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On May 06 2010 07:03 Qatol wrote:
3. Bill Murray is innocent
a. Foolishness is mafia - it is unlikely the mafia will hit Bill because they don't want to lose another member + their CompVig. SK might take a shot at him if he likes his chances about the medic protection. Medic protection might be useful.
can you explain why the mafia hitting bill while make them lose another member + their compvig? i don't see how this is possible.
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On May 06 2010 06:14 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 05:52 Bill Murray wrote:well i was going to make it double-serve as an alignment checking kit and something that would blow foolishness up if he targeted me tonight  Wait, question: If you were planning on making your invention work like this, why were you calling for the medic to protect you? You have already provided a huge disincentive for targeting you. Shouldn't the medic try to block a hit on someone else?
1 medic takes 1 hit off me
foolishness + mafia = 2 hits
foolishness not hitting me because hes mafia and doesnt want to die + mafia hitting me = 1 hit
therefore, OUR MEDIC SHOULD PROTECT ME IF HES TOWN ALIGNED.
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qatol you saying the medic shouldnt protect the inventor is making you look more and more scummy
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On May 06 2010 07:09 johnnyspazz wrote:
can you explain why the mafia hitting bill while make them lose another member + their compvig? i don't see how this is possible.
my bad, foolishness fits under the category of compvig and mafia member in this case. now i understand.
also yes medics should definitely protect BM tonight because worst case scenario, they trade their compvig and mafia member for our inventor which is a good trade imo. if foolishness is town-aligned, then he will hit me and bm will still be able to give his invention to foolishness.
hypothetical situation: what if mafia hits foolishness? then invention will be wasted again and the town will lose two more greens.
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On May 06 2010 07:20 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 06:14 Qatol wrote:On May 06 2010 05:52 Bill Murray wrote:well i was going to make it double-serve as an alignment checking kit and something that would blow foolishness up if he targeted me tonight Wait, question: If you were planning on making your invention work like this, why were you calling for the medic to protect you? You have already provided a huge disincentive for targeting you. Shouldn't the medic try to block a hit on someone else? 1 medic takes 1 hit off me foolishness + mafia = 2 hits foolishness not hitting me because hes mafia and doesnt want to die + mafia hitting me = 1 hit therefore, OUR MEDIC SHOULD PROTECT ME IF HES TOWN ALIGNED.
I believe I covered this scenario. If foolishness is mafia, it doesn't matter which hit is used on you, he would still die.
On May 06 2010 07:23 Bill Murray wrote:
qatol you saying the medic shouldnt protect the inventor is making you look more and more scummy
Really? Is that what I said? I believe I said the medic should CONSIDER protecting someone other than you because it increases the chances of getting a protection. I believe I also said that you should be a high priority, but not an ironclad 100% protection target. I just want the mafia to think twice about hitting someone like maybe Foolishness (if innocent) or Radfield AS WELL AS you.
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On May 06 2010 07:25 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 07:09 johnnyspazz wrote:
can you explain why the mafia hitting bill while make them lose another member + their compvig? i don't see how this is possible. my bad, foolishness fits under the category of compvig and mafia member in this case. now i understand. also yes medics should definitely protect BM tonight because worst case scenario, they trade their compvig and mafia member for our inventor which is a good trade imo. if foolishness is town-aligned, then he will hit me and bm will still be able to give his invention to foolishness. hypothetical situation: what if mafia hits foolishness? then invention will be wasted again and the town will lose two more greens.
Which is exactly the case I'm hoping to avoid by suggesting that the medic not be ordered to protect Bill Murray (just highly encouraged)
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Well this protecting BM talk is wonderful and all, but are we agreed that the compvig should hit Johnnyspazz?
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Radfield
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I'd like to bring this back to our compvig hit. At this point it seems like everyone who has posts an opinion has said to hit Johnnyspazz. Personally I don't find him all that scummy, so I'd like to propose a possible second target.
At first I was suspicious of Falcynn, but I checked though his history and the main thing that jumped up was that he voted second on the sidesprang lynch, so he seems slightly in the clear.
But you know who does strike me as scummy? Scamp. I'm not familiar with his posting in other games, so this might be the norm, but he has accused just about everyone in this game of being mafia. Lets check out some posts
I already get the feeling that Radfield is mafia.
I, for one, am not afraid of a mafia copycat. If we get a mafia with a day 1 lynch then they had the role anyway. And even if we lose an exceptionally powerful role we'll still know where it is. I think it might be best to push for BM or Foolish right away, the only problem is whether or not I trust Korynne. Right now I'm not sure.
Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now.
Falcynn seems scummiest to me.
I don't see how killing Sidesprang gives any great information.
This one is taken slightly out of context, but still somewhat incriminating. He followed it with:
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted.
Sounds to me like Qatol is mafia. I'll add him to my list with Falcynn.
vote: Sidesprang
Finally puts a vote on Sidesprang, AFTER a majority was reached(I think)
So what do we have here, early on he pushes for a quick lynch of either BM or Foolishness, while downplaying the importance of the CopyCat. We now know that the copycat was in mafia hands. He puts a hard or soft FoS on pretty much any active poster he can: BM, Foolishness, Korynne, Falcynn, Qatol and myself.
This is not an open and shut case, but I'd love for a few other people to take a close look at him.
Also I am not yet recommending we switch our compvig vote. Lets stick with Johnnyspazz for now unless more people agree with me on Scamp.
##CompVig Johnnyspazz##
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I do not want the discussion about names distract us from the function. Invent a gun_that_only_kills_Mafia. Or a grenade, so medic or bullet proof or vet does not stop it.
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On May 06 2010 07:39 Radfield wrote:I'd like to bring this back to our compvig hit. At this point it seems like everyone who has posts an opinion has said to hit Johnnyspazz. Personally I don't find him all that scummy, so I'd like to propose a possible second target. At first I was suspicious of Falcynn, but I checked though his history and the main thing that jumped up was that he voted second on the sidesprang lynch, so he seems slightly in the clear. But you know who does strike me as scummy? Scamp. I'm not familiar with his posting in other games, so this might be the norm, but he has accused just about everyone in this game of being mafia. Lets check out some posts Show nested quote +
I, for one, am not afraid of a mafia copycat. If we get a mafia with a day 1 lynch then they had the role anyway. And even if we lose an exceptionally powerful role we'll still know where it is. I think it might be best to push for BM or Foolish right away, the only problem is whether or not I trust Korynne. Right now I'm not sure.
Show nested quote +
Personally, I'm wondering if there's a good reason not to lynch Foolishness right now.
This one is taken slightly out of context, but still somewhat incriminating. He followed it with: Show nested quote +
All that being said, Sidesprang still does look suspicious, and it'd be nice if he posted.
Show nested quote +
Sounds to me like Qatol is mafia. I'll add him to my list with Falcynn.
vote: Sidesprang
Finally puts a vote on Sidesprang, AFTER a majority was reached(I think) So what do we have here, early on he pushes for a quick lynch of either BM or Foolishness, while downplaying the importance of the CopyCat. We now know that the copycat was in mafia hands. He puts a hard or soft FoS on pretty much any active poster he can: BM, Foolishness, Korynne, Falcynn, Qatol and myself. This is not an open and shut case, but I'd love for a few other people to take a close look at him. Also I am not yet recommending we switch our compvig vote. Lets stick with Johnnyspazz for now unless more people agree with me on Scamp.
##CompVig Johnnyspazz##
I absolutely agree. I've been wondering about Scamp and citi.zen, but didn't want to go there until after we have resolved Johnnyspazz/JeeJee because, as OpZ told me earlier, I was "too all over the place". As far as his posting in other games goes, I can't definitively tell you either. The only other game I played with him was his first game, not counting speed or smurf if he was in them. He was mafia in the first game I hosted and played the clueless newbie extremely well early on, but because the mafia had a huge lead, they all got cocky and basically stopped talking (Scamp included). At the very least, Scamp would make an excellent target for a rolecheck/alignment check/tracker.
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On May 06 2010 07:46 citi.zen wrote:
I do not want the discussion about names distract us from the function. Invent a gun_that_only_kills_Mafia. Or a grenade, so medic or bullet proof or vet does not stop it.
Grenade is a horrible idea. We do not want anything that can kill townies. We do not want anything bomb-related because of the cell phone. The gun I can accept.
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the cellphone was a pm device dude can you please stop saying that youre annoying me with that
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youve said that like 5 times
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Okay, I just confirmed with Ace that if Bill were to give someone a med kit (+1 night life), that player would have to choose to activate it. When they did, they would get +1 night life for that night and then the item would be used up. So no veteran abilities  . It looks like rolechecks or guns that only kill mafia/SK are our best bet.
Oh, because I haven't explicitly done this yet (but I'm definitely pushing for it)
##CompVig Johnnyspazz##
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On May 06 2010 07:58 Bill Murray wrote:
the cellphone was a pm device dude can you please stop saying that youre annoying me with that
And this is the first time you have explicitly told us what it did. Besides, I've made this very clear: I don't trust you. Maybe that will change based on how you act in the future, but for right now, you have fought the town every step of the way. Give me a reason to trust you and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
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i dont need to prove shit to you
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Qatol this whole cell phone as detonator thing is striking me as wildly paranoid. Not that that can't be the case, but you constantly bringing it up is starting to get annoying.
I was probably wrong about Radfield and Qatol, but I don't think my suspicions were so off-base. My quote on Rad was before the game even began, and Falcynn, BM, and Foolishness haven't exactly done much to rid themselves of suspicion IMO.
And no, my vote for SS was not after majority had been reached. I think I was right in the middle, which is of course the most likely spot for a mafia bus. So that doesn't actually help my defense.
I really don't think anything I've done has been so wrong.
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On May 06 2010 07:50 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 07:46 citi.zen wrote:
I do not want the discussion about names distract us from the function. Invent a gun_that_only_kills_Mafia. Or a grenade, so medic or bullet proof or vet does not stop it. Grenade is a horrible idea. We do not want anything that can kill townies. We do not want anything bomb-related because of the cell phone. The gun I can accept.
Not if the name says it, right? Anyway, it should flat out kill, regardless of vet/protection status, and only kill reds. Can we agree this is better than a kit?
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On May 06 2010 08:07 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont need to prove shit to you
Bill, to avoid getting lynched you need to prove to everyone, not just Qatol, that you are pro-town. You have a very, very powerful ability, that is very deadly to the town if it's in mafia hands. Unfortunately for you, the person you passed out the phone to died the same night. This sucks for you, because it's suspicious by it's very nature. This is why tonight, you need to make an invention that is very obviously pro-town, so we can all go "phew" looks like Bill is very unlikely to be mafia.
If you invent something obscure again, against the direct wishes of the town, what other option are you leaving us? Look at it from our point of view, we HAVE to be sure the inventor is on our side. The only way to be sure is if the inventor is following instructions from the towns collective judgement.
How else can we be sure?
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On May 06 2010 08:07 Bill Murray wrote:
i dont need to prove shit to you
Actually, you do. You need to prove to everyone that you are innocent. That means being more transparent and forthcoming than you have been so far.
On May 06 2010 08:08 Scamp wrote:
Qatol this whole cell phone as detonator thing is striking me as wildly paranoid. Not that that can't be the case, but you constantly bringing it up is starting to get annoying.
I was probably wrong about Radfield and Qatol, but I don't think my suspicions were so off-base. My quote on Rad was before the game even began, and Falcynn, BM, and Foolishness haven't exactly done much to rid themselves of suspicion IMO.
And no, my vote for SS was not after majority had been reached. I think I was right in the middle, which is of course the most likely spot for a mafia bus. So that doesn't actually help my defense.
I really don't think anything I've done has been so wrong.
Oh I agree I'm probably being paranoid. However, notice that I only bring this up whenever someone talks about making a bomb. If people would stop doing that, I would stop bringing it up. I'm just trying to drive home the point that bombs are a bad idea while Bill Murray's alignment is a question mark.
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