EPT[S3 Worlds] Quarterfinals - Page 211
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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] + Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis! No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I've had my eye on Royal since they upset iG at TGA Grand Prix the week before IPL5, and have hyped Uzi's talent as an ADC since then. Not to mention that I was a fan of pretty much every Tabe+Wh1t3zz team in their various iterations before that. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
On September 25 2013 02:20 Itsmedudeman wrote: This is hilarious. Lemondogs? hello? How did that 18-10 and 14-4 after the roster changes work out at worlds? Lemondogs legitimately lost to TSM, a team that lost FOUR times to a team like CLG. You are crazy if you think this fnatic is a team that would go 15-13 in the regular season. They dominated playoffs for a reason and it's not because they're "clutch". Fnatic also has a really unique playstyle that takes time to getting used to and something that isn't easy to prepare for. You know whats hilarious? The only teams that that TSM and Vulcun managed to edge is mineski and gg.eu respectively. C9 lost the first match they played. NA teams went 6-13 in their games, while EU teams are 19-12. Yet You still talk shit on lemondogs and try to downplay fnatics results. If MyM or Alternate lost 26-2 to fnatic this board would be full of people calling them shit, C9 loses like that and it doesnt mean anything somehow. + Show Spoiler + I am not calling C9 bad. Quite the oposite. I am just sick of people disrespecting DEU teams without reasons. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On September 25 2013 02:31 TheYango wrote: Both Worlds and playoffs are infinitely more accommodating to Fnatic format-wise. Fnatic is a team that looks a lot better against opponents they can prep for, and the LCS Bo1 format makes them appear weaker than they are. Worlds groupstage was actually quite good to them seeing as one of their opponents was one they were familiar with, two more they probably considered not strong enough to even be worth prepping for (they were mostly right, though they paid the price for their hubris losing a game to Vulcun), and the one team that they probably considered a real contender happened to drop the ball. Fnatic probably would have looked a lot weaker if they had LD's spot in group A, simply because there would be more teams they'd have to worry about, which would cut the quality of their prep. Still, calling Fnatic anything other than the best EU team in this format is laughable. Are you still confident about Royal chances against OMG, considering your running statement that OMG tends to underperform in BoX series (as opposed to what you said of Fnatic here)? | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
I'd say the 2 teams should be ~50/50 against each other. It's a really hard series to call, IMO. The one thing I will say is that OMG has an advantage because they played on the stage at Worlds already. People have said the seeded teams get the advantage of seeing their opponents play while the groupstage teams have the advantage of being warmed up and comfortable playing on the Worlds stage. But Royal's advantage of seeing OMG on stage is nullified by how much the teams have played each other before. They didn't see anything they didn't already know about. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 25 2013 02:51 Silvanel wrote: You know whats hilarious? The only teams that that TSM and Vulcun managed to edge is mineski and gg.eu respectively. C9 lost the first match they played. NA teams went 6-13 in their games, while EU teams are 19-12. Yet You still talk shit on lemondogs and try to downplay fnatics results. If MyM or Alternate lost 26-2 to fnatic this board would be full of people calling them shit, C9 loses like that and it doesnt mean anything somehow. + Show Spoiler + I am not calling C9 bad. Quite the oposite. I am just sick of people disrespecting DEU teams without reasons. ? I wasn't the one who fired the shots. Saying that Fnatic is doing so well despite being 15-13 in playoffs so other EU teams would do well is just a really, really, really stupid generalization to make. And score count matters for shit after a game. 2-0 first two kills onto 1 player ends up snowballing a game. Who knew? Now if they get shitstomped after a legit early game and lose like 3 times consecutively the same way then it means something. First two games were incredibly close. I'll admit that Fnatic was the better team in the bo3, but we should all know by now that other best of formats can change things dramatically. C9 only got a chance to play one series this entire tournament. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 25 2013 02:51 Silvanel wrote: You know whats hilarious? The only teams that that TSM and Vulcun managed to edge is mineski and gg.eu respectively. C9 lost the first match they played. NA teams went 6-13 in their games, while EU teams are 19-12. Yet You still talk shit on lemondogs and try to downplay fnatics results. If MyM or Alternate lost 26-2 to fnatic this board would be full of people calling them shit, C9 loses like that and it doesnt mean anything somehow. If I recall correctly, TSM went 1-1 with Lemondogs and Vulcun went 1-1 with Fnatic. Both NA wins were pretty darn convincing. You can blame bad pick/ban all you want, but pick/ban is part of the game. Also worth noting is that LD had almost the same win/loss as TSM in group stages (caveat being TSM played and lost a troll game agaisnt GG.eu). C9 went 1-2 against Fnatic; every game was pretty stompy. Game 3 very much so but that's the snowbally nature of the game when you go 0-2 at level 1. Fnatic is the better team right now, but a single set, in which C9 played pretty well, doesn't mean they're shit, especially when they've been playing very well all season. Also, your statement of "C9 lost the first match they played" is kinda dumb considering they (can) only played one match. Tournament formats favor some teams over others. Fnatic is one of the best teams in the world at taking advantage of tourney formats. Right now, EU is clearly better than NA, but saying NA is shit or super far behind is really disingenuous. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
china plz | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 25 2013 02:58 Itsmedudeman wrote: ? I wasn't the one who fired the shots. Saying that Fnatic is doing so well despite being 15-13 in playoffs so other EU teams would do well is just a really, really, really stupid generalization to make. Especially when the other 2 EU teams at the event did not do well either. The NA teams didn't do well either, but both regions are characterized by 1 team that vastly outperformed their sister teams. EU's #1 team was better than NA's #1 team, but it's silly to extrapolate the skill of the regions from that. Especially trying to argue that Fnatic somehow isn't the #1 team when two of the "better" teams both crashed and burned. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
Bears has raised arms and will win worlds. Gogo bears! | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
This shouldn't be a Ro8 match, even worse if the match is a good showing from both at it'll mean we have to part with a team that we'd have wanted to see more. :/ (The amount of people with either Royal or OMG picks in their fantasy teams is going to give some hilarious added hype/weight to this too, since it's the harder quarter to call.) | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
On September 25 2013 02:50 TheYango wrote: Royal, obviously. I've had my eye on Royal since they upset iG at TGA Grand Prix the week before IPL5, and have hyped Uzi's talent as an ADC since then. Not to mention that I was a fan of pretty much every Tabe+Wh1t3zz team in their various iterations before that. Still remember a game where they faced TL team in the finals of an ESL tournament. And Whitezz brought out his ap solo lane poppy during the good ol' days of stacking philo stone. And he was vs Shake's Cho too. Free farm in to 1shoting carries in to gg. lol | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:00 phyvo wrote: TPA had raised arms and won worlds. Bears has raised arms and will win worlds. Gogo bears! I want bears to win and use Voli in the final game. That skin would be fantastic | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4768 Posts
On September 25 2013 02:59 TheYango wrote: Especially when the other 2 EU teams at the event did not do well either. The NA teams didn't do well either, but both regions are characterized by 1 team that vastly outperformed their sister teams. EU's #1 team was better than NA's #1 team, but it's silly to extrapolate the skill of the regions from that. Especially trying to argue that Fnatic somehow isn't the #1 team when two of the "better" teams both crashed and burned. Yeah because Gambits performance is on the same level as TSMs and Vulcuns....Gambit took 2nd in group while both Vulcun and TSM went out in 4th place. Gambit performance is exactly the same as C9 (they both lost 2-1 in quaterfinals). | ||
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seRapH
United States9808 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:13 Silvanel wrote: Yeah because Gambits performance is on the same level as TSMs and Vulcuns....Gambit took 2nd in group while both Vulcun and TSM went out in 4th place. Gambit performance is exactly the same as C9 (they both lost 2-1 in quaterfinals). They barely edged out a win over vulcun and a slumping ozone. I'd hardly call their performance significantly better. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:13 Silvanel wrote: Yeah because Gambits performance is on the same level as TSMs and Vulcuns....Gambit took 2nd in group while both Vulcun and TSM went out in 4th place. Gambit performance is exactly the same as C9 (they both lost 2-1 in quaterfinals). It's like you only look at numbers and didn't watch any of the games. Gambit's play was on the same level as Ozone and not significantly better than Vulcun. It WAS better, yes. But again, not by such a wide margin that you can suddenly start extrapolating their performance to the other teams in both regions. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:20 seRapH wrote: They barely edged out a win over vulcun and a slumping ozone. I'd hardly call their performance significantly better. Vulcun couldn't even beat said slumping ozone. Please. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 25 2013 03:13 Silvanel wrote: Yeah because Gambits performance is on the same level as TSMs and Vulcuns....Gambit took 2nd in group while both Vulcun and TSM went out in 4th place. Gambit performance is exactly the same as C9 (they both lost 2-1 in quaterfinals). Well, you have to consider that SKT and OMG were virtually guaranteed 1st and 2nd, plus the fact that TSM pretty much threw their last game against GG.eu with troll picks, and the fact that if not for that game, TSM and LD would have the same score. Vulcun did not do that well outside of some splashes of brilliance, I agree. Still, using group standings is pretty stupid to guage "how well" a team did considering how difficult to get out of Group A was compared to Group B. I can almost guarantee you that if Gambit was in Group A they probably wouldn't have gotten out of groups. Heck, if Fnatic was in Group A they would've had a very very hard time as well. SKT and OMG are strong contenders to win the whole thing. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
This is why Fnatic's record in round robin is so mediocre compared to their playoffs/Worlds performance, not because their skill is in the middle of the pack among EU teams. I would expect an EU fan to know at least that much about their region's best team. Which is why I found it so hilarious that someone who watches EU LCS would actually cite that statistic like that. You only need a cursory knowledge of Fnatic to know why their round robin performance is mediocre and somehow the original poster couldn't even muster that much despite probably watching much more EU LCS than I do. | ||
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