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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 |
On September 25 2013 00:52 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 00:49 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 22:40 UmberBane wrote:On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit I'm actually really happy that these "EU originated picks" like Kassadin and Aatrox etc. work out so nicely internationally. This probably means that also the Korean scene will get much more diverse in the future, as people realize that there's much more stuff that can be played at a high level succesfully. To me Korea has often felt very conservative in picks, although very diverse in playing different sets of strategies with similar picks. Man, in the end I'm just already super hyped for Champions Winter lmao. Are you kidding me? You're pretty much saying eu invented all this great stuff that now korea is going to use. All while ignoring the fact that korea pretty much set the standard in basic champ pools for the majority of season 3 No he didn't ignore Koreas contribution to the champ pools, he said Kr doesn't know everything and they'll take back information they learned internationally and use it and innovate upon it
Kass has been used in ogn before.... aatrox is probably one pick they'll look over. But that's like a singular pick. Also wtf is with idea of conservative picks in kr? This is the region that brought Heimerdinger jungle and mordekaiser support. Also the region that used leblanc too.
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On September 25 2013 01:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 00:52 MattBarry wrote:On September 25 2013 00:49 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 22:40 UmberBane wrote:On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit I'm actually really happy that these "EU originated picks" like Kassadin and Aatrox etc. work out so nicely internationally. This probably means that also the Korean scene will get much more diverse in the future, as people realize that there's much more stuff that can be played at a high level succesfully. To me Korea has often felt very conservative in picks, although very diverse in playing different sets of strategies with similar picks. Man, in the end I'm just already super hyped for Champions Winter lmao. Are you kidding me? You're pretty much saying eu invented all this great stuff that now korea is going to use. All while ignoring the fact that korea pretty much set the standard in basic champ pools for the majority of season 3 No he didn't ignore Koreas contribution to the champ pools, he said Kr doesn't know everything and they'll take back information they learned internationally and use it and innovate upon it Kass has been used in ogn before.... aatrox is probably one pick they'll look over. But that's like a singular pick. Also wtf is with idea of conservative picks in kr? This is the region that brought Heimerdinger jungle and mordekaiser support. Also the region that used leblanc too.
How about Lissandra, maybe they'll like how C9 used Ashe, maybe they like the Eu double assassin style instead of Korean standard double tank with 1 assassin. Korea can learn from foreigners and i'm interested in how they apply what they learn and evolve it
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On September 24 2013 23:30 oneofthem wrote:
i think we'll see more kassadin, prob from faker
Royal picking Kassadin is a very real possibility if Fizz+Annie gets banned out. It was actually Wh1t3zz's signature champ through all of LPL Spring and still saw some playin LPL Summer.
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Wrong thread, disregard my existence.
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On September 24 2013 22:19 nokz88 wrote:
C9 is a great team, only EU fanboys refuse to see how close the series was and instead prefer to jerk how much EU > NA.
Kim Dongjun and Cloudtemplar were both amazed at C9's teamfight coordination, individual skill(especially Balls' Rumble) and highly praised their "team concept" as they called it. I feel sad we only got to watch one goddamn series from them.
I think they lean a bit to much on the rumble ults and good team fight in general. reminds me a bit of cj frost style only lemonation is no madlife. I think next season cloud9 really needs to get a stronger mid and they can be a true contender.
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Germany9118 Posts
oh cool, today its 4 am again.
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On September 25 2013 01:00 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 00:52 MattBarry wrote:On September 25 2013 00:49 wei2coolman wrote:On September 24 2013 22:40 UmberBane wrote:On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit I'm actually really happy that these "EU originated picks" like Kassadin and Aatrox etc. work out so nicely internationally. This probably means that also the Korean scene will get much more diverse in the future, as people realize that there's much more stuff that can be played at a high level succesfully. To me Korea has often felt very conservative in picks, although very diverse in playing different sets of strategies with similar picks. Man, in the end I'm just already super hyped for Champions Winter lmao. Are you kidding me? You're pretty much saying eu invented all this great stuff that now korea is going to use. All while ignoring the fact that korea pretty much set the standard in basic champ pools for the majority of season 3 No he didn't ignore Koreas contribution to the champ pools, he said Kr doesn't know everything and they'll take back information they learned internationally and use it and innovate upon it Kass has been used in ogn before.... aatrox is probably one pick they'll look over. But that's like a singular pick. Also wtf is with idea of conservative picks in kr? This is the region that brought Heimerdinger jungle and mordekaiser support. Also the region that used leblanc too.
Maybe I'm just circlejerking off Montecristo's opinion here, or maybe I perceive it differently because I very rarely watch LCS games, while I absorb every second of OGN, but I still feel like Koreans tend to tunnel on certain picks too heavily, while there are actually plenty of other options that could work in certain situations. I simply think that in S3 many regions copied Korea, but added some of their own stuff on top of it. Naturally, Koreans were almost exclusively looking at their own meta since they are the pinnacle of the global scene after all, and only took input from other regions after international tournaments (Diamond's Eve at Allstars is a good example), leaving them with more "standard" picks, because they are the ones who define that "standard play". The fact that it's still, at least to me, by far the most exciting region comes from the variety and level of strategies and plays that the Koreans execute, but with similar champions. I just think that teams in Champions could have incorporated picks like Kassadin, Aatrox, Leona or whoever it may be into their play to great success, and I think/hope they will be more open about input from other regions (EU/CN?) in the future, because it contains great potential to beat the teams in their own region, and they naturally would be able to process outside input the quickest, due to their coaching and analyst teams.
But hey, if you don't think so, that's totally fine. I wasn't trying to insult Koreans or anything, so I'd say don't worry about it.
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Would love to see C9 competing on the EU LCS, NA scene just too easy for them.
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On September 25 2013 01:32 LaNague wrote:
oh cool, today its 4 am again.
Well, on the bright side, we can watch OMG vs RC at 7-8 a.m.
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On September 25 2013 01:34 AA.spoon wrote:Well, on the bright side, we can watch OMG vs RC at 7-8 a.m.
That's actually awesome! Worlds fixing the sleep schedule again that it destroyed.
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Germany9118 Posts
I have to go to university and go to a business managment course, which i freaking despise. Its the worst pseudo sience in the world, but you need one course for "leadership qualities".
Soooo, cant watch TT
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On September 25 2013 01:44 LaNague wrote:
I have to go to university and go to a business managment course, which i freaking despise. Its the worst pseudo sience in the world, but you need one course for "leadership qualities".
Soooo, cant watch TT
You're already having courses? Do the semesters start on different dates in different fed. states?
I guess I'm lucky because I won't have to go until the 14th, which means I can watch all of Worlds easily and then still have more than a week to get ready. :3
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On September 25 2013 01:49 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 01:44 LaNague wrote:
I have to go to university and go to a business managment course, which i freaking despise. Its the worst pseudo sience in the world, but you need one course for "leadership qualities".
Soooo, cant watch TT You're already having courses? Do the semesters start on different dates in different fed. states? I guess I'm lucky because I won't have to go until the 14th, which means I can watch all of Worlds easily and then still have more than a week to get ready. :3
I've been in class for a month already....
I'm interested to see how Gama Bears will do since I've never seen any of their play before.
As for the CN/CN series I really don't have much of an interest in either team, just hope it's a close Bo3.
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Hehe I meant federal states of Germany. 
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I'm so bummed C9 lost. Worst part was, I missed all of the good games yesterday, and just caught the stomp of C9 in game 3. -.-
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who knows anything about the bears?
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On September 25 2013 02:06 nosliw wrote:
who knows anything about the bears?
They're 3-0 and play the Lions on Sunday
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damn... inb4 edward back to gamibt voidle was sooo bad in those 2 games and lost it by getting hooked everytime in lane.
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On September 24 2013 18:18 mr_tolkien wrote:
What is fun about this NA bashing is that the most dominant NA team ever (Cloud 9) lost to Fnatic, which, even though they're arguably very good, went 15-13 in the regular season, putting them pretty much in 5th place (before tiebreakers were played).
This goes to show the depth of the EU scene compared to the NA one. A team this dominant on a given scene should crush a team that goes 50/50 in a season, or at least I would have hoped so.
(Ok, this is completly free trolling, but god NA has been so condescending in the last months).
This is hilarious. Lemondogs? hello? How did that 18-10 and 14-4 after the roster changes work out at worlds? Lemondogs legitimately lost to TSM, a team that lost FOUR times to a team like CLG. You are crazy if you think this fnatic is a team that would go 15-13 in the regular season. They dominated playoffs for a reason and it's not because they're "clutch". Fnatic also has a really unique playstyle that takes time to getting used to and something that isn't easy to prepare for.
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Both Worlds and playoffs are infinitely more accommodating to Fnatic format-wise. Fnatic is a team that looks a lot better against opponents they can prep for, and the LCS Bo1 format makes them appear weaker than they are. Worlds groupstage was actually quite good to them seeing as one of their opponents was one they were familiar with, two more they probably considered not strong enough to even be worth prepping for (they were mostly right, though they paid the price for their hubris losing a game to Vulcun), and the one team that they probably considered a real contender happened to drop the ball. Fnatic probably would have looked a lot weaker if they had LD's spot in group A, simply because there would be more teams they'd have to worry about, which would cut the quality of their prep.
Still, calling Fnatic anything other than the best EU team in this format is laughable.
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