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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
I think it was a better idea than my night light. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
-_- Not getting Korynne lynched, so one possible liar lives. | ||
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[NyC]HoBbes
United States803 Posts
##Vote Sidesprang | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
Here's to hoping we don't go today with no lynch. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
vote: Sidesprang | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 05 2010 09:28 ~OpZ~ wrote: Wanna make a wager? First let me show how you were wrong... Post that duped me (he has since edited it) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=4#75 Very next post by citizen. (Not his numbers) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=120729¤tpage=5#85 Now, how about when I die, you agree die next? Or lets kill sidesprang, and day vigi foolishness. You sure seem to be screaming scum to me right now, Qatol. As I've said, you're all over the map and need to calm down. I know everyone else see's it. I don't need six pages worth of posts and contradictions to show it. -___- I can quote some of yours, and I highly doubt you'll be an idiot misguided townie with your attack on me. Just reread some of your own statements. I've defended you, not attacked you. While I didn't notice Johnnyspazz was posting other places, and I'm happier killing foolishness or korynne because CLEARLY one of them is lying about CV. I picked it too, and foolishness calls me stupid for picking it. I picked it because...well...Vig really isn't that insanely powerful. Dt's are more important in my opinion. I just felt I'd be better sitting around and slaughtering individuals. I wanted to power to murder. I wanted to feel like the mafia! But sadly...I fucked myself and should of picked Jack. Or Meth. I spoke about my role because if everyone feels like USING the comp vig, then we might as well know who he is right? I never said anything about you and your role selection. I'm fully aware citi.zen made that post. I was talking about johnnyspazz? On May 02 2010 01:29 johnnyspazz wrote: I picked [8][4]. Good call darth It was his first post after the game started. And we can play your little game of chicken if you really want, but I'm definitely innocent. Or do you not remember the plans where I was likely checked out by the role cop and/or tracker? Do you really think I would be contributing the way I have if I were mafia? Anyways, I will try to be more focused in my accusations. Sound good? Lynch sidesprang, compvig johnnyspazz I'll leave it at those two. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 05 2010 10:08 Korynne wrote: Or actually, correction, stop trying to lynch me because you think I am mafia. It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. No, it isn't. If you are really legit, we have better ways to find out about Bill/Foolishness. If we lynch you, it should be because we think you are mafia. No other reason. | ||
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Korynne
Canada990 Posts
I think it would be better to lynch me to confirm rather than wasting detective checks and having to claim DT to get them. I said stop trying to lynch me because you think I'm mafia because it's pretty clear that it would be retarded for me to be mafia after all that's happened. If you actually have a legitimate reason why you think I'm mafia (I cannot see how) then I guess sure, lynch me/compvig me. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 05 2010 08:59 Korynne wrote: Also flamewheel it's okay, apparently everyone on the internet is assumed male unless proven. xP But seriously Foolishness if you are town, you should claim either compvig or not compvig. If I was mafia and I was lying, then I would already know you are not compvig. If I was mafia and telling the truth, and BM is mafia with me, then I would already know if you are compvig. If I was mafia and BM is town, then I doubt BM has the coordination to pull off another townie pretending to be inventor instead of him. If I was town, and mafia knows I'm town, then they know that I'm probably telling the truth, and they will know you and BM's role. So telling us whether you are compvig or not compvig only benefits town. So basically, if you claim compvig, everything's okay for now other than wtf why did you steal my role. If you claim not compvig then you and BM are under heavy scrutiny (or at least will be when I am revealed town). Have you not read anything Qatol or I have said about NOT claiming as claiming only helps the mafia? I said in my post, I will claim if it is necessary and bring impertinent information to the town. Right now me claiming does no good, so I'm not going to. You can be upset that you didn't get your role (if you're even telling the truth here), but that doesn't mean you have to force me to claim and help the mafia (but who am I kidding, you already did that yesterday, great job there btw). On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Yay another person trying to "subtly" poke holes in my credibility. Having fun over there with your buddy ~OpZ~? Why do you care so much about this fact? Why are you putting so much emphasis on YOUR credibility? Nobody other than yourself knows that you are innocent (unless someone checked you or something), and yet you expect us to just blindly believe everything you say? You're sounding more and more like BM as the game goes on. You're honestly expecting everyone in the town to just believe everything you say. Saying this is what is causing me to doubt your credibility, not anything else you say. Furthermore, my paragraph in which I said those things had NOTHING to do with your credibility. It was about people lying in general, and I just picked you as an example. There are huge benefits in this game to lying about what role you got or what numbers you picked, no matter what side you are on (I can clarify this point if need be). I'm trying to raise this point up because people are just believing anyone is saying. At this stage in the game, some things are not adding up right with what everyone is saying. Somebody has to be lying, somebody who's talking a lot probably. There are things left unsaid that need to be answered (what did BM's invention actually do?). Opz wants to kill me and you're calling us buddies? o.O On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Except you have something to contribute. If you took anything other than CompVig, you should have already roleclaimed because then we have a confirmed mafia in the first 3 players. Which is what I'm skeptical about when I mention this. In any other mafia game, it's not very well in a townspersons' interest to lie about their role. In this game it is very well in their interest. You claimed you picked copycat and didn't get the role. What I think is equally as likely (I'm not accusing you) is that you picked some other role instead. Let's assume for a moment that you are town. Given how much you emphasized in the thread you were taking copycat, it goes without saying that probably nobody below you picked it (and thus can't counter confirm your choice). Then after the picks were done you said in the thread, "hey guys I didn't get my role...wtf" (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Now the mafia think you're a green townie and won't bother hitting you. If you picked a good town role (a cop, medic, tracker, or something) you're in a great position to just do your thing for the next few days. What I'm trying to say is, even if I come out with information that says "hey guys...either BM or Korynne is lying", that doesn't necessarily mean one of us is mafia. On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Really? You think Bill would lie about taking the inventor role? Here's the thing: If he's innocent, it doesn't help the town for him to lie about his role. It just makes us lynch people around him whether or not we actually have solid reads on them. I would hope that he is smart enough to see that. BM said before the picks went out that he didn't even want the inventor role. I think it's possible that nobody on the list picked inventor. Or if you're lower on the list, you picked inventor and got it, would you really come out and say so? Maybe, but if I was low on the list, and was actually the inventor, I'd be very very very scared about claiming. Hell I had second pick on the draft and I'm scared to claim as it is. And you're 'if' statement there says "If he's innocent,...". What if he's not? I'm just trying to account for all possibilities here, because it seems to me nobody else is. On May 05 2010 08:58 Qatol wrote: Actually, that is wrong. Either you are town and legitimately got roleblocked (telling us there is a mafia roleblocker out there) or you are mafia and did not get roleblocked (telling us that there is no mafia roleblocker out there). I'd like to be able to figure out which of these cases is the truth. I'm kinda confused by this. What I originally meant was that claiming you got roleblocked says nothing of whether you have a special role or not. You mention that either a town or mafia member could claim to get roleblocked, and what I was saying is that if someone claims to get roleblocked, it doesn't reveal much information. This would only help later in the game if they died or if someone had checked them or something. On May 05 2010 10:08 Korynne wrote: Or actually, correction, stop trying to lynch me because you think I am mafia. It is perfectly legit to lynch me to confirm what I say about Bill/Foolishness. No it's not, we don't have time to waste like that. Lynching you to confirm what one of BM/me is says nothing about who's mafia (other than you cause you're dead and we find out). Also, that kinda talk is mafia like (the whole "fine if you don't believe me, just go ahead and kill me, then you'll see). | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
he still hasn't said anything since his one post defense | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 05 2010 10:39 Foolishness wrote: Have you not read anything Qatol or I have said about NOT claiming as claiming only helps the mafia? I said in my post, I will claim if it is necessary and bring impertinent information to the town. Right now me claiming does no good, so I'm not going to. You can be upset that you didn't get your role (if you're even telling the truth here), but that doesn't mean you have to force me to claim and help the mafia (but who am I kidding, you already did that yesterday, great job there btw). Why do you care so much about this fact? Why are you putting so much emphasis on YOUR credibility? Nobody other than yourself knows that you are innocent (unless someone checked you or something), and yet you expect us to just blindly believe everything you say? You're sounding more and more like BM as the game goes on. You're honestly expecting everyone in the town to just believe everything you say. Saying this is what is causing me to doubt your credibility, not anything else you say. Furthermore, my paragraph in which I said those things had NOTHING to do with your credibility. It was about people lying in general, and I just picked you as an example. There are huge benefits in this game to lying about what role you got or what numbers you picked, no matter what side you are on (I can clarify this point if need be). I'm trying to raise this point up because people are just believing anyone is saying. At this stage in the game, some things are not adding up right with what everyone is saying. Somebody has to be lying, somebody who's talking a lot probably. There are things left unsaid that need to be answered (what did BM's invention actually do?). Opz wants to kill me and you're calling us buddies? o.O Maybe I want credibility because I'm sick and tired of being ignored? (notice how early I tried to focus on a lynch on day 1 yet we still managed to have a no lynch? People didn't even really argue about it? They just focused on the roles and didn't even worry about the lynch.) (additionally, notice that nobody other than opz has even mentioned that analysis of johnnyspazz - how is the guy this slippery when he isn't even posting?) Anyways, I'm done with this. Just don't stop reading my posts. If you disagree with the logic in them, point it out like Zona did earlier. Dismissing them out of hand or saying that I am expecting you to just follow them does not help anyone. If you aren't persuaded, tell me why. Please clarify your point about why you would want to lie about your numbers if you're innocent. Which is what I'm skeptical about when I mention this. In any other mafia game, it's not very well in a townspersons' interest to lie about their role. In this game it is very well in their interest. You claimed you picked copycat and didn't get the role. What I think is equally as likely (I'm not accusing you) is that you picked some other role instead. Let's assume for a moment that you are town. Given how much you emphasized in the thread you were taking copycat, it goes without saying that probably nobody below you picked it (and thus can't counter confirm your choice). Then after the picks were done you said in the thread, "hey guys I didn't get my role...wtf" (I'm paraphrasing obviously). Now the mafia think you're a green townie and won't bother hitting you. If you picked a good town role (a cop, medic, tracker, or something) you're in a great position to just do your thing for the next few days. What I'm trying to say is, even if I come out with information that says "hey guys...either BM or Korynne is lying", that doesn't necessarily mean one of us is mafia. I'll reserve my judgment on this until I see the first CompVig hit. But if they aren't following the town, you NEED to speak up. BM said before the picks went out that he didn't even want the inventor role. I think it's possible that nobody on the list picked inventor. Or if you're lower on the list, you picked inventor and got it, would you really come out and say so? Maybe, but if I was low on the list, and was actually the inventor, I'd be very very very scared about claiming. Hell I had second pick on the draft and I'm scared to claim as it is. And you're 'if' statement there says "If he's innocent,...". What if he's not? I'm just trying to account for all possibilities here, because it seems to me nobody else is. And I think that it is impossible that nobody picked the inventor because we saw a cell phone made. After Bill said that he was trying to make a town circle and something about being able to PM on day 4. After Bill was talking about making a town circle. It sure seems to me like he has the role or is working with the person that has it. And yes, if I were the one with the inventor role, I would roleclaim. Why? because it means we have found someone actively working against the town (Bill). I'm kinda confused by this. What I originally meant was that claiming you got roleblocked says nothing of whether you have a special role or not. You mention that either a town or mafia member could claim to get roleblocked, and what I was saying is that if someone claims to get roleblocked, it doesn't reveal much information. This would only help later in the game if they died or if someone had checked them or something. All I want to know is whether we have a roleblocker out there working against us. Personally, I'd like to know what the mafia can do. Maybe it won't matter, maybe we wind up in a situation where we should have a DT roleclaim while we drop our medic on them. I'd like to know if that is an option. No it's not, we don't have time to waste like that. Lynching you to confirm what one of BM/me is says nothing about who's mafia (other than you cause you're dead and we find out). Also, that kinda talk is mafia like (the whole "fine if you don't believe me, just go ahead and kill me, then you'll see). Agreed on this point. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
So johnnyspazz: why so quiet? i'm still trying to catch up on the reading, it is MUCH easier to do stuff in nano games since there are 95% less posts to read. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
after reading through everything, i agree that sidesprang would be a good lynch target why aren't people using the compvig vote idea that was brought up earlier in the game? | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote: Maybe I want credibility because I'm sick and tired of being ignored? (notice how early I tried to focus on a lynch on day 1 yet we still managed to have a no lynch? People didn't even really argue about it? They just focused on the roles and didn't even worry about the lynch.) (additionally, notice that nobody other than opz has even mentioned that analysis of johnnyspazz - how is the guy this slippery when he isn't even posting?) Anyways, I'm done with this. Just don't stop reading my posts. If you disagree with the logic in them, point it out like Zona did earlier. Dismissing them out of hand or saying that I am expecting you to just follow them does not help anyone. If you aren't persuaded, tell me why. Please clarify your point about why you would want to lie about your numbers if you're innocent. Yeah, after thinking about it, I don't think there's any reason to lie about your numbers, especially now that the draft's far over and we kinda have an idea of who's what. I can be sympathetic of you being tired of being ignored. However first day you were here early, then you just disappeared for a long while, which didn't help your cause (yeah I know you were sick, but if you hadn't been and had been around during this time we'd be in a much different position about you methinks). And contrary, I haven't dismissed any of your posts, more of I'm questioning your attitude. I'm not persuaded because it seems to me you're taking up a BM attitude here: "guys, it's obvious I'm greener than grass, you should listen to me". Frankly, it's not obvious to us (although your constant activity right now helps). That's why I kept mentioning of thinking things from everyone's perspective, and to think of all possibilities, however ridiculous. As for Jspazzz, I will agree on your point that he is filler-posting and has yet to make a contribution of his own. Looking through past games quickly, I'd say he's about as active as during BM's game (a little less maybe) and about as active as during flamewheel's game. Both times he was green. I'll need to look through more games for a better consensus on that. If nobody has any better idea on who the CompVig should kill then we should go with that, especially if Amnesia gets modkilled. On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote: I'll reserve my judgment on this until I see the first CompVig hit. But if they aren't following the town, you NEED to speak up. And I think that it is impossible that nobody picked the inventor because we saw a cell phone made. After Bill said that he was trying to make a town circle and something about being able to PM on day 4. After Bill was talking about making a town circle. It sure seems to me like he has the role or is working with the person that has it. And yes, if I were the one with the inventor role, I would roleclaim. Why? because it means we have found someone actively working against the town (Bill). Right, my bad on that, there must be an inventor. However, if BM didn't take inventor and it fell into the mafia hands, they might have incentive to keep quiet about it. And I still say BM could have picked a cop with a "i'm going to win this game for the town when i come out with all this information day 3!!!!" attitude. On May 05 2010 11:14 Qatol wrote: All I want to know is whether we have a roleblocker out there working against us. Personally, I'd like to know what the mafia can do. Maybe it won't matter, maybe we wind up in a situation where we should have a DT roleclaim while we drop our medic on them. I'd like to know if that is an option. Fair enough. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 05 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote: ##Vote Sidesprang## after reading through everything, i agree that sidesprang would be a good lynch target why aren't people using the compvig vote idea that was brought up earlier in the game? Okay so you read through everything. You agree that the logic on sidesprang is a good target. Why are you still not saying anything? No impressions? No analysis? You point out that we aren't using the compvig vote idea, but then you don't even suggest a target? This sort of posting behavior is exactly why I am calling you out. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On May 05 2010 11:33 johnnyspazz wrote: ##Vote Sidesprang## after reading through everything, i agree that sidesprang would be a good lynch target why aren't people using the compvig vote idea that was brought up earlier in the game? I was against it given the inactivity of the town day 1. Day's almost over anyways, might as well start discussing it now. | ||
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