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On May 05 2010 07:02 DarthThienAn wrote:
@giving people vests, it makes mafia immune to serial killer kills as well... which is a luck-based thing, but IT STILL PROTECTS THEM at night. So I think we need something more creative that just bulletproof vests =[. The alternative is doing it anyway and assuming our information will get better if we delay the game. But we don't really want to save mafia - I can see this still being done, but there's gotta be something better, any ideas? >_>
Also, do we want to take a closer look at the inactive people? ie. Amnesia, who basically hasn't posted ANYTHING here. Read: mafia scum trying to hide and stay out of the spotlight, or: busy with life, and still useless -__-. Other players have been posting from time to time, although some of them post worthless these (maybe that includes me, from other's perspectives...)
I think there should be a way to work with that CV+medic dealio, but I'm gonna go back to the drawing board on that.
I'd rather rely on the town's lynches than a serial killer who is not working for the town for killing mafia. Thanks for confirming yourself as likely serial killer though.
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On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there.
Judging from the RCs we've seen so far, I feel like we're missing a LOT of roles. We weren't really clear about which roles to get in the beginning (despite that one post by you) and it seems like several players "missed" the PMing and are Vanilla. Assuming no one's lying of course -_-.
Since we sort of prioritized roleblocker, though, I'm worried that someone might not have gotten it.
im out though ><
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
A quick off topic post: At what point does Amnesia get modkilled?? How long can one go without posting? He's been active on other parts of the site, but has either given up on the game or is hardcore lurking.
Also, an invention that keeps evil-doers away would be good to give out. Like the night-light that Opz suggested. It doesn't protect against those who are pure at heart etc. Better than armor in that it stops serial killer hits, and doesn't stop town aligned hits.
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On May 05 2010 07:19 Radfield wrote:
A quick off topic post: At what point does Amnesia get modkilled?? How long can one go without posting? He's been active on other parts of the site, but has either given up on the game or is hardcore lurking.
Also, an invention that keeps evil-doers away would be good to give out. Like the night-light that Opz suggested. It doesn't protect against those who are pure at heart etc. Better than armor in that it stops serial killer hits, and doesn't stop town aligned hits.
I'm cool with that if Ace allows it.
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On May 05 2010 06:54 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:30 Radfield wrote:Korynne is a girl folks, or at the very least, has roleclaimed girl  lol. Korynne, that doesn't tell us anything, why'd you roleclaim? Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:46 Radfield wrote:
In my eyes, it would be very strange for picks 1-5 to take copy cat. They can already take a good role, the only reason to take copy cat would be to deny Qatol a role.
7 and 8 are dead.
Qatol has cleared up his position in his recent novel, I'm inclined to believe him.
For now this leaves Sidesprang(9) and Opz(6). Opz at 6 is on that bubble of not making much sense to pick CC, but he might have. He also claims he went for CompVig, but of course his claim doesn't mean much for now.
Sidesprang, you happen to be at the perfect spot for taking CopyCat.
On another note. I hadn't realized we can vote on the CV hits at night. But of course this makes perfect sense and is what we should be doing.
Opz is also suspicious to me though. He claims he went for CompVig AFTER Korynne already stated that she went for it and failed - not only is that a useless roleclaim, but it's completely un-confirmable, which makes me think he might be lying. Well, you can confirm with a Role Check but that requires the Role Cop to claim, which obviously is not a good idea. His pointing out that going CC is retarded makes that just a little bit more suspicious, trying to cover his tracks and whatnot. He's also been (in general) against most of what the town has been saying, and without much justification, which is scummy to me. Definitely agree with the CV at night deal. I have a question though (read Qatol's post), who are we lynching? He/Rad I think suggested Day Vig'ing sidesprang and then lynching someone else? And what do we do in the case that no one picked Day Vig? Back to reading that essay -_-
And when I die, I hope they read your name as the perpetrator who hath slain me.
Just because I refuse to led around like a sheep? You go be sheep. I've also defended killing Qatol, which quite a few people jumped on that to say he should die, just based on role claims alone. Eh?
Please appear less scummy to the green towny plz Darth. Thank you.
Oh, and seriously, go look me up. I've been mafia once? I was silent the entire game. And every game I'm townie, I always say F the towns sheepness.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance.
At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered.
I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him.
Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia.
On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped.
I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day.
And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today.
On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor.
I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not.
On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
2 things of note:
1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent.
This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this.
On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness?
That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople.
On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there.
Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point.
You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night.
On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first.
We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia).
On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted.
If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill.
On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he?
Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right?
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On May 05 2010 07:02 DarthThienAn wrote:
@giving people vests, it makes mafia immune to serial killer kills as well... which is a luck-based thing, but IT STILL PROTECTS THEM at night. So I think we need something more creative that just bulletproof vests =[. The alternative is doing it anyway and assuming our information will get better if we delay the game. But we don't really want to save mafia - I can see this still being done, but there's gotta be something better, any ideas? >_>
Also, do we want to take a closer look at the inactive people? ie. Amnesia, who basically hasn't posted ANYTHING here. Read: mafia scum trying to hide and stay out of the spotlight, or: busy with life, and still useless -__-. Other players have been posting from time to time, although some of them post worthless these (maybe that includes me, from other's perspectives...)
I think there should be a way to work with that CV+medic dealio, but I'm gonna go back to the drawing board on that.
SK smacks straight through bullet proof vests...SK couldn't win if he couldn't do that.
-_-...I said pass out vet kits...They are kinda better than BP as they protect against SK. Also, do you really feel the mafia are going to hit someone they failed at hitting AGAIN?
-_-
Oh, and I said that earlier Darth, but BM's epic 8 posts pushed it so I guess no one paid much attention to that idea. Detective kits/Vet kits...Doesn't matter...Vet kits pretty much guarantee SK fail though...Lol...
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Yay!! People actually payed attention to my epic invention idea!! =D
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Okay, I have another new (old) suspect for us. Enter johnnyspazz once more:
+ Show Spoiler [Posts in other threads] +On May 05 2010 06:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
i got the town-check pm
i did not get the "you were protected" pm On May 05 2010 07:04 johnnyspazz wrote:
i like hobbes's vote without any reason
scummy imo
He posted in Nano-MAFIA 1 and 2 a little over an hour ago, but hasn't posted in this thread at all. This isn't exactly out of character for him this game either.
When I first proposed my numbers plan, I took note of the players who were posting elsewhere in the forum but not here (figuring that the mafia would want to talk things out before making a move). He was one of them.
+ Show Spoiler [Numbers Plan] +On May 01 2010 14:09 Qatol wrote:Okay, fun time. I've been doing some thinking about the game setup and have some thoughts for the town going forward:
The first major item of note is this: + Show Spoiler [Vanilla Scum] +
You are Vanilla Scum!
The ability to kill 1 player per night belongs to you. One of you must PM me a kill for the night even though all 4 of you participate in the kill.
Remember you can coordinate your # picks during the draft phase. The Mafia team this round consists of: Jack, Jill, this bottle and my ecstasy pills!
You win when you outnumber the town, or there is no way for them to stop you from outnumbering them.
This tells us 2 things: 1. The mafia only have 1 KP in a game with 19 players. They also only have 4 members. Why is this important? With all the rolecheck abilities out there, the mafia are unlikely to stand much of a chance unless they get some very powerful roles. 2. The mafia team knew who each other were during the draft phase and were allowed to communicate with each other during said phase. Assuming they talked to each other at all, they did not overlap with each other. These 2 points lead us to a pretty simple conclusion: The mafia made sure they have very low numbers and their numbers were probably consecutive in order to guarantee that they would wind up with powerful role choices. I wouldn't be surprised if they did something like: [3] [1] [4] [1] [5] [1] [6] [1] in order to avoid overlapping with the town as much as possible while still keeping near the top. I think it is unlikely that they bid a [1] [1] or even a [2] [1] just because they were worried the town would also bid those numbers. Bill Murray already claimed he bid [1] [1]. I wouldn't be surprised if this was actually the case. I think L probably bid [2] [1] hoping that people would stack on 1. The people I'm looking at right now are these people in particular: 3. Foolishness 4. Korynne 5. Falcynn I strongly believe that 1 or 2 of them are mafia. They are also likely to go for the roles the mafia will rely upon for the game. Remember that aside from the Copy Cat (which would be a risky role for the mafia to take), if the mafia want a role that gives them additional KP, they are likely to take it with these picks. I'm specifically thinking that the mafia here will be targeting Jack of All Trades, Day Vigilante, and Vengeful Player. Keep these 3 players in mind for later.
I also propose that people announce something: whether or not you moved down and what you bid. Why would you do that and why would it matter? Because it gives us an idea of what range people bid in. Remember, we want to piece together who bid what because the mafia did not stack numbers on top of each other. I realize that the mafia can lie about this, but it really doesn't matter. If they lie about their bidding numbers, then the town has an opportunity to catch them in a lie based on who else bid that number. If someone moved down, they are placed in a group with the people around them. When you find a mafia in that group, it increases the level of trust with the people around you. With this in mind, I would like to announce that I moved down. I bid [6] [1] thinking that the mafia might try for consecutive numbers starting between 2 and 4. That would mean that they would end between 6 and 8. I'm almost positive I overlapped with one of the mafia. This means that we should also be looking very hard at: 10. sidesprang 12. JeeJee I confirmed with Ace that this situation: A - [3] [1] B - [3] [1] C - [5] [1] D - [5] [2] will result in: A and B are ordered randomly, C, D. The second tie does not move you down a second time. This means that anyone who moved down yet is still above me bid at least a 6. Everyone below me moved down AND bid at most a 6. If you bid between 3 and 5 and moved down, it is especially important that you speak up.
Why am I coming forward with this information right now and not after roles are selected? Because I want the town to deny the mafia the most powerful roles or at the very least control their use. We can't stop the mafia from taking roles to increase their KP, but we can still control who gets what role and try to keep the mafia away from the 3 most important ones: Inventor, Compulsive Vigilante, and Role Blocker. Why are these roles especially important? The first 2 provide the mafia with kill power EVERY NIGHT. The third one allows the mafia flexibility to get around this plan. Therefore, I want Bill Murray to take Inventor and L's replacement to take Compulsive Vigilante. Foolishness will take Roleblocker.Bill Murray, you will be making meth bombs (if Ace allows it) or at least bulletproof vests for people every night. The day post will confirm that you followed these directions. This way you cannot give the mafia additional kill power. L's replacement, the town will be directing your shots. We will vote during the day on your hit. Foolishness, you will not be roleblocking anyone. If anyone claims to be roleblocked, we will immediately lynch you. Roleblocks are much stronger for the mafia than they are for the town. I would just as soon nobody get them.
tl;dr:Look hard at these 5:3. Foolishness 4. Korynne 5. Falcynn 10. sidesprang 12. JeeJee Claim your numbers. Revealing this information does not hurt the town but does hurt the mafia.Bill Murray, L's replacement, Foolishness: you have additional instructions. Read them.
+ Show Spoiler [His posts] +From Nano-MAFIA 1: On May 01 2010 15:27 johnnyspazz wrote:
##signup##
sup Nano-MAFIA 2: On May 01 2010 15:27 johnnyspazz wrote:
##signup## On May 02 2010 01:29 johnnyspazz wrote:
I picked [8][4]. Good call darth
Because of this, and because he wasn't contributing, I pushed for him to get lynched. Notice that no bandwagon formed at all. I believe this is because the mafia didn't want to see him lynched. They only joined the voting for him after they were sure it wouldn't pass.
I even called him out on his lack of contribution:
+ Show Spoiler +On May 02 2010 17:32 Qatol wrote:+ Show Spoiler [Bid list] +
1. Bill Murray - [17] [4]
2. Foolishness - [1] [1]
3. Korynne - [1] [5]
4. Falcynn [1] [5-20] or [4] [1] - hasn't claimed
5. [NyC]HoBbes - [4] [1]
6. ~Opz~ - [4] [14]
7. d3_crescentia - [4] [14]
8. Caller - [6] [1]
9. sidesprang - [6] [1]
10. Qatol - [6] [1]
11. JeeJee - [6] [1]
12. DarthThienAn - [8] [1]
13. johnnyspazz - [8] [4]
14. Amnesia [8] [4-20] or [10] [1] - hasn't claimed
15. Radfield - [10] [1]
16. Scamp - [10] [11]
17. Zona - [12] [1]
18. citi.zen - [12] [3]
This gives us a few potential groups: + Show Spoiler [Group 1] ++ Show Spoiler [Group 2] +
Foolishness
Korynne
Falcynn
Falcynn
Hobbes
Opz
d3_crescentia
Caller
sidesprang
Qatol
JeeJee
DarthThienAn
johnnyspazz
Amnesia
So we have 4 mafia and 7 potential groups. There is likely only 1 mafia in each group unless they lied about their numbers. Either way, these groups are a starting point. For the first lynch, I propose that we do not select anyone in groups 1-3. The mafia likely have control of the copy cat role, and those groups are where we will likely find the most powerful roles. Of those, I have picked out 5 players who have not contributed from that list: Caller - claimed only his role and that nobody told him about role selection sidesprang - claimed his number and some sort of reasoning, but nothing else JeeJee - complained about the tiebreaks and pointed out that the town likes even numbers johnnyspazz - gave his numbers Amnesia - hasn't contributed at all + we don't have his numbers These are my thoughts on each of the 5: Caller - He likes to troll and be generally useless early in games. I don't have a strong read on his role yet. However, if he's innocent, it is also possible that he doesn't have a role because he forgot to send in a role selection PM. I don't want to take that chance quite yet. sidesprang - Relatively new player. I know he's played in a few games, but I don't know much about his posting habits. I'm going to have to go back and read his previous games to get a feel for his behavior, but I feel like he should be more active than this. JeeJee - He can be pretty iffy with his activity as well. He has had some pretty inactive games in the past, but I was very impressed with his play in WaW mafia. He needs to start talking more. johnnyspazz - Another relatively new player. However, he told me that he has been receiving coaching from Incognito. If this is the case, I find it hard to believe that he would be contributing this little when innocent. Major red flags here. Amnesia - I know nothing about him. Is this his first game? He sure doesn't seem to have his bearings about him, posting but not giving us his numbers. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now, but he needs to get up to speed and start contributing. Obviously, I'm going to have to go back and do a little more research when it isn't 4am, but for right now, I think johnnyspazz is our best lynch target. ## vote: johnnyspazzI may change this later, but we need to be discussing suspects. Let's get talking, guys and Korynne! As for what to do about Korynne's role discrepancy, I don't think there is much we CAN do about it at least until night time. But we need to think about using our alignment checks on the early part of the list. Let's just focus on making sure the town contributes and the mafia are forced to talk for right now.
His response:
[spoiler[On May 02 2010 18:20 johnnyspazz wrote:
wow ok so i skipped the part where i was supposed to pm a role to ace, gg me
as for voting for me, i guess that would be a great start since you wouldn't be losing anyone important. as for incognito "coaching" me, all he did was refer me to good players such as yourself qatol to ask for advice. last game i tried to be super active and that only turned the town against me.
let me guess, people are going to accuse me for being a lurker and responding when a vote is casted on me. well, there's nothing i can really do if i was busy all day and when i get the chance to read the thread, there's a vote on me by the end. coincidences happen [/spoiler]
And then he goes right back to lurking/ not contributing.
So johnnyspazz: why so quiet?
**NOTE: this is not to indicate that I am pushing lynching anyone other than sidesprang. We need to get a lynch through and that one is the most likely to get through. However, johnnyspazz should be HEAVILY considered if we day vigi sidesprang or with the compulsive vigi hit.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
On May 05 2010 06:30 Radfield wrote:Korynne is a girl folks, or at the very least, has roleclaimed girl
I made this mistake as well^^
On May 05 2010 07:19 Radfield wrote:
A quick off topic post: At what point does Amnesia get modkilled??
Bringing this to your attention, Ace, in case you miss it the first time.
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Foolishness. You basically have to claim.
Mafia knows whether BM, you, and/or me is mafia.
#1 BM is mafia.
He can get another mafia to take inventor, and he can steal compvig from town. In this case, you should claim NOT compvig. And we deal with Bill. (by deal with I mean confirm his alignment somehow, and lynch me if necessary)
#2 You and/or BM are mafia.
Well, if you claim compvig, we go wtf why did you do that when I was supposed to take it. If you claim NOT compvig either you or Bill is lying, we can lynch me and then deal with you.
#3 I am mafia.
Well then I am retarded...my plan involves lynching me first to confirm.
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Amnesia has 3 hours to post or I'll modkill him/her
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On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
2 things of note:
1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right?
Why have you been talking about comp vig in the third person...If korynne picked at comp vig and got plain townie...either you or bill picked it.
Johnnyspazz does seem suspicious...but not everyone comments on every plan...
Hell, ask citizen, I pm'd him either before/after the game started (not sure at the time, and didn't mean to but I got dupe'd). I sent him 4, BEFORE I even understood we had to pick two numbers. Sorry I've been busy for a lil while, but damn. Didn't have time to read all the plans before the game began, and I sent Ace both numbers (citizen told me I needed two numbers actually...-________-)
Dunno...Sorry for the fuck up, but bleh....Goes as far as I can to clarify I didn't read the thread to hard then or the OP...I mixed up who was assisting the host. I can even direct you to the post that dupe'd me.
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Foolishness, let me address your post in pieces:
On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered.
Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?
I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him.
Agreed. I feel much better about johnnyspazz, but after the day 1 voting fiasco, I don't trust the town to get their act together in time on anyone except sidesprang. I also think there is a decent chance that he is mafia. At the very least, he hasn't been helpful at all. I'm willing to gamble on this one.
Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia.
Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day.
Fine. I nominate johnnyspazz. We can worry about the higher people on the list later.
And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not.
Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
2 things of note:
1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point.
Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth.
You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night.
In which case nobody except the mafia will claim to be roleblocked and I'm happy.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia).
I think Amnesia is a useless townie. He's too prominent to be mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia want to use him as a scapegoat. johnnyspazz > Amnesia
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill.
And I think we need to clear the DayVigi from our suspect list. That would be easier if they took their shot.
Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right?
We can't do anything BUT trust that it did what it was supposed to do at this point. But he really needs to be giving something else out: tracking kits, vet lives, dt kits. I would say meth bombs except I'm still not sure that Cell Phone isn't a detonator.
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Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP
But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role.
So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town.
So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town).
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On May 05 2010 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
2 things of note:
1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? Why have you been talking about comp vig in the third person...If korynne picked at comp vig and got plain townie...either you or bill picked it. Johnnyspazz does seem suspicious...but not everyone comments on every plan... Hell, ask citizen, I pm'd him either before/after the game started (not sure at the time, and didn't mean to but I got dupe'd). I sent him 4, BEFORE I even understood we had to pick two numbers. Sorry I've been busy for a lil while, but damn. Didn't have time to read all the plans before the game began, and I sent Ace both numbers (citizen told me I needed two numbers actually...-________-) Dunno...Sorry for the fuck up, but bleh....Goes as far as I can to clarify I didn't read the thread to hard then or the OP...I mixed up who was assisting the host. I can even direct you to the post that dupe'd me. -__-...
Really? Then why was his first post afterwards his numbers? But then you aren't exactly clean to me either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mafia had 4 of these 5: you, johnnyspazz, foolishness, jeejee, sidesprang
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On May 05 2010 08:59 Korynne wrote:
Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP
Oh yes. Very much so. It took a few people several tries before they started referring to me as "she" and "her." And here I thought I had such a girly-sounding name too!
Okay, now I'm done uselessly trolling.
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On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:Foolishness, let me address your post in pieces: Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~? Show nested quote +
I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him.
Agreed. I feel much better about johnnyspazz, but after the day 1 voting fiasco, I don't trust the town to get their act together in time on anyone except sidesprang. I also think there is a decent chance that he is mafia. At the very least, he hasn't been helpful at all. I'm willing to gamble on this one. Show nested quote +Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. Fine. I nominate johnnyspazz. We can worry about the higher people on the list later. Show nested quote +And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
2 things of note:
1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. Show nested quote +You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. In which case nobody except the mafia will claim to be roleblocked and I'm happy. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). I think Amnesia is a useless townie. He's too prominent to be mafia. I wouldn't be surprised if the mafia want to use him as a scapegoat. johnnyspazz > Amnesia Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. And I think we need to clear the DayVigi from our suspect list. That would be easier if they took their shot. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? We can't do anything BUT trust that it did what it was supposed to do at this point. But he really needs to be giving something else out: tracking kits, vet lives, dt kits. I would say meth bombs except I'm still not sure that Cell Phone isn't a detonator.
Hey hey hey home boy, you're all over the map. You just supported my night light....and now give like a million other ideas? Meth Bombs work nice I suppose...Kill sk/comp vig/mafia...
But I just like my idea better...it's original. And I've defended the thought of killing you?! How have I attacked you Qatol? Or poked holes in your credibility...Hell I have yet to fully analyze any of your posts fully.
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Guess I need to go back and read my posts too...
P.s. Qatol, you are kinda being all over the map tho...
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We only have a few more hours till the end of the day. Let try to get enough votes in to get a lynch this time.
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On May 05 2010 09:01 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 08:55 ~OpZ~ wrote:On May 05 2010 08:27 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
I have a slightly different stance: Do not claim unless you have something to contribute. My claim told us that the copycat is likely in mafia hands (or at least a townie working against the town). Korynne's claim was important too because it told us that someone in the first 2 players is playing against the town. Just giving us your role isn't important or useful. You need to be able to give the town important information by roleclaiming.
Thanks for saving me the trouble of having to post something like this...although I kinda already did in an indirect stance. At the very least, if someone can give me a good reason why I should be upfront about my role I'll gladly say something. But I don't see any reason. I think people are REALLY overlooking the fact that almost anybody could be lying about what role they have. Has anyone ever thought that Qatol lied about taking the copycat and is in fact some other role? Personally I don't think it's true, but all options must be considered. I just find it so hard to believe that so many people near the top of the draft did not get a role. It seems so unbelievable, especially when you know a few roles are going to get grabbed by the top few players (it was even discussed in Qatol's plan in the thread). When you could easily snag any other role why go for one of those? Opz says he picked his role without reading the thread. That's garbage in my opinion. sidesprang still looks fishy, but when he says someone is definitely lying, I can't help but feel for him. Again, I'm not saying anything about my role unless someone can provide good reason. As I believe there are huge incentives to lie, I think that myself claiming could only distract from what needs to be done. At the same time, it seems that everyone is blindly believing what everyone says about their role, and I think you all should consider things from my perspective first. What if I had listened to Qatol and took the roleblocker, do you really think I'm going to come out about it now? That'd be a shit storm. If I waited a day or two, then my position could become more believable depending on who dies and who we find is mafia. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
Your plan for voting on CompVig kills is solid, except I think we should be doing it during the night. Often the lynch gives information. I'd rather make that kill when I'm as informed as possible. As you said earlier, Korynne probably tried to take CompVig. It was the role we assigned to her. I would be very surprised if she tried to take anything else. This means that CompVig is somewhere in the first 2 roles. I'm more worried that Inventor slipped. I approve this message, however given the inactivity of voting yesterday (I think more people did NOT vote than actually voted...) I don't recommend this. Obviously if something big comes up and it's really clear that we need to change who the CompVig hits, then sure. Otherwise we should pick during the day. And speaking of which, that needs to be decided upon as well as the lynch today. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
On May 04 2010 05:38 Bill Murray wrote:
Well, I have just been informed I would have to only give my newspaper to one person. I had considered this, and as a result I will be inventing someone else like a gun to give someone. I am not 100% sure what it will be yet.
Okay, Bill has just confirmed that he has taken inventor. I don't see how this confirms anything. Have we not considered BM is lying about being inventor? Does this idea not seem so far fetched? Remember this is BM we're dealing it. Imagine this scenario: instead of finding out the inventor made a cell phone, we find out the inventor made a life-vest or something. Of course we're going to be like, ...wtf at first, but then we see BM makes a post right under of "sorry guys, I realized that my plan to form a town circle wasn't going to work, so I went and did this instead, since it was discussed in thread". I'm pretty sure the general reaction to everyone would be "ughh....Bill Murray..." and that'd be the end of it. Yet if anyone else tried that I'm sure they'd be under heavy pressure right now, and they'd be first candidate for lynch. Ya'll think BM is really this stupid? I've played enough games with the guy to know he's not. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
2 things of note:
1. The invention of a cell phone. This does NOT confirm Bill Murray's innocence yet. There is still a mafia use for a cell phone. Cell phones are frequently used to detonate bombs. If we start seeing bombs given out, then the inventor (probably not Bill) is mafia. Otherwise, the inventor (Bill) is innocent. This kinda seems contradictory with what you said above, but yes. I wrote my spiel above before I saw this. On May 05 2010 06:36 Qatol wrote:
How about we day vigi Sidesprang and then look at lynching Foolishness? That's great and all except we're trying to lynch mafia, not townspeople. On May 05 2010 06:54 Qatol wrote:
Oh another thing I want to know: was anyone roleblocked last night? We need to know if there is a roleblocker out there. Ace said he will PM the person if they got roleblocked, irregardless if they have a role or not. I don't think revealing if you got roleblocked means anything unless you're obviously town, which is nobody at this point. You also said roleblocker can choose to not roleblock someone. Considering you wanted me to pick the roleblocker and do exactly that for the entire game, maybe that's what happened during the night. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
The compusive vig is interesting because people really want to see what happens with it, but why I can't say. If the mafia has CV as well as day vig that's a lot of KP that's going to be pointed our way. I also don't really see how the CV is that beneficial to the town. Sure, it's like a double lynch, but this isn't a big game and the mafia KP is very small. Why is it good to double-lynch all the time? Better than having it in mafia hands, I guess, but I don't see it as that good a thing.
I do like having a CV-directing discussion because there's also a serial killer out there as well. The thing about the serial killer is that he wants to help town until the very end. Perhaps he'll start targeting townies if we get a few mafia really early, but that's the only reason why he'd try and kill town (unless the tracker is discovered). He'll lose if the mafia win, so he needs to kill mafia, and he needs to kill them first. We should be talking about this right now. As far as I can see it, sidesprang is dead unless he posts again. Until that time let's figure out who else to kill. If you think sidesprang's alignment should influence who we kill at night, say so and give people to kill in each situation. If Amnesia is not going to get modkilled, I vote him. While he's a good candidate to lynch, I feel like using the CompVig to kill inactives is safer (more so because we can all agree on it. I don't want to be in a scenario where the town is 50/50 on deciding who the CompVig is to hit because that more or less leaves it up to the CompVig to decide, which is bad in the event the CompVig is mafia). On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information. If he flips green then someone in the top ten is lying? Yeah, I could have told you that without lynching him, since I can tell you that right now. Multiple people in the top ten are lying, all the vanilla claims should have made that obvious.
While looking at the numbers is interesting and all, talking about mafia taking the same numbers and the like is silly. It's especially silly as a defense. People could, y'know, be lying about their numbers.
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted. If sidesprang doesn't post more than we should definitely lynch him. His defense means nothing if he doesn't follow it up. Personally, I think if there's a dayVigi they should wait until later on to use their kill. On May 05 2010 06:00 Scamp wrote:
Bill never explained what that phone was supposed to do, did he? Nope. But even if he gave some wavy explanation, you'd totally believe him like everyone else right? Why have you been talking about comp vig in the third person...If korynne picked at comp vig and got plain townie...either you or bill picked it. Johnnyspazz does seem suspicious...but not everyone comments on every plan... Hell, ask citizen, I pm'd him either before/after the game started (not sure at the time, and didn't mean to but I got dupe'd). I sent him 4, BEFORE I even understood we had to pick two numbers. Sorry I've been busy for a lil while, but damn. Didn't have time to read all the plans before the game began, and I sent Ace both numbers (citizen told me I needed two numbers actually...-________-) Dunno...Sorry for the fuck up, but bleh....Goes as far as I can to clarify I didn't read the thread to hard then or the OP...I mixed up who was assisting the host. I can even direct you to the post that dupe'd me. -__-... Really? Then why was his first post afterwards his numbers? But then you aren't exactly clean to me either. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the mafia had 4 of these 5: you, johnnyspazz, foolishness, jeejee, sidesprang
Wanna make a wager?
First let me show how you were wrong...
Post that duped me (he has since edited it)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=4#75
Very next post by citizen. (Not his numbers)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=5#85
Now, how about when I die, you agree die next? Or lets kill sidesprang, and day vigi foolishness. You sure seem to be screaming scum to me right now, Qatol. As I've said, you're all over the map and need to calm down. I know everyone else see's it. I don't need six pages worth of posts and contradictions to show it.
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I can quote some of yours, and I highly doubt you'll be an idiot misguided townie with your attack on me. Just reread some of your own statements. I've defended you, not attacked you. While I didn't notice Johnnyspazz was posting other places, and I'm happier killing foolishness or korynne because CLEARLY one of them is lying about CV. I picked it too, and foolishness calls me stupid for picking it. I picked it because...well...Vig really isn't that insanely powerful. Dt's are more important in my opinion. I just felt I'd be better sitting around and slaughtering individuals. I wanted to power to murder. I wanted to feel like the mafia! But sadly...I fucked myself and should of picked Jack. Or Meth. I spoke about my role because if everyone feels like USING the comp vig, then we might as well know who he is right?
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