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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] + Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis! No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 | ||
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koziol
Poland768 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:13 AsnSensation wrote: MYM week 1 was 4-1 and fnatic has been running tp shenanigans since season 2. well fnc stopped it in s3 spring then, since it was kinda surprise for most of the teams in summer as far as i remember. and ye it was like 4-1 but it was a surprse, they only lost to ATN who were really strong early. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:15 koziol wrote: well fnc stopped it in s3 spring then, since it was kinda surprise for most of the teams in summer as far as i remember. and ye it was like 4-1 but it was a surprse, they only lost to ATN who were really strong early. doesn't change the fact that MYM neither went 6-0 nor "invented tp in eu meta" :o it's proven more of a hindrance to them actually that czaru's d button seems to be broken and he can't change his summoner spell to ignite. | ||
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nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
Kim Dongjun and Cloudtemplar were both amazed at C9's teamfight coordination, individual skill(especially Balls' Rumble) and highly praised their "team concept" as they called it. I feel sad we only got to watch one goddamn series from them. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:05 koziol wrote: well really im surprised of so many ppl saying FNC is much better team. it was hard for me to call whos gonna win (I ofc wanted FNC to win) but srsly, the first game could go either way, and as FNC said, they had plan for first game and if it would fail the bo3 would go totally diffrent. sure FNC had late game champs, but one better fight from C9 around dragon or not being killed few times in bushes would have give them a lead and we know they can end the games. I think C9 did really good job and i really started to like them. they never had a huge gold diffrence n the first game even. about metoes jungling: i really like it, overall thanks to his hardcore jungle cleaning they had like 1-2k gold more than fnc due to his like 120 farm vs 50 on cynaide. I think it was good strategy in first game where in the laning phase fnc didnt have much potential to kill (both TP champs need some items to actually do dmg early and u can avoid obvious tp engages with superior vision which u could probably afford due to hardcore jungling). anyways after seeing that jungle style i really want to see more international competition. Riot should consider some showmatches in LA when all teams are there (or well they rather go disneyland i guess):/ edit: oh i also wanna point out that it was MYM that first started using tp in 'euro-meta' and they went 6-0 in the first week with it. Then all the teams picked it up vs MYM and MYM ended as a last team in summer EULCS. but still it was MYM who like 'invented' it. ??? Fnatic has been running TP on sOAZ/xPeke since Season 2. See: IPL5. MYM might have used it as well but there are not where near as proficient as Fnatic's solo lanes. On September 24 2013 22:19 nokz88 wrote: C9 is a great team, only EU fanboys refuse to see how close the series was and instead prefer to jerk how much EU > NA. Kim Dongjun and Cloudtemplar were both amazed at C9's teamfight coordination, individual skill(especially Balls' Rumble) and highly praised their "team concept" as they called it. I feel sad we only got to watch one goddamn series from them. I concur. If KR analysts/commentators think they're solid, I feel like there's little room left to judge. C9 has their obvious shortcomings but they'll improve more in S4. Not bad for a one split team imoimo. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Game 2, he was clearing as super-fast Elise while Cyanide was on the slower J4. Game 3 when Vlad died to a gank, Meteos made 10+ cs from covering the bot tower while Cyanide immediatly returned to the jungle. I mean, sure he always finds farm and he gets it and all, but he doesn't create it out of nowhere, nor does he find it all in his own jungle by simply clearing, people should consider the other factors too. I don't think Meteos' jungling would work as well without lane swaps since it wouldn't let him cover/hold lanes (or push towers hardcore) as much, and because he doesn't gank much he'd be reliant on his laners creating an opportunity (eg forcing a back while he's nearby so he can come, shove and go back to the jungle or take the tower) or dying. The latter tends to happen more often with C9's early being their weak point. They also like to give Balls champions like Kennen or Rumble, who have either little farm requirements (Zhonya's is pretty much the only core item on Kennen, although anythin beyond that is good of course) or aren't splitpushers and won't farm the sidelanes (Rumble, unless he's really behind, tends to cede farm as teams start grouping). If balls played stuff like Zed, Jax, Shen, etc. in the off lane more, you wouldn't see Meteos being able to farm as much. There's more to it than just bawling at the cs number besides his portrait, you've got to look at the implications for C9's picks and playstyle and the trades they make for it. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
These stagnant NA teams are just hurting themselves keeping players that can't compete. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:21 SnK-Arcbound wrote: I think the EU is doing so well because of their huge champion pools. SKT did well because Faker has a huge champion pool. Ozone failed because of their rather small pool. It's also possible that Fnatic is just really fucking good with kassadin, or that people aren't shutting him down properly. Most of the players in NA play like 3-4 champions confortable and well enough. Most of NA only have one style also, which is a huge flaw. These stagnant NA teams are just hurting themselves keeping players that can't compete. C9 chose not to ban Kassadin, and as much as I harp on C9 and NA being trash, I give the credit of doing their research and preparing at least somewhat competently. If they didn't ban Kassadin, it's because they felt they could deal with him. Obviously this didn't end up working out for them, but at least they thought they could deal with Kassadin. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote: I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit because Kassadin has never been firstpicked by fnatic. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
They had problems with being behind and letting Kassadin get to Tear+ Catalyst ezpz | ||
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koziol
Poland768 Posts
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Vequeth
United Kingdom1116 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:13 AsnSensation wrote: MYM week 1 was 4-1 and fnatic has been running tp shenanigans since season 2. Yeah, remember cyanide on TP/smite voli, with xpeke also having TP on mid lane. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:34 koziol wrote: well I wasnt around in s2. I came just when s3 spring started and as far as i remember TP wasnt that popular and puszu running it every game kinda let them go 4-1. puszu on tp man of the tournament imo. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit I'm actually really happy that these "EU originated picks" like Kassadin and Aatrox etc. work out so nicely internationally. This probably means that also the Korean scene will get much more diverse in the future, as people realize that there's much more stuff that can be played at a high level succesfully. To me Korea has often felt very conservative in picks, although very diverse in playing different sets of strategies with similar picks. Man, in the end I'm just already super hyped for Champions Winter lmao. | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:36 AsnSensation wrote: puszu on tp man of the tournament imo. TP in the bush followed by a point blank range Arrow ! Next meta. | ||
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koziol
Poland768 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:36 AsnSensation wrote: puszu on tp man of the tournament imo. no puszu, i meant Czaru, those names are similar in polish actually. | ||
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit ??? Cheep plz. If Kass's early wasn't that shitty, you would've seen him picked far more frequently during the TF/Karthus heyday a few months ago. xPeke plays a really strong Kass and Fnatic as a team filters kills and farm to him whenever possible. For a champion that's essentially nonexistent in either LCS (besides Fnatic) and once a blue moon in KR (Faker, sup?), I think you're underselling xPeke on what is one of his signature champions. That said, someone more knowledgeable about the EU answer me, was C9's ban on Ori over Kassadin the right call? Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but I feel that if you take out Aatrox already for Cyanide, Kass is a better ban than Ori. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On September 24 2013 22:43 koziol wrote: no puszu, i meant Czaru, those names are similar in polish actually. how are the similiar? from the meaning? or pronunciation? Because they, except for the u at the end, don't look alike at all. | ||
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