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On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =)
I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0.
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On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0.
Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night.
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Well the DT kit is a one time thing... I don't know if that applies to ALL inventions though.
On May 05 2010 23:32 johnnyspazz wrote:
if you guys feel like i'm the best target for compvig, then i'll just take one for the town. i know i haven't really been doing much for the town, sorry.
maybe someone should go check the list of people who didn't vote for sidesprang for the next lynch target.
Bill Murray
JeeJee
DarthThienAn
Scamp
citi.zen
Meh... i rushed out after my last post to get dinner yesterday and didn't come back to my computer until now o.O. Would've voted for side if I had seen Qatol's clarification, but when I refreshed, I only say the post just before that, didn't refresh again before heading to dinner. Simple as that, not gonna waste much time defending myself.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 06 2010 02:44 Qatol wrote:First, an updated number list. + Show Spoiler [Bid list] +
1. Bill Murray - [17] [4]
2. Foolishness - [1] [1]
3. Korynne - [1] [5]
4. Falcynn [1] [5-20] or [4] [1] - hasn't claimed
5. [NyC]HoBbes - [4] [1]
6. ~OpZ~ - [4] [14]
7. d3_crescentia - [4] [14]
8. Caller - [6] [1]
9. sidesprang - [6] [1] Couldn't have lied about his numbers
10. Qatol - [6] [1]
11. JeeJee - [6] [1]
12. DarthThienAn - [8] [1]
13. johnnyspazz - [8] [4]
14. Amnesia [8] [4-20] or [10] [1] - hasn't claimed
15. Radfield - [10] [1]
16. Scamp - [10] [11]
17. Zona - [12] [1]
18. citi.zen - [12] [3]
Groups: + Show Spoiler [Group 1] ++ Show Spoiler [Group 2] +
Foolishness
Korynne
Falcynn
Falcynn
Hobbes
~OpZ~
d3_crescentia
Caller
sidesprang
Qatol
JeeJee
DarthThienAn
johnnyspazz
Amnesia
Now this should presumably clear group #4. However, I'm still not entirely sure that JeeJee belongs IN group #4. Notice that he claimed his numbers after both DarthThienAn and I claimed ours. He could have gotten into the same spot in the drafting order with the numbers [8][1]. This is further complicated by johnnyspazz's presence in group 5. On the one hand, he didn't come forward with his numbers until after both Radfield and DarthThienAn came forward with theirs. On the other, it would be a horrible risk for him to lie about his numbers and then have Amnesia come foward with a contradicting set. I think it is unlikely that he lied about his numbers. So there you have it. Logically, only one of johnnyspazz or JeeJee can be the mafia from group 5 (and I think it is one of them because I still think that Darth is the SK). Anyone want to make a case for hitting one of them over the other? We HAVE to CompVig one of them tonight. Also, Zona, I seem to have broken the archive thread by accidentally typing a [ instead of a ] earlier. Could you fix it lest I make that thread ridiculously long?
+ Show Spoiler [Final Bid list (Minus Amnesia)] +
1. Bill Murray - [17] [4]
2. Foolishness - [1] [1]
3. Korynne - [1] [5]
4. Falcynn [1] [7]
5. [NyC]HoBbes - [4] [1]
6. ~OpZ~ - [4] [14]
7. d3_crescentia - [4] [14]
8. Caller - [6] [1]
9. sidesprang - [6] [1] Couldn't have lied about his numbers
10. Qatol - [6] [1]
11. JeeJee - [6] [1]
12. DarthThienAn - [8] [1]
13. johnnyspazz - [8] [4]
14. Amnesia [8] [4-20] or [10] [1] - hasn't claimed
15. Radfield - [10] [1]
16. Scamp - [10] [11]
17. Zona - [12] [1]
18. citi.zen - [12] [3]
Qatol, I'm not sure how this changes your grouping - does Falcynn move up a group or what?
Anyway, between johnnyspazz and JeeJee (read their posts thru archive):
johnnyspazz seems a little bit scummy.
+ Show Spoiler +On May 04 2010 06:17 ZBot wrote:johnnyspazz:+ Show Spoiler +On April 22 2010 10:26 johnnyspazz wrote:
can i play? On April 30 2010 07:59 johnnyspazz wrote:
omg 3 more hours On May 02 2010 01:29 johnnyspazz wrote:
I picked [8][4]. Good call darth On May 02 2010 18:20 johnnyspazz wrote:
wow ok so i skipped the part where i was supposed to pm a role to ace, gg me
as for voting for me, i guess that would be a great start since you wouldn't be losing anyone important. as for incognito "coaching" me, all he did was refer me to good players such as yourself qatol to ask for advice. last game i tried to be super active and that only turned the town against me.
let me guess, people are going to accuse me for being a lurker and responding when a vote is casted on me. well, there's nothing i can really do if i was busy all day and when i get the chance to read the thread, there's a vote on me by the end. coincidences happen On May 03 2010 01:02 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 00:13 Falcynn wrote:
Sorry guys for not claiming, was gone yesterday and the day before, I'm just glad I didn't get modkilled. I'll try to make up for it by being a more active townie than last game. Now time to read the rest of the thread. should we assume you are just as vanilla townie since you were gone? On May 03 2010 10:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
i think we as a town should agree on what the invention should be and what it should do. that way we know if the inventor is pro-town or not. On May 03 2010 14:14 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 11:46 Zona wrote:
The kicker is that one of his posts was a question asking falcynn to confirm if he was vanilla - very fishy in my eyes. he said he was gone all day. i was asking if he made the same mistake that i did, not pming a role to ace, and confirming his story. yeah that's fishy, sorry. On May 03 2010 14:21 johnnyspazz wrote:
i realize now that pointing out the people who have no abilities in the thread is very dumb because it gives the mafia a smaller list of targets to attack!
i was only thinking about confirming townies...crap On May 03 2010 17:26 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2010 15:02 Bill Murray wrote:
if medics dont protect me they're terrible players what if there are no medics? On May 04 2010 08:18 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2010 07:20 Bill Murray wrote:
yo guys if youre town and have a role i believe you should be posting to help me out here you want people claim in the thread so mafia can just have a list of targets to destroy? or are you just looking for someone good to give your invention to? On May 04 2010 14:46 johnnyspazz wrote:
i'm guessing his cellphone allows you to pm people
one of the hits wasn't mafia, i'm guessing SK killed caller and mafia hit d3? after all, assuming the mafia has copycat, why would they hit caller? On May 05 2010 11:26 johnnyspazz wrote:i'm still trying to catch up on the reading, it is MUCH easier to do stuff in nano games since there are 95% less posts to read. On May 05 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote:
##Vote Sidesprang##
after reading through everything, i agree that sidesprang would be a good lynch target
why aren't people using the compvig vote idea that was brought up earlier in the game? On May 05 2010 12:01 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +
As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled.
funny you should say this because i didn't even play in flamewheel's game On May 05 2010 12:15 johnnyspazz wrote:my bad Show nested quote +If BM didn't take inventor and it fell into mafia hands then BM is mafia. I can't think of any scenerio other than that, mainly because who would try to pick inventor unless they knew for a fact that it was still there after the first pick? scamp, i don't think anyone is denying the BM is the inventor unless i missed it earlier. why are you bringing it up? On May 05 2010 23:32 johnnyspazz wrote:
if you guys feel like i'm the best target for compvig, then i'll just take one for the town. i know i haven't really been doing much for the town, sorry.
maybe someone should go check the list of people who didn't vote for sidesprang for the next lynch target.
Bill Murray
JeeJee
DarthThienAn
Scamp
citi.zen
notable things are: a little of roleclaiming/hunting.. might be looking for "good targets". He follows this by criticizing BM for looking for someone trustworthy (ie. by roleclaiming), which is a bit hypocritical since he did a little bit of the same earlier. Bandwagons sidesprang, claims inactivity. Hasn't really contributed anything original though, and none of his posts make him out to be pro-town.
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JeeJee, on other hand, does the opposite: he says he's not going to claim his role despite several others claiming Vanilla, but then goes and says:
On May 04 2010 23:30 JeeJee wrote:now that we know this.. # Bill Murray inventor
# Foolishness comp vig
# Korynne VANILLA
# Falcynn VANILLA
# [NyC]HoBbes ROLE
# ~Opz~ VANILLA
# d3_crescentia MEDIC
# Caller VANILLA
# sidesprang ?
# Qatol VANILLA
let me add a piece of it as well # JeeJee VANILLAi didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here either that or hobbes is mafia for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it. then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here so foolishness, who are you gonna hit tonight?
Really unnecessarily imo, claiming is never good unless you are a) trying to trick mafia, b) lying because you are mafia, or c) have useful information that requires that you claim. But I think we've been over this, so why is he claiming if he has no concrete follow up to it? Could be scum trying to hide by pleading vanilla town.
On May 05 2010 00:04 JeeJee wrote:
hold on citizen. why would hobbes or sidesprang have lied? assuming all vanilla claism are true,it's still entirely possible one of them is copycat and the other one is my role
it still works out. of course that doesn't mean they're not mafia but in actuality my role probably isn't that desirable for mafia (and figuring they were closer to the top i'd have a better chance of getting this one) so that's another thing to keep in mind.
i'm thinking atm.
On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =)
From this, we can gather that if JeeJee is town, then Hobbes is town. The invention idea is undoubtedly pro-town, but it could be an act..
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In short
I'm leaning toward johnnyspazz for a CV hit. Both of them are... questionable, but johnnyspazz seems a bit more scummy, whereas JeeJee is either trying to keep a low profile, or he just likes being ambiguous (which is good! don't want to tell the mafia too much).
##CompVig Kill: johnnyspazz
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On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night.
Is there a way we can confirm Bill as town? Or anyone for that matter?
I'm inclined to think Radfield for one is town, as he led us to sidesprang, who turned out to be mafia. Call it luck if you want, but no way that mafia would kill each other with only 4 in the game.
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On May 06 2010 04:21 DarthThienAn wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night. Is there a way we can confirm Bill as town? Or anyone for that matter? I'm inclined to think Radfield for one is town, as he led us to sidesprang, who turned out to be mafia. Call it luck if you want, but no way that mafia would kill each other with only 4 in the game.
If you believe my list theory, then I am somewhat confirmed (I was in a group with sidesprang). However, because it was my theory, I won't go there. Radfield is the other player I would agree is almost certainly town. He has had very good logic this entire game and the sidesprang catch was very good. I guess I'm okay with Radfield getting a gun with a silver bullet. But I don't trust anyone else with it, and I'm worried that he may not survive the night.
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Now this should presumably clear group #4.
quit filling people's heads with absolute SHIT.
seriously.
you're saying there's NO CHANCE you and jeejee did that on purpose for a ploy to look innocent?
you're saying there's NO CHANCE one of you isn't the serial killer?
give me a damn break
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On May 06 2010 04:37 Bill Murray wrote:quit filling people's heads with absolute SHIT. seriously.you're saying there's NO CHANCE you and jeejee did that on purpose for a ploy to look innocent? you're saying there's NO CHANCE one of you isn't the serial killer? give me a damn break
Really? What about my claim is shit exactly? I have already said that I am not going to clear myself with my own theory. I have already said that JeeJee very well could have lied about his numbers because he claimed them after I claimed mine. I have said that this list only clears out mafia, not the Serial Killer. Hell, even in that statement I said "presumably." For god's sake, at least give me civility if you won't give me the benefit of the doubt AFTER we JUST caught the mafia with the copycat role. What exactly is your problem?
And tell us, what are you inventing?
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your claim is shit because there are scenarios where its a lie filling people's heads with shit
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Bill just because the game is hosted by Ace doesn't mean you have the right to berate people to the extent you're doing it.
Well, maybe it does, but I still don't think it's nice.
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On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night.
This is your strangest comment yet Qatol. If you do not trust Bill this entire discussion is worthless. It makes no difference if you ask him to make invention X or Y - if he works for the mafia he will make what he wants or change the properties of the invention how he wants. I don't get it.
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that being said, if you ARE pro-town it is not shit, and is very useful ( i have used it myself ).
it still doesn't dismiss you is all i'm saying. i know you're admitting that, but i don't want some people are even newer than me to take your word as God.
you're being so pro-town that if everyone was like "durr qatol is always right" and you're mafia we would be fucked if someone didn't stand up to you.
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and by "claim" i meant "this clears list 4" because it really doesn't clear anything.
if you would have said "this makes it much less likely that jeejee and i are mafia, but we could still be a serial killer so you cant trust anyone if you are town-aligned" I would completely agree.
I am also not trying to be an asshole, it comes naturally, and I am grumpy in the morning
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furthermore, i DO feel like your list is useful. i DO feel like you are pro-town, but i DO want to win so i'm trying to take into account every possible scenario.
I am considering giving foolishness a laptop that will enable him to do an alignment check
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On May 06 2010 04:47 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night. This is your strangest comment yet Qatol. If you do not trust Bill this entire discussion is worthless. It makes no difference if you ask him to make invention X or Y - if he works for the mafia he will make what he wants or change the properties of the invention how he wants. I don't get it.
Actually, it makes perfect sense. The thing is, if Bill is working for the mafia, he will want to give out as many inventions as he possibly can before we catch him. To do that, he has to give out inventions which seem to be helping the town when they will actually help the mafia in the long run. If we are asking him to give out guns, what is to stop him from giving out his "guns" to mafia members and either claim that they went to people who just died or just say they went to the mafia members? Then the mafia can just go on a shooting spree in a few nights and close out the game.
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or i could make a gun that backfires when someone tries to shoot it, and give it to a townie
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On May 06 2010 04:49 Bill Murray wrote:
and by "claim" i meant "this clears list 4" because it really doesn't clear anything.
if you would have said "this makes it much less likely that jeejee and i are mafia, but we could still be a serial killer so you cant trust anyone if you are town-aligned" I would completely agree.
I am also not trying to be an asshole, it comes naturally, and I am grumpy in the morning
Okay, I will agree with that statement. I thought "presumably" covered it. Sorry, I apparently wasn't clear. This list pulls some suspicion off myself and JeeJee as far as being mafia, but does nothing towards us being Serial Killer. Good?
On May 06 2010 04:51 Bill Murray wrote:
furthermore, i DO feel like your list is useful. i DO feel like you are pro-town, but i DO want to win so i'm trying to take into account every possible scenario.
I am considering giving foolishness a laptop that will enable him to do an alignment check
Please don't call it a laptop. Please call it an alignment check kit. You need to be more transparent with what your inventions do. Remember, our only descriptions of your inventions come from the names themselves. A laptop just has WAY too many potential uses other than alignment checks.
Also, why foolishness? We don't know if we trust him at all until he makes a night kill.
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On May 06 2010 04:55 Bill Murray wrote:
or i could make a gun that backfires when someone tries to shoot it, and give it to a townie
I thought the person you give it to gets the same description you gave to Ace? In that case, the townie would never fire it and would just call you out.
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On May 06 2010 04:53 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 04:47 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 04:15 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On May 06 2010 03:06 JeeJee wrote:On May 05 2010 23:34 Radfield wrote:I have to disagree with you Citizen, sidesprang was lynched because several things pointed to him being the mafia copycat. The only other real option was him being a very bad townie. But moving on. JeeJee has information right now that pretty much no one else does. i didn't go for copycat so presumably we have some liars up in here
either that or hobbes is mafia
for the role that he is (or should be), he sure isn't doing shit with it.
then again neither is sidesprang so i'm at a loss here Now that sidesprang is gone, JeeJee is claiming that he tried for a role and failed to get it. Which means that someone above him has his role. He also is claiming that whoever that person is, is failing to use it in a pro-town manner. I've looked through the roles, and I really can't figure out which role he could be talking about though. DayVig is the only one that seems likely. As far as who might have the role? In my mind the options are Opz, Falcynn or Hobbes. Bm and Foolishness have inventor and CV, if Korynne was lying about her pick then Foolishness would have outted her, Qatol is almost certainly telling the truth about trying for CopyCat, and everyone else is dead. Another possibility is that Foolishness and Korynne are both mafia, but I think this unlikely. So JeeJee, if you truly think that whoever took your role is anti-town, then you should role claim, because you will likely lead us to a mafia. However, I leave the final judgement up to you, no point in outing a pro-town player's role. you are correct, i probably know hobbes' role now, of course that's still pending whether others have lied but the way the events have unfolded so far, the claims seem legit. i think i probably understand hobbes' strategy now and it kind of makes sense.. we shall see. atm i am leaning towards hobbes being townie so that's where we stand on that issue. what's the plan with inventions this night? i'm still leaning towards alignment kits. maybe you can get creative and get a gun with special bullets .. if you hit a mafia, they die, if you hit a townie, nothing happens. its like an alignment kit with bullets, whooo =) I love the invention suggestion. How can this harm the town? Swift justice + lasting info. Call it... the silver bullet gun. DT kit v. 2.0. Easy. Do you trust Bill not to make a regular gun but have the same name? How about he makes another one after that? And then the mafia all fire their guns the same night. This is your strangest comment yet Qatol. If you do not trust Bill this entire discussion is worthless. It makes no difference if you ask him to make invention X or Y - if he works for the mafia he will make what he wants or change the properties of the invention how he wants. I don't get it. Actually, it makes perfect sense. The thing is, if Bill is working for the mafia, he will want to give out as many inventions as he possibly can before we catch him. To do that, he has to give out inventions which seem to be helping the town when they will actually help the mafia in the long run. If we are asking him to give out guns, what is to stop him from giving out his "guns" to mafia members and either claim that they went to people who just died or just say they went to the mafia members? Then the mafia can just go on a shooting spree in a few nights and close out the game.
This is silly - ANYTHING can be used to kill someone - the key is in the description, not the name. Us giving Bill ideas does not help or stop him from changing the attributes we cannot observe.
Am I the only one who does not get this or is this plainly obvious?
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bill i'm afraid you are going to have to make it transparently obvious what your invention does this night. a laptop that rolechecks does not that criteria fill.
what's your reasoning for making it as ambiguous as possible?
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