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As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled.
funny you should say this because i didn't even play in flamewheel's game
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On May 05 2010 11:55 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 08:59 Korynne wrote:
Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP
But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role.
So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town.
So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town). Have you not read anything Qatol or I have said about NOT claiming as claiming only helps the mafia? I said in my post, I will claim if it is necessary and bring impertinent information to the town. Right now me claiming does no good, so I'm not going to. You can be upset that you didn't get your role (if you're even telling the truth here), but that doesn't mean you have to force me to claim and help the mafia (but who am I kidding, you already did that yesterday, great job there btw). On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?
Why do you care so much about this fact? Why are you putting so much emphasis on YOUR credibility? Nobody other than yourself knows that you are innocent (unless someone checked you or something), and yet you expect us to just blindly believe everything you say? You're sounding more and more like BM as the game goes on. You're honestly expecting everyone in the town to just believe everything you say. Saying this is what is causing me to doubt your credibility, not anything else you say. Furthermore, my paragraph in which I said those things had NOTHING to do with your credibility. It was about people lying in general, and I just picked you as an example. There are huge benefits in this game to lying about what role you got or what numbers you picked, no matter what side you are on (I can clarify this point if need be). I'm trying to raise this point up because people are just believing anyone is saying. At this stage in the game, some things are not adding up right with what everyone is saying. Somebody has to be lying, somebody who's talking a lot probably. There are things left unsaid that need to be answered (what did BM's invention actually do?). Opz wants to kill me and you're calling us buddies? o.O Maybe I want credibility because I'm sick and tired of being ignored? (notice how early I tried to focus on a lynch on day 1 yet we still managed to have a no lynch? People didn't even really argue about it? They just focused on the roles and didn't even worry about the lynch.) (additionally, notice that nobody other than opz has even mentioned that analysis of johnnyspazz - how is the guy this slippery when he isn't even posting?) Anyways, I'm done with this. Just don't stop reading my posts. If you disagree with the logic in them, point it out like Zona did earlier. Dismissing them out of hand or saying that I am expecting you to just follow them does not help anyone. If you aren't persuaded, tell me why. Please clarify your point about why you would want to lie about your numbers if you're innocent. Yeah, after thinking about it, I don't think there's any reason to lie about your numbers, especially now that the draft's far over and we kinda have an idea of who's what. I can be sympathetic of you being tired of being ignored. However first day you were here early, then you just disappeared for a long while, which didn't help your cause (yeah I know you were sick, but if you hadn't been and had been around during this time we'd be in a much different position about you methinks). And contrary, I haven't dismissed any of your posts, more of I'm questioning your attitude. I'm not persuaded because it seems to me you're taking up a BM attitude here: "guys, it's obvious I'm greener than grass, you should listen to me". Frankly, it's not obvious to us (although your constant activity right now helps). That's why I kept mentioning of thinking things from everyone's perspective, and to think of all possibilities, however ridiculous. As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Which is what I'm skeptical about when I mention this. In any other mafia game, it's not very well in a townspersons' interest to lie about their role. In this game it is very well in their interest. You claimed you picked copycat and didn't get the role. What I think is equally as likely (I'm not accusing you) is that you picked some other role instead. Let's assume for a moment that you are town. Given how much you emphasized in the thread you were taking copycat, it goes without saying that probably nobody below you picked it (and thus can't counter confirm your choice). Then after the picks were done you said in the thread, "hey guys I didn't get my role...wtf" (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Now the mafia think you're a green townie and won't bother hitting you. If you picked a good town role (a cop, medic, tracker, or something) you're in a great position to just do your thing for the next few days. What I'm trying to say is, even if I come out with information that says "hey guys...either BM or Korynne is lying", that doesn't necessarily mean one of us is mafia. I'll reserve my judgment on this until I see the first CompVig hit. But if they aren't following the town, you NEED to speak up. On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. BM said before the picks went out that he didn't even want the inventor role. I think it's possible that nobody on the list picked inventor. Or if you're lower on the list, you picked inventor and got it, would you really come out and say so? Maybe, but if I was low on the list, and was actually the inventor, I'd be very very very scared about claiming. Hell I had second pick on the draft and I'm scared to claim as it is. And you're 'if' statement there says "If he's innocent,...". What if he's not? I'm just trying to account for all possibilities here, because it seems to me nobody else is. And I think that it is impossible that nobody picked the inventor because we saw a cell phone made. After Bill said that he was trying to make a town circle and something about being able to PM on day 4. After Bill was talking about making a town circle. It sure seems to me like he has the role or is working with the person that has it. And yes, if I were the one with the inventor role, I would roleclaim. Why? because it means we have found someone actively working against the town (Bill). Right, my bad on that, there must be an inventor. However, if BM didn't take inventor and it fell into the mafia hands, they might have incentive to keep quiet about it. And I still say BM could have picked a cop with a "i'm going to win this game for the town when i come out with all this information day 3!!!!" attitude. Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote:
I'm kinda confused by this. What I originally meant was that claiming you got roleblocked says nothing of whether you have a special role or not. You mention that either a town or mafia member could claim to get roleblocked, and what I was saying is that if someone claims to get roleblocked, it doesn't reveal much information. This would only help later in the game if they died or if someone had checked them or something. All I want to know is whether we have a roleblocker out there working against us. Personally, I'd like to know what the mafia can do. Maybe it won't matter, maybe we wind up in a situation where we should have a DT roleclaim while we drop our medic on them. I'd like to know if that is an option. Fair enough.
The reason I'm taking this attitude is because I want people to think for themselves and realize that what I'm saying makes logical sense. The only true leap of faith I've asked of anyone so far was that I tried to take and didn't get copycat. I realize that this one is a leap of faith which I'm hoping my behavior will speak for. Other than that, I am hoping that my posts make sense from a logical point of view. Have I said anything else which you think requires a leap of faith? It means that the logic hasn't come through entirely, and that should be rectified.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 05 2010 12:01 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +
As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled.
funny you should say this because i didn't even play in flamewheel's game
flamewheel's TL mafia XX
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If BM didn't take inventor and it fell into mafia hands then BM is mafia. I can't think of any scenerio other than that, mainly because who would try to pick inventor unless they knew for a fact that it was still there after the first pick?
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 05 2010 12:02 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 11:55 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote:On May 05 2010 08:59 Korynne wrote:
Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP
But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role.
So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town.
So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town). Have you not read anything Qatol or I have said about NOT claiming as claiming only helps the mafia? I said in my post, I will claim if it is necessary and bring impertinent information to the town. Right now me claiming does no good, so I'm not going to. You can be upset that you didn't get your role (if you're even telling the truth here), but that doesn't mean you have to force me to claim and help the mafia (but who am I kidding, you already did that yesterday, great job there btw). On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~?
Why do you care so much about this fact? Why are you putting so much emphasis on YOUR credibility? Nobody other than yourself knows that you are innocent (unless someone checked you or something), and yet you expect us to just blindly believe everything you say? You're sounding more and more like BM as the game goes on. You're honestly expecting everyone in the town to just believe everything you say. Saying this is what is causing me to doubt your credibility, not anything else you say. Furthermore, my paragraph in which I said those things had NOTHING to do with your credibility. It was about people lying in general, and I just picked you as an example. There are huge benefits in this game to lying about what role you got or what numbers you picked, no matter what side you are on (I can clarify this point if need be). I'm trying to raise this point up because people are just believing anyone is saying. At this stage in the game, some things are not adding up right with what everyone is saying. Somebody has to be lying, somebody who's talking a lot probably. There are things left unsaid that need to be answered (what did BM's invention actually do?). Opz wants to kill me and you're calling us buddies? o.O Maybe I want credibility because I'm sick and tired of being ignored? (notice how early I tried to focus on a lynch on day 1 yet we still managed to have a no lynch? People didn't even really argue about it? They just focused on the roles and didn't even worry about the lynch.) (additionally, notice that nobody other than opz has even mentioned that analysis of johnnyspazz - how is the guy this slippery when he isn't even posting?) Anyways, I'm done with this. Just don't stop reading my posts. If you disagree with the logic in them, point it out like Zona did earlier. Dismissing them out of hand or saying that I am expecting you to just follow them does not help anyone. If you aren't persuaded, tell me why. Please clarify your point about why you would want to lie about your numbers if you're innocent. Yeah, after thinking about it, I don't think there's any reason to lie about your numbers, especially now that the draft's far over and we kinda have an idea of who's what. I can be sympathetic of you being tired of being ignored. However first day you were here early, then you just disappeared for a long while, which didn't help your cause (yeah I know you were sick, but if you hadn't been and had been around during this time we'd be in a much different position about you methinks). And contrary, I haven't dismissed any of your posts, more of I'm questioning your attitude. I'm not persuaded because it seems to me you're taking up a BM attitude here: "guys, it's obvious I'm greener than grass, you should listen to me". Frankly, it's not obvious to us (although your constant activity right now helps). That's why I kept mentioning of thinking things from everyone's perspective, and to think of all possibilities, however ridiculous. As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled. On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Which is what I'm skeptical about when I mention this. In any other mafia game, it's not very well in a townspersons' interest to lie about their role. In this game it is very well in their interest. You claimed you picked copycat and didn't get the role. What I think is equally as likely (I'm not accusing you) is that you picked some other role instead. Let's assume for a moment that you are town. Given how much you emphasized in the thread you were taking copycat, it goes without saying that probably nobody below you picked it (and thus can't counter confirm your choice). Then after the picks were done you said in the thread, "hey guys I didn't get my role...wtf" (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Now the mafia think you're a green townie and won't bother hitting you. If you picked a good town role (a cop, medic, tracker, or something) you're in a great position to just do your thing for the next few days. What I'm trying to say is, even if I come out with information that says "hey guys...either BM or Korynne is lying", that doesn't necessarily mean one of us is mafia. I'll reserve my judgment on this until I see the first CompVig hit. But if they aren't following the town, you NEED to speak up. On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. BM said before the picks went out that he didn't even want the inventor role. I think it's possible that nobody on the list picked inventor. Or if you're lower on the list, you picked inventor and got it, would you really come out and say so? Maybe, but if I was low on the list, and was actually the inventor, I'd be very very very scared about claiming. Hell I had second pick on the draft and I'm scared to claim as it is. And you're 'if' statement there says "If he's innocent,...". What if he's not? I'm just trying to account for all possibilities here, because it seems to me nobody else is. And I think that it is impossible that nobody picked the inventor because we saw a cell phone made. After Bill said that he was trying to make a town circle and something about being able to PM on day 4. After Bill was talking about making a town circle. It sure seems to me like he has the role or is working with the person that has it. And yes, if I were the one with the inventor role, I would roleclaim. Why? because it means we have found someone actively working against the town (Bill). Right, my bad on that, there must be an inventor. However, if BM didn't take inventor and it fell into the mafia hands, they might have incentive to keep quiet about it. And I still say BM could have picked a cop with a "i'm going to win this game for the town when i come out with all this information day 3!!!!" attitude. On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote:On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote:
Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote:
I'm kinda confused by this. What I originally meant was that claiming you got roleblocked says nothing of whether you have a special role or not. You mention that either a town or mafia member could claim to get roleblocked, and what I was saying is that if someone claims to get roleblocked, it doesn't reveal much information. This would only help later in the game if they died or if someone had checked them or something. All I want to know is whether we have a roleblocker out there working against us. Personally, I'd like to know what the mafia can do. Maybe it won't matter, maybe we wind up in a situation where we should have a DT roleclaim while we drop our medic on them. I'd like to know if that is an option. Fair enough. The reason I'm taking this attitude is because I want people to think for themselves and realize that what I'm saying makes logical sense. The only true leap of faith I've asked of anyone so far was that I tried to take and didn't get copycat. I realize that this one is a leap of faith which I'm hoping my behavior will speak for. Other than that, I am hoping that my posts make sense from a logical point of view. Have I said anything else which you think requires a leap of faith? It means that the logic hasn't come through entirely, and that should be rectified.
I'm not entirely sold that you picked copycat. Assuming you did pick copycat, I'm not entirely sold that someone else got the role before you (in other words, you really are the copycat). Neither of these points necessarily means your mafia, I realize.
In my second game of mafia, I called out 4 of the 6 remaining mafia right before I died, with, from my perspective, ample evidence to warrant lynches (I also correctly identified all the remaining blues). All those mafia survived until the end. I know what it's like to be ignored, that's why I'm responding to all your posts like this.
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On May 05 2010 12:05 Foolishness wrote:
flamewheel's TL mafia XX
my bad
If BM didn't take inventor and it fell into mafia hands then BM is mafia. I can't think of any scenerio other than that, mainly because who would try to pick inventor unless they knew for a fact that it was still there after the first pick?
scamp, i don't think anyone is denying the BM is the inventor unless i missed it earlier. why are you bringing it up?
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On May 05 2010 12:15 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +If BM didn't take inventor and it fell into mafia hands then BM is mafia. I can't think of any scenerio other than that, mainly because who would try to pick inventor unless they knew for a fact that it was still there after the first pick? scamp, i don't think anyone is denying the BM is the inventor unless i missed it earlier. why are you bringing it up?
This is why.
On May 05 2010 11:55 Foolishness wrote:
Right, my bad on that, there must be an inventor. However, if BM didn't take inventor and it fell into the mafia hands, they might have incentive to keep quiet about it. And I still say BM could have picked a cop with a "i'm going to win this game for the town when i come out with all this information day 3!!!!" attitude.
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##Vote Sidesprang##
Roleblocker clearly wasn't gotten by the mafia...or they are retarded. BM/Foolishness would of been roleblocked? Why? Because uh, hello?! They pretty much are guaranteed roles? (Atleast we know BM has a role)
And if BM was mafia, and roleblocker was taken, then that explains it. If BM's invention goes to another mafia killed target, I say we lynch BM. Easy enough for him to hand out cell phones to mafia targets.
Or we just force BM to give Qatol/Foolishness a meth lab/security camera (I like my idea, what can I say). I say Qatol because...well...just because.) (Lethality detector - tells you if the person directly touching your name in the draft order is capable of killing)
Foolishness I only pushed for your death because you weren't posting....And korynne's claim...But I was more pushing for her death....
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Hey guys...should we ask the copy cat to protect BM tonight?
=D
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Alright - I'm here and back to vote. Looks like no better target appeared, so sidesprang it is. Counted things up quickly though and I think sidesprang is already at majority of 9 votes, from:
radfield
falcynn
citi.zen
hobbes
korynne
scamp
foolishness
johnnyspazz
opz
but just in case I've miscounted I'll throw mine down - probably just symbolic though.
[b]##Vote: sidesprang
We should all join the compvig vote now, though, so there's no ambiguity. From my quick read of the new posts it seems johnnyspazz is the leading candidate?
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crap...
##Vote: sidesprang
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With 16 alive it is 9 to lynch
Day 2 Votes:
sidesprang(9)
Radfield
Falcynn
citizen
Qatol
[NyC]HoBbes
Korynne
Foolishness
johnnyspazz
~Opz~
Korynne
~OpZ~
Radfield
~Opz~
sidesprang will be lynched at 2:30AM ET/3:30KST (~3 hours from now)
Any roles that can act between now and the lynch may do so.
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On May 05 2010 12:43 Zona wrote:
Alright - I'm here and back to vote. Looks like no better target appeared, so sidesprang it is. Counted things up quickly though and I think sidesprang is already at majority of 9 votes, from:
radfield
falcynn
citi.zen
hobbes
korynne
scamp
foolishness
johnnyspazz
opz
but just in case I've miscounted I'll throw mine down - probably just symbolic though.
##Vote: sidesprang
We should all join the compvig vote now, though, so there's no ambiguity. From my quick read of the new posts it seems johnnyspazz is the leading candidate?
I voted for him too, it was just mixed into my super long post, so you might have missed it. I'll post it again just to be sure.
[b]##Vote: sidesprang
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It looks like Ace missed my vote.
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FREEAGLELAND26780 Posts
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oh my bad. Doesn't matter anyway ^_^.
Amnesia (Vanilla Town) has been mod-killed
sidesprang (Weak Scum Doctor) has been lynched
Night actions may now be sent in. Night ends at 11:00 ET/12:00 KST
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i need multiple medics to protect me, as foolishness will probably try to night kill me tonight to and stack
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
Bam! I fucking knew it!
As far as our Compvig hit, I'm fine with voting Johnnyspazz, but I'm not necessarily sold that he is the best target. He has claimed Vanilla, which means if we're wrong we probably don't lose much. He could have lied about being Vanilla, but in this case I doubt he did.
Foolishness, I understand you are hesitant to roleclaim, but realize this: If you are NOT the CV, then Korynne (or BM) almost certainly is, and is likely mafia as well. It is very important that we know who the CV is, so that we can control him/her. You may be worried that if you roleclaim you'll become a target for the mafia. But guess what? You already ARE a target for the mafia, and you're likely target number 1. You might be worried that if you roleclaim that you would get roleblocked. But if the mafia have the roleblocker you're going to get roleblocked anyways, because the mafia already likely assume or know that you're the CV. You might be worried about outing your role, but all you have to do is say if you are NOT the CV, you don't have to claim any further. We're all working under the assumption anyways that you are the CV, so confirming it doesn't change anything except for giving the town additional info. You might think this gives the mafia additional info as well, but I don't think so. If Korynne is mafia she already knows the truth, and if Korynne is not mafia, then the mafia have no reason not to believe her claim(it doesn't make sense for her to say what she said if she's a townie. There are reasons to lie, but that's not one of them)
At this point it seems very, very likely you are the CV. If you weren't the CV then you would quickly see that Korynne is lying and want to get that in the open.
On another note, I highly doubt the roleblocker is in the game. Assuming people are telling the truth about vanilla (somewhat likely that at least Korynne, Opz and Qatol are) then the only people with roles are picks 1, 2, 5 (hobbes), and then pick 12, DarthTheinAn. I highly doubt that hobbes is the RB and it seems equally unlikely that someone after pick 10 would go for it. It's possbile that Falcynn took it and is lying about not sending in a role. I doubt JeeJee would have taken it at pick #11, and I'm still trying to make sense of his earlier post.
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im the inventor radfield how can you even doubt that
medics protect me
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 05 2010 17:52 Bill Murray wrote:
i need multiple medics to protect me, as foolishness will probably try to night kill me tonight to and stack
Bill, we only have max one medic. Plus the single save from the Joat, which may or may not even be in the game.
If the CV(foolishness) doesn't follow the town plan, then he's gonna get lynched. So at least your death will not be a total loss. This also means that unless the mafia and SK randomly double up on you, you're probably ok with protection from 1 medic(which is good because it's all we've got).
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