey-please.1324083.n2.nabble.com/
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
May 17 2012 00:48 GMT
#442
On May 17 2012 09:26 Anacletus wrote:
I'm lurking with cause. I feel like the town is doing a good job right now, and normally when I try to say something all shit breaks loose, so I figured that since you guys are on a good track I might as well let this go.


How is town on a good track again? Since the day started, we've had 6/7 people post. We have 3 votes for 3 different people. Most of the people having posted a one sentence "I'm going to look through filters." or "Here's my vote, see you when night comes"

This is NOT a good track if you are belonging to town! The only 2 people that are contributing to any kind of discussion are me and austin, but we are both discussing 2 different things, while NO ONE has commented on ANYTHING posted by either of us, or posted anything meaningful towards whom they think is the next scumtarget!

This game would be a complete farce if austin were to be lynched simply by being The first person to be voted for!

You still haven't addressed my comments made towards you, Anacletus. I would appreciate if you didn't bury them.

Also, Austin: I want to know your opinion on my case towards Anacletus. You've given a read on everyone but him recently. I want to know people's thoughts about Mufaa's actions this game. Town FINALLY hits a Scum, and it seems like no one is going through his filter and looking for patterns but myself. If you believe that Anacletus is scum, why would you try and vote lurkers and not someone you believe is scum? I want some discussion, and if its going to only be with you, so be it.
Bio - Breaking it down
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
May 17 2012 00:50 GMT
#443
EBWOP: I don't want this to get buried. If you think its a bad read, that I'm wrong, or that I'm right, WHATEVER, TELL ME. I want some discussion on something, whether it be this or something else.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote:
Lets just pause for one second. Are we really going to vote with someone who multiple confirmed townies have called out since day 1, has had inconsistent posting patterns, and is now tunneling against the person who has been calling him out since day 2?

Whomever shot Mufaa, thank you. I wish I could take credit for it, but I can't. Now, we can finally look at the filter of a CONFIRMED scum, and try to draw some conclusions from it.

This post in particular stood out to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote:
Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made.

Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this.

If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him.

I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment.

Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close?

##Vote Jailbreaker

This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip.



We know for a fact that Mufaa was scum. Therefore, HE knows what alignment Anacletus is. If Ana was town, why would the scum team switch votes to anyone? Town lynches a townie, and scum get to shoot someone, instantly putting them in the best possible situation. The only situation i can see is that the scumteam made a last minute ploy to save Anacletus, and it worked.

The suspicions I have are further strengthened by the same vote list that Anacletus used in his case against me. Quite ironically, austinmcc was the one who made it, and will end up being what I believe will be a very strong scumread against the 2 remaining mafia.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0

Notice the 2 people WHO NEVER VOTED ANACLETUS That would be austin (the person who made the chart) and Mufaa (The confirmed scum)

I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote:
I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck.

I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/

I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is.



I feel like it was a combined play from the scumteam to cover up an early slip by one of their own. Anacletus with his sudden change in posting style and acting like bad town, Mufaa adding to the story by posting in defence of Anacletus, all nicely wrapped up with the case made by Austin to lynch a Blue Town.

Finally, after making his "case" against me, Anacletus has simply stopped participating in anything remotely town positive. Looking through his filter of the last couple of days, they are simply one-liners and fluff posts. I get the feeling from him that I'm on the right track, and he's the one being defensive and trying to get people to vote me.

This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know:

1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum?
2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot?
3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town?

## Vote Anacletus
Bio - Breaking it down
Anacletus
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States733 Posts
May 17 2012 00:53 GMT
#444
On May 17 2012 09:50 BioSC wrote:
EBWOP: I don't want this to get buried. If you think its a bad read, that I'm wrong, or that I'm right, WHATEVER, TELL ME. I want some discussion on something, whether it be this or something else.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote:
Lets just pause for one second. Are we really going to vote with someone who multiple confirmed townies have called out since day 1, has had inconsistent posting patterns, and is now tunneling against the person who has been calling him out since day 2?

Whomever shot Mufaa, thank you. I wish I could take credit for it, but I can't. Now, we can finally look at the filter of a CONFIRMED scum, and try to draw some conclusions from it.

This post in particular stood out to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2012 06:18 Mufaa wrote:
Like I've been saying since my first post, I think Ana is bad town more than mafia. Every scummy thing he has done has been so scummy that if he was Mafia his partners would be berating him so bad he probably would have stopped posting instead of digging himself into this giant hole he's made.

Austin's point about how even if Ana is scum he's lost so much credibility he can't make a push on someone d2. If he doesn't improve his play we might have to take him out later, but right now if we lynch him we won't gain any real info. Everyone has been on to him at some point, so if he flips town we gain almost nothing from this since his posts lack any content. If he flips scum the scum would lose a player, but that honestly might help them if he really is scum and is playing like this.

If we lynch someone else and they flip town, we can see who has been focused on them, who stayed out of the discussion on that person and we at least have some good info to discuss over d2. The odds are just as good of anyone else flipping scum, so I would rather flip someone who would give us info instead of giving scum the option to hide behind the excuse that Ana was such a bad townie, how could everyone not vote for him.

I think BroodKingEXE needs to post some content instead of one liners and just agreeing with people as it comes off scummy, but he isn't my first choice at the moment.

Jailbreaker- Why haven't you posted in the last 3 and a half pages? You commented early on about how much aggression there was but you haven't made a single case, even hinted at having a read, or contributed to the town in any way. Why are you so content to just sit back and watch everyone else debate with the deadline so close?

##Vote Jailbreaker

This isn't a permanent vote. I think Jailbreaker is the best lynch so far. If no one else feels this way, I will swing my vote to BroodKingEXE to get some info from the lynch as I do think his actual content will give us something to compare to everyone else d2 once we see his flip.



We know for a fact that Mufaa was scum. Therefore, HE knows what alignment Anacletus is. If Ana was town, why would the scum team switch votes to anyone? Town lynches a townie, and scum get to shoot someone, instantly putting them in the best possible situation. The only situation i can see is that the scumteam made a last minute ploy to save Anacletus, and it worked.

The suspicions I have are further strengthened by the same vote list that Anacletus used in his case against me. Quite ironically, austinmcc was the one who made it, and will end up being what I believe will be a very strong scumread against the 2 remaining mafia.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnX9O6cujxVmdFlvZkdqR1g0Qlh3d2dSaENrdW9DblE#gid=0

Notice the 2 people WHO NEVER VOTED ANACLETUS That would be austin (the person who made the chart) and Mufaa (The confirmed scum)

I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote:
I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck.

I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/

I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is.



I feel like it was a combined play from the scumteam to cover up an early slip by one of their own. Anacletus with his sudden change in posting style and acting like bad town, Mufaa adding to the story by posting in defence of Anacletus, all nicely wrapped up with the case made by Austin to lynch a Blue Town.

Finally, after making his "case" against me, Anacletus has simply stopped participating in anything remotely town positive. Looking through his filter of the last couple of days, they are simply one-liners and fluff posts. I get the feeling from him that I'm on the right track, and he's the one being defensive and trying to get people to vote me.

This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know:

1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum?
2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot?
3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town?

## Vote Anacletus


Yeah I think it is a great synopsis that makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways, it's pretty condemning evidence at me. I'm not mafia though, so I don't know what to say. Also, pointing out good information doesn't make me less suspicious of you, which is why I have voted for you and I have seen others suspicious of you so I am just going to let them connect the dots for a bit.
http://talk-to-stimey-please.1324083.n2.nabble.com/
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 17 2012 01:04 GMT
#445
Bio my honest answer right now is...

Sweet jesus I don't want to look through his filter.

Any time I start, I see myself defending him on D1 as noob town. Everything on D1, everything since, I can still read as noob town or as scum. I was actually serious when I said he was so questionable that he'd have no chance to drive things in later days and cause chaos, and I've stuck by that, basically skipping over his posts (and also, to some extent, cases on him because I have been refusing to read him).

Which is, frankly, not helpful. I got through your filter and a full gameread, but didn't get around to his because I seriously don't even want to wade in. I will make myself do some looking tonight, but I will probably mainly be reading your case and others' cases on him, because I just start to confuse myself when I look at his filter.

Fe fi fo fum.
Anacletus
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States733 Posts
May 17 2012 01:06 GMT
#446
On May 17 2012 10:04 austinmcc wrote:
Bio my honest answer right now is...

Sweet jesus I don't want to look through his filter.

Any time I start, I see myself defending him on D1 as noob town. Everything on D1, everything since, I can still read as noob town or as scum. I was actually serious when I said he was so questionable that he'd have no chance to drive things in later days and cause chaos, and I've stuck by that, basically skipping over his posts (and also, to some extent, cases on him because I have been refusing to read him).

Which is, frankly, not helpful. I got through your filter and a full gameread, but didn't get around to his because I seriously don't even want to wade in. I will make myself do some looking tonight, but I will probably mainly be reading your case and others' cases on him, because I just start to confuse myself when I look at his filter.



Exactly, I'm just ignored, carry on.
http://talk-to-stimey-please.1324083.n2.nabble.com/
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
May 17 2012 01:17 GMT
#447
On May 17 2012 10:04 austinmcc wrote:
Bio my honest answer right now is...

Sweet jesus I don't want to look through his filter.

Any time I start, I see myself defending him on D1 as noob town. Everything on D1, everything since, I can still read as noob town or as scum. I was actually serious when I said he was so questionable that he'd have no chance to drive things in later days and cause chaos, and I've stuck by that, basically skipping over his posts (and also, to some extent, cases on him because I have been refusing to read him).

Which is, frankly, not helpful. I got through your filter and a full gameread, but didn't get around to his because I seriously don't even want to wade in. I will make myself do some looking tonight, but I will probably mainly be reading your case and others' cases on him, because I just start to confuse myself when I look at his filter.



I know, but honestly his filter isn't that bad. Most of it is the flabbergasted postings from day 1 then the case on me. Like I said, recently his posts are just fluff. The reads are there, and frankly it's lazy to just assume he won't make a push on anyone. He did manage to get 3 people to vote for me Day 2. I don't want people to just ignore him because of the shoddy play. It could be what the scum planned for, as meta as that sounds.
Bio - Breaking it down
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
May 17 2012 01:55 GMT
#448
Hey Bio, what do you think of austin? Do you think he is scummy for leading the lynch on two townies? Do his actions seem contradictory to you? Why or why not?

I'll provide my thoughts after BioSC responds.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 17 2012 03:05 GMT
#449
So, Anacletus. Time to start looking at you.

D1

Lots of votes being thrown around. Lots of...contradictory votes. I'm only going to pull a few things out, but the voting and the suspicions are clearly funky. Skipping over an early vote or two, we've got - + Show Spoiler +
On May 11 2012 10:21 Anacletus wrote:

SNIPPED

##Unvote

My personal feelings as of right now is that BioSC is mafia. He's been super passive while we've been at each others throats and has been trying to redirect attention off of himself.

##Vote Anacletus

Well, this could turn out interesting
Votes himself, but thinks BioSC is mafia. 6 hours later + Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2012 04:57 Anacletus wrote:

SNIPPED

I actually don't agree with you guys in your suspicions of BioSC being mafia. I also think that Dahdum and Mufaa are also citizens as well.

My best guess as to who is mafia would be BKE I guess, but I'm not too certain which is why I haven't really raised my voice in this instance.
. Now Bio isn't mafia. Then + Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2012 06:43 Anacletus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2012 05:57 BroodKingEXE wrote:
@Anac. The first one does make sense. I could be town and the Mafia could be letting you push me, because they know I am town. They don't even need to take ownership for their vote and could keep their vote on Analect. People who vote for me can be on either side. Bussing or wagoning are options for mafia. What about my response doesn't convince you?


I'll be real with you man, I don't actually have *that* much of an inclination to believing that you are mafia. It's just that it feels like it's either you or me, so I'm trying to save my own neck.

I am not without doubt of you - I just don't think that there's enough information for me to think it's worthy to hang you, but again, if it comes down to me or you, it's you... :/

I do think that others feel like you're mafia though, so that's why my vote is where it is.
.

If i just read this, it continues to look townish to me. All those vote swaps, the odd logic, you're guaranteed to draw a lot of attention to yourself with that. The early post (not quoted here, but i've brought it up before) where he mentions playing games before does concern me. But just from this, I don't want to get super WIFOM-y and think whether mafia knows that drawing attention is bad, so they do that, etc. I have to read this day as townie.

N1
Nothing much here.

D2
Anac leads off with his initial case on Bio. + Show Spoiler +
On May 14 2012 07:40 Anacletus wrote:
SNIPPED

My biggest suspicions lie with BioSC and FirmTofu - I truly believe them to be mafia and would like for one of them to get hung today, and here is my reasoning why:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&currentpage=10#190

This post by Tofu not only distracts from any points made against BioSC but further asserts cases made against me and darkfire - and again my logic being that I know that I am not mafia so I can assume that the claims made against myself are baseless as his only points seem to be based off of what darkfire is saying.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&currentpage=10#183

BioSC also makes excruciatingly similar posts to Tofu - it's almost as if they are working together!

And my biggest reasoning to vote for them is because of how they both switched from my band wagon vote to vote for BKE after several times trying to seal a vote for me.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=334707&currentpage=17#326

My opinions on fluff posts using "we" in town situations are also pretty revealing with one's alignment.

##Vote BioSC

Here's my vote - I strongly urge you guys to vote with me on this as I truly believe my synopsis to be accurate.

. I read the making of the case as a townie move. D1 we basically said, "We're leaving you alive but think you're scummy. Better contribute a lot, or you're next, and heck...even if you contribute you may be next!" At the very least, it shows he's put together more than just some odd reason for hopping his vote around like D1. That feels townie.

Anac ends D2 by finding BioSC, FirmTofu, and I mafia. Still reading this as townie. Guy voted, stuck to it, and although he tunneled BioSC and they had their back and forth all day, it feels like an effort to adjust his posting from D1, which we were all voting him for/suspicious of/etc. Sure, could still be headgames, but now it does feel like making a case, sticking with it, trying to bring people on board with it. The last post is odd, but I read it as frustration? Continues to make those scumreads during N2.

D3
Pushing Bio.




So here's my read. I'm finding him town. Town or super-far-down-the-rabbit-hole scum, and that seems too outlandish. Bio you made your case, but it's tough for me to read that and find anac scummy off of it, because you're basing it on my alignment. I'm not scum, and so there was no magical scum play to save Anac. If you throw out Mufaa/anac/me being the scumteam, at least part of your case falls apart. Can't agree with your read because of that.




Anac. D2 and N2 you thought Firm/Bio/Me was the scumteam. Mufaa flipped red. There's been some more discussion from the rest of us. So:
  • How did Mufaa's flip change your team? Does he just replace one of us or does that alter your whole read?
  • Because i'm actually really concerned with this lurker issue, how are you feeling about the lurking? IF 2/3 of Bio/Firm/Me are scum, that means that we've got 2 seriously lurking townies. Does that sit alright with you?





Firm, jump in here. I still have a town read on you, but everyone's a bit suspicious at this point. I think you're sitting back and trying to get reads from everyone before wading in, but we're down to under 24 hours, have three players lurking heavily, and one COULD read your actions as trying to figure out which buttons to push and threads to pull as scum leading up to the D3 lynch. You've asked Anac about Bio, me about Bio, Bio about me. That's nice, but we're all active. No pressure for the lurkers? Thoughts on the lurkers? I can't seriously believe at this point that we've got 3 townies sitting on their hands, and if we do, we're kind of dead anyway.


Fe fi fo fum.
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
May 17 2012 03:11 GMT
#450
On May 17 2012 10:55 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey Bio, what do you think of austin? Do you think he is scummy for leading the lynch on two townies? Do his actions seem contradictory to you? Why or why not?

I'll provide my thoughts after BioSC responds.


Perhaps I'm just new, but why would you need to wait to post your read on austin after hearing mine? Why don't you just post what you are thinking? Help get discussions going?
Bio - Breaking it down
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
May 17 2012 03:13 GMT
#451
On May 17 2012 12:11 BioSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 10:55 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey Bio, what do you think of austin? Do you think he is scummy for leading the lynch on two townies? Do his actions seem contradictory to you? Why or why not?

I'll provide my thoughts after BioSC responds.


Perhaps I'm just new, but why would you need to wait to post your read on austin after hearing mine? Why don't you just post what you are thinking? Help get discussions going?

Answer the question please. Why are you skirting around such an innocuous and harmless question? I will post what I am thinking in due time.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
May 17 2012 03:19 GMT
#452
I've read it as:

If FirmTofu town: Wants to ensure that if we're mafia we're not sheeping his own thoughts, so trying to get ours out first and then decide if he agrees disagrees. This way we can't just go, "Yeah I think so too." Still takes a decent number of votes to lynch if we've got two candidates, but if we still have inactivity, then Firm voting for someone because of his own reasoning and 1-2 mafia votes on top of that basically means a lynch.

If FirmTofu mafia: Wants all the reads ever to just start screwing with us. Allows for a little more manipulation, lets mafia team see where to poke throughout the day. Also allows him to sheep us.

Can read it either way.

Off to bed for now, hopefully at least a little activity will occur overnight? You know, like CROSSFIRE, HYAACH, AND UNFORGIVEN posting?
Fe fi fo fum.
BioSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States636 Posts
May 17 2012 03:40 GMT
#453
I'm not skirting. I wanted to know why you need to conditionally give out your reads. You have been doing this since late last night cycle and into this day. Withholding information during night I can understand, but during the day? When there are few people actually contributing? We need all the information we can get, be it town reads or mafia misleads, and you can't seem to be bothered with the discussion?

As you asked, here it goes.

His total sum actions to me, came as scummy. If you bothered to read my Anacletus post, there are reasons in there about why, but for brevity's sake, here are a few.

Led/contributed to lynches on 2 townies, one being a blue. Night 1, I was inclined to believe that it was an honest mistake. I changed my vote based on his case and BKE's actions that day, as did many others. Looking at his voting history doesn't exactly help him in that regard, something even he has stated.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 12 2012 08:18 austinmcc wrote:
That, and so many other questions

I know I tunneled him and drove that wagon, but as the day kept going his responses just looked worse and worse. Time for some rereading and a hard look at how votes moved.



Also, with him and the confirmed scum Mufaa never voting for Anacletus, someone I believe to be scum as well, it doesn't read highly towards town to me.

With everything that has happened, It's tough to just toss it away as being unlucky. Coincidences usually happen once or twice. Multiple times, well, that means there is a pattern.

So if you want my read, there it is. I feel he's scummy.

Now. Back to YOU. Again, why do you feel the need to withhold information from the town, asking for others' input before giving your own? That comes off as scummy to me. It comes off as you fishing for information to make the best case against someone, so you can vote in the best interest of your team. That shouldn't be a town strategy. Town, during the day, should be sharing as much information as they can, to make the best decision possible, especially considering that we are winding down with # of people and the obvious # of lurkers we have in this game.

Your last 5 posts have been nothing but fishing for information from people who were posting at the time. Why is that?

You wanted a list of people whom I believed to be scummy. Here it is, updated since the Mufaa shot.

Mufaa, Anacletus, Austin/FirmTofu
Bio - Breaking it down
Anacletus
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States733 Posts
May 17 2012 03:47 GMT
#454
On May 14 2012 12:18 FirmTofu wrote:
If Anacletus flips mafia, austinmcc is nearly certainly mafia. Everything points to it. Buddying is already evident in Anacletus' posts but I'm going to read more to find a substantial argument in favor of this.


Vote to hang me, then you'll get whatever information you're after.

On May 14 2012 10:51 BioSC wrote:
@Analectus: Who did you get to write this for you?


I mashed random keys.

On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote:
I believe that mafia told Anacletus to vote for himself after the rest of the town started having major suspicions against him, to look more "innocent" or "new" to mafia. Once votes started coming in for BKE, he switched his vote over, to finally secure the lynch of a confirmed town. Those are not my words, however. Those are HIS.


Good points, I'd hang me as well.

On May 17 2012 09:48 BioSC wrote:
You still haven't addressed my comments made towards you, Anacletus. I would appreciate if you didn't bury them.


Not burying anything, just hang me,

This is my current thoughts on what is going on. Feel free to discuss. Should Anacletus feel like defending himself, here is what I want to know:

On May 17 2012 07:07 BioSC wrote:
1) Why did the 1 of the 2 people who didn't vote you day 1 turn up scum?
2) Why was a confirmed mafia defending you up until his shot?
3) Why have you only posted a case on me, when there are 2 mafia left? What happens if you get your wish and I'm lynched today? What happens if I flip Town?


How the fuck do I answer why people do what they did? I can only answer why I've been after you, and it's because I think you're mafia.

On May 17 2012 10:04 austinmcc wrote:
I was actually serious when I said he was so questionable that he'd have no chance to drive things in later days and cause chaos, and I've stuck by that, basically skipping over his posts (and also, to some extent, cases on him because I have been refusing to read him).


Huh, well how about that.




So, yeah. I did make what I considered a good analysis post against BioSC, but I think he was the only one to read it, as he was the only one to address it, or even mention it's existence.

So with that in mind, BioSC has me convinced, I must be mafia. He's made a pretty convincing case as is.

##Unvote
##Vote Anacletus


http://talk-to-stimey-please.1324083.n2.nabble.com/
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
May 17 2012 04:38 GMT
#455
Anacletus, you aren't helping my voting yourself and it isn't winning you any town points. It just makes you look like a self-centered brat that doesn't want to take the time to defend himself in the face of an accusation and then wants to go, "I told you so!" when you flip town. I want you to unvote yourself right now and start playing the game because you aren't contributing anything of value yet.

BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Anacletus
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States733 Posts
May 17 2012 04:45 GMT
#456
On May 17 2012 13:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Anacletus, you aren't helping my voting yourself and it isn't winning you any town points. It just makes you look like a self-centered brat that doesn't want to take the time to defend himself in the face of an accusation and then wants to go, "I told you so!" when you flip town. I want you to unvote yourself right now and start playing the game because you aren't contributing anything of value yet.

BioSC has convinced me that he's mafia, I'd advise you to switch your vote back onto him. Mega-post incoming.


I'm not giving up on trying to win. I just figure by the way you guys are playing that I'm more of a liability than anything. So why not just get this done now for a higher chance of winning later.

Not defending one's self doesn't equate to how one acts.

And thank you for calling me a self-centered brat, I will be sure to compile this alongside the other ad hominem that I've receiced, like how my posts aren't worth reading, or how mafia writes my posts for me because I must be too stupid to write them myself.

And this is getting off-topic, so I'll stop defending myself from baseless attacks now.

[Hr]

I'm leaving my vote where it is until I have substantial reason to do otherwise.
http://talk-to-stimey-please.1324083.n2.nabble.com/
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
May 17 2012 04:54 GMT
#457
I didn't call you a self-centered brat. I said your actions make you look like one. It wasn't an ad hominem attack. To be clear, I think you are town and I do not see any benefit in lynching you aorn. Please unvote yourself before the two mafia decide to take advantage of the fact that you are voting yourself. You don't have to vote BioSC, just take off the vote on yourself for the time being, thanks.

Back to writing megapost.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
May 17 2012 04:54 GMT
#458
Im really sorry for no posting much, but real life has me covered. Im lurking not because i want, just because i cant post. i just came home and the first thing i do is check this thread.

now, anacletus. this is just getting ridiculous...even if you are a town, you are playing for the mafia team. Im convinced you are mafia, but still, theres someone over you on my list, i stand by my vote.

Austin: + Show Spoiler +
I have a couple reads taking some shape. My four main suspects so far are, Anacletus(for obvious reasons), Mufaa (being very passive, maybe i dont belive his works excuses), Shaopi (super active at first, then just defending his BIG list and a couple post naming Broodking) and Jailbraker (2 post, whitout much information,


you MISSED to quote THIS POST
You can see im not the only one suspecting of Mufaa, im just not buying that kind of "clean play", no time to play, a couple of long depth analysis post, go back to lurk and come whit another "great" analysis.


Till D2 i just fell I HAD no real reasons to start a case against someone. I gave my reason of why voting for myself at first on D1, i just had no read on anyone besides Anacletus, and i fell for your analysis about BKE. D2 is another thing, real life just happened.

and i gave you my top 2 suspects, im just indecisive over my 3rd vote!

My top 3:
+ Show Spoiler +

austincc
Anacletus

Dahdum/Mufaa/Hyaach maybe bio/crossfire

:)
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
May 17 2012 05:13 GMT
#459
you dont see me posting LONG DEPTH ANALYSIS because we havent had much to work on, besides lame reads based of a couple posts, i want to base my suspicions on actions, how people behave and voting patterns. (i confess, i thought this game were the kind in wich you get subtle clues and histories for night actions.)

i know everyone "wants" to be the town leader or just enhance his investigation skill, but come one, we cant get the ball rolling just posting a couple lines and attacking someone at the end of the day.

So, Austin, are you a townie? tell me who is your top one read.

also, Dont start whit the big letters please, i see that as a sign of desperation.
:)
Unforgiven_ve
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Venezuela1232 Posts
May 17 2012 05:14 GMT
#460
ebwop: i will try to log in tomorrow, i promise
:)
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