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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 |
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On September 24 2013 22:45 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit ??? Cheep plz. If Kass's early wasn't that shitty, you would've seen him picked far more frequently during the TF/Karthus heyday a few months ago. xPeke plays a really strong Kass and Fnatic as a team filters kills and farm to him whenever possible. For a champion that's essentially nonexistent in either LCS (besides Fnatic) and once a blue moon in KR (Faker, sup?), I think you're underselling xPeke on what is one of his signature champions. That said, someone more knowledgeable about the EU answer me, was C9's ban on Ori over Kassadin the right call? Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but I feel that if you take out Aatrox already for Cyanide, Kass is a better ban than Ori.
neo pls
its shitty but nowhere near shitty enough to make up for his absurd bat shit op mid and late game
people like to perpetuate this myth of kass is so bad that if you shut him down early he'll never make an impact which is blatantly false
then again people said the same thing about vlad and mrode back when they were the most overpowered things ever
the "he's weak early you just gotta shut him down in lane" argument against heroes being op has a track record of 0% accuracy lol i mean part of the reason kass is strong right now is cause all the really gay shit that stomped him (jayce, khazix) got nerfed
they play some kass in china neo pls if u watched lpl you'd know
i think the ori ban was stupid as fuck but what do i know
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On September 24 2013 22:56 Keniji wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:43 koziol wrote:On September 24 2013 22:36 AsnSensation wrote:On September 24 2013 22:34 koziol wrote:
well I wasnt around in s2. I came just when s3 spring started and as far as i remember TP wasnt that popular and puszu running it every game kinda let them go 4-1. puszu on tp man of the tournament imo. no puszu, i meant Czaru, those names are similar in polish actually. how are the similiar? from the meaning? or pronunciation? Because they, except for the u at the end, don't look alike at all.
from pronunciation, 'cz' and 'sz' sound really similiar. i actually thought puszu was polish when i first saw him in FNC :p
edit: ye and that 'u' at the end also got me confused
edit2: wow LoL posts made me a hydralisk! i was z ergling since SCBW times 
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I also think they should have banned Kassadin instead of Orianna, because despite being a strong Ori player Peke is better with Kassadin imo.. Maybe they wanted to bait the Kass pick because they thought they could hardcounter him.
On another hand Fnatic banning Kassadin in the 2nd game is still a mistery for me
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On September 24 2013 22:19 nokz88 wrote:
C9 is a great team, only EU fanboys refuse to see how close the series was and instead prefer to jerk how much EU > NA.
Kim Dongjun and Cloudtemplar were both amazed at C9's teamfight coordination, individual skill(especially Balls' Rumble) and highly praised their "team concept" as they called it. I feel sad we only got to watch one goddamn series from them.
It was close, and C9 are clearly a good team, definitely the best in America. But I also think Fanatic were just much better. Being cool under pressure, and edging out close games is exactly what a top team should be able to do. In the first game it was even, and then C9 just collapsed. The last game snowballed, but C9 never looked like they were going to get back in it.
It's a bit hard to get across what I mean, so I'll try and use a tortured analogy When you play table tennis, and it goes to a deuce, the best player will win 90% of the time, because they can handle the extra pressure and win time and time again. The game will still have been close, and there's that 10% chance of a couple of lucky edges or mishits, but anyone who says it could have gone either way isn't really doing justice to the winner.
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On September 24 2013 22:45 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit ??? Cheep plz. If Kass's early wasn't that shitty, you would've seen him picked far more frequently during the TF/Karthus heyday a few months ago. xPeke plays a really strong Kass and Fnatic as a team filters kills and farm to him whenever possible. For a champion that's essentially nonexistent in either LCS (besides Fnatic) and once a blue moon in KR (Faker, sup?), I think you're underselling xPeke on what is one of his signature champions. That said, someone more knowledgeable about the EU answer me, was C9's ban on Ori over Kassadin the right call? Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but I feel that if you take out Aatrox already for Cyanide, Kass is a better ban than Ori.
imo it's more to do with Ori's ult that made C9 ban her, instead of Xpeke's ability to play her.(he does play a mean Ori though) Well atleast for game 3 with Kennen and nocturne needing to dive in deep, Orianna's ult would do so much more then a Kassadin could in a teamfight where C9 dives in deep.
Could they perhaps fear her like they fear a Vlad ?
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On September 24 2013 22:45 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit ??? Cheep plz. If Kass's early wasn't that shitty, you would've seen him picked far more frequently during the TF/Karthus heyday a few months ago. xPeke plays a really strong Kass and Fnatic as a team filters kills and farm to him whenever possible. For a champion that's essentially nonexistent in either LCS (besides Fnatic) and once a blue moon in KR (Faker, sup?), I think you're underselling xPeke on what is one of his signature champions. That said, someone more knowledgeable about the EU answer me, was C9's ban on Ori over Kassadin the right call? Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but I feel that if you take out Aatrox already for Cyanide, Kass is a better ban than Ori.
Unless they were afraid of a specific composition/combo, I'd say Kass was far more important to ban than Orianna. A good Ori is scary because she's so good at setting-up plays and saving people with her shield and stuff, but she's more about pressuring than killing people, in the end (esp. during sieges), while Kassadin is the kind of champion who can single-handedly undo a team.
When I saw all bans, my first thought was "woah, so much attention to mid lane", and the second one "Kassadin's left open with all the annoying stuff banned out, that's instalock material". And it happened.
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On September 24 2013 22:45 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit ??? Cheep plz. If Kass's early wasn't that shitty, you would've seen him picked far more frequently during the TF/Karthus heyday a few months ago. xPeke plays a really strong Kass and Fnatic as a team filters kills and farm to him whenever possible. For a champion that's essentially nonexistent in either LCS (besides Fnatic) and once a blue moon in KR (Faker, sup?), I think you're underselling xPeke on what is one of his signature champions. That said, someone more knowledgeable about the EU answer me, was C9's ban on Ori over Kassadin the right call? Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but I feel that if you take out Aatrox already for Cyanide, Kass is a better ban than Ori.
Hai even said in an interview for at least game 3 they should have banned Kass over Ori because she's "easier to deal with" but they lost themselves in the moment and didn't think the ban through.
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i think we'll see more kassadin, prob from faker
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Hai would have lost regardless, the guy has never impressed me individually
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There's honestly just too many OPs/FotMs anymore to ban out everyone/
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On September 24 2013 23:35 Headshot wrote:
There's honestly just too many OPs/FotMs anymore to ban out everyone/
Must be balanced then
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On September 24 2013 23:02 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:45 NeoIllusions wrote:On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit ??? Cheep plz. If Kass's early wasn't that shitty, you would've seen him picked far more frequently during the TF/Karthus heyday a few months ago. xPeke plays a really strong Kass and Fnatic as a team filters kills and farm to him whenever possible. For a champion that's essentially nonexistent in either LCS (besides Fnatic) and once a blue moon in KR (Faker, sup?), I think you're underselling xPeke on what is one of his signature champions. That said, someone more knowledgeable about the EU answer me, was C9's ban on Ori over Kassadin the right call? Obviously hindsight is 20/20 but I feel that if you take out Aatrox already for Cyanide, Kass is a better ban than Ori. imo it's more to do with Ori's ult that made C9 ban her, instead of Xpeke's ability to play her.(he does play a mean Ori though) Well atleast for game 3 with Kennen and nocturne needing to dive in deep, Orianna's ult would do so much more then a Kassadin could in a teamfight where C9 dives in deep. Could they perhaps fear her like they fear a Vlad ?
Yep, they wanted nothing to do with her shockwave.
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Kass has ALWAYS had a terrible laning phase. It just so happens with the S3 changes of increase passive gold, flasks and pots, and then later on dorans shield+pot start. He is much stronger early game. I still remember xpeke would run hpregen quints and play insanely defensively in s1 and s2 in bad matchups and still be insanely behind.
Those 2 games, were just ideal for Kassadin with all the mid focus bans. And especially on xpeke and fnatics way of funneling gold into him. They planned it very well or it worked out really well cause C9 just forgot about Kassadin because no one in NA knows how to lane him or teamfight with him effectively.
Duo mid still wrecks the shit outta him.
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I wonder if NA meta will pull a China and teams innovate specifically to best C9
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On September 25 2013 00:24 SHr3DD3r wrote:
Kass has ALWAYS had a terrible laning phase. It just so happens with the S3 changes of increase passive gold, flasks and pots, and then later on dorans shield+pot start. He is much stronger early game. I still remember xpeke would run hpregen quints and play insanely defensively in s1 and s2 in bad matchups and still be insanely behind.
Those 2 games, were just ideal for Kassadin with all the mid focus bans. And especially on xpeke and fnatics way of funneling gold into him. They planned it very well or it worked out really well cause C9 just forgot about Kassadin because no one in NA knows how to lane him or teamfight with him effectively.
Duo mid still wrecks the shit outta him.
It's a little reminiscent of the queen buff for Zerg in WoL. Better survivability early game lets you reach your stupidly powerful lategame.
I think Kassadin is a blast to play - you simply delete people - but he's pretty ridiculous in terms of power right now. All you have to do is hit 6 and not be too far behind and eventually you'll be unstoppable unless the enemy team blows everything on you and even then they need to chain cc you to stop you.
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On September 24 2013 21:19 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 13:28 eshlow wrote:
I feel cheated in the C9-Fnatic match
Anyone remember the GOM TV bo5 Jaedong vs Bisu showmatch about 5-6 years ago where it was 2-2 and we had just seen some of the most epic PvZ ever...... then in the 5th game Bisu doesn't hold-position his probe allowing 6 lings into his base and loses.
Yeah. So anticlimatic
i loved it it was great :D Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 14:36 wei2coolman wrote:Meteos is jungler koreans want to be. They're too tired being 2ndry ward bitches. They just don't know about lovelin, wards and kills. Sup son. meteos style isnt actually goooooood it requires your lanes to win 4v5s lol only looks good vs trash tier NA teams, it would get dismantled by any asian style (unfortunately we wont even get to see this since they got rocked by fnatic) i hat eit when people hype meteos and say farm jungle is viable. yea ofc you look good when you 1v1 the other jungler cause you just spent the last 10 minutes farming, doesnt mean your team wins the game when all your lanes collapse when put against real competition lol. fnc doesnt even have a top jungler relatively, it wouldve been so satisfying so see c9 style get destroyed by an asian team ~_~
I think it's a good style against certain comps. It's just a niche style that excels in certain situations
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On September 24 2013 22:40 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit I'm actually really happy that these "EU originated picks" like Kassadin and Aatrox etc. work out so nicely internationally. This probably means that also the Korean scene will get much more diverse in the future, as people realize that there's much more stuff that can be played at a high level succesfully. To me Korea has often felt very conservative in picks, although very diverse in playing different sets of strategies with similar picks. Man, in the end I'm just already super hyped for Champions Winter lmao.
Are you kidding me? You're pretty much saying eu invented all this great stuff that now korea is going to use. All while ignoring the fact that korea pretty much set the standard in basic champ pools for the majority of season 3
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On September 24 2013 23:00 Tal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:19 nokz88 wrote:
C9 is a great team, only EU fanboys refuse to see how close the series was and instead prefer to jerk how much EU > NA.
Kim Dongjun and Cloudtemplar were both amazed at C9's teamfight coordination, individual skill(especially Balls' Rumble) and highly praised their "team concept" as they called it. I feel sad we only got to watch one goddamn series from them. It was close, and C9 are clearly a good team, definitely the best in America. But I also think Fanatic were just much better. Being cool under pressure, and edging out close games is exactly what a top team should be able to do. In the first game it was even, and then C9 just collapsed. The last game snowballed, but C9 never looked like they were going to get back in it. It's a bit hard to get across what I mean, so I'll try and use a tortured analogy When you play table tennis, and it goes to a deuce, the best player will win 90% of the time, because they can handle the extra pressure and win time and time again. The game will still have been close, and there's that 10% chance of a couple of lucky edges or mishits, but anyone who says it could have gone either way isn't really doing justice to the winner.
Agreed, and the reason for that is due to the massive amount of experience Fnatic has in these situations. They've been a team for years, they know each other well and they know how to handle these types of situations. C9 are talented and have an effective, unique playstyle, but just lack that experience playing in clutch situations. Their dominance of NA LCS was awesome, but didn't give them any real experience playing from behind against a team like Fnatic, which is why they lost this series.
With an extra year of experience (hopefully playing more international teams) under their belt, Cloud 9 will be a serious contender for Season 4.
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On September 25 2013 00:49 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:40 UmberBane wrote:On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit I'm actually really happy that these "EU originated picks" like Kassadin and Aatrox etc. work out so nicely internationally. This probably means that also the Korean scene will get much more diverse in the future, as people realize that there's much more stuff that can be played at a high level succesfully. To me Korea has often felt very conservative in picks, although very diverse in playing different sets of strategies with similar picks. Man, in the end I'm just already super hyped for Champions Winter lmao. Are you kidding me? You're pretty much saying eu invented all this great stuff that now korea is going to use. All while ignoring the fact that korea pretty much set the standard in basic champ pools for the majority of season 3
lol
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On September 25 2013 00:49 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 22:40 UmberBane wrote:On September 24 2013 22:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 24 2013 22:28 AsnSensation wrote:
I don't think anyone saw the firstpick Kassadin coming. why not? kass is not nearly as easy to shut down as people thinkg there's this myth that floats around about "you just gotta shut him down early!" LOL man that myth is so bullshit I'm actually really happy that these "EU originated picks" like Kassadin and Aatrox etc. work out so nicely internationally. This probably means that also the Korean scene will get much more diverse in the future, as people realize that there's much more stuff that can be played at a high level succesfully. To me Korea has often felt very conservative in picks, although very diverse in playing different sets of strategies with similar picks. Man, in the end I'm just already super hyped for Champions Winter lmao. Are you kidding me? You're pretty much saying eu invented all this great stuff that now korea is going to use. All while ignoring the fact that korea pretty much set the standard in basic champ pools for the majority of season 3
No he didn't ignore Koreas contribution to the champ pools, he said Kr doesn't know everything and they'll take back information they learned internationally and use it and innovate upon it
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