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Two things as public notice: 1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum. 2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future. I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat. Enjoy the games~ -Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120 |
Na fanboys dumb excuses again, nothing to see here.
Clg take one game in worlds: USA,USA,USA meanwhile 2 semi's are eu
Clg is 4th place in dallas USAUSAUSA meanwhile 2 koreans are in the finals and clg.eu third place
Clg is 6 th place in ipl5 USAUSAUSA we place above BLAZE (a korean team) meanwhile they have to face fear twice to place much easier bracket then blaze. Oh i forget 2th place europe.
Dig/curse lose to europe gambit and korea ktb , we didnt prepare as much we would(as excuse).
Hey we won 1 match vs europe in the all star and na fanboys bragging and shittalking in this forum how eu lcs sucked.
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Vulcun showed us a very celar example of NA's game of throws, their games were quite discouraging on that matter.
Making good plays and then fucking it all doesnt mean you played well O.o
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On September 25 2013 03:34 skykh wrote:
Na fanboys dumb excuses again, nothing to see here.
Clg take one game in worlds: USA,USA,USA meanwhile 2 semi's are eu
Clg is 4th place in dallas USAUSAUSA meanwhile 2 koreans are in the finals and clg.eu third place
Clg is 6 th place in ipl5 USAUSAUSA we place above BLAZE (a korean team) meanwhile they have to face fear twice to place much easier bracket then blaze. Oh i forget 2th place europe.
Dig/curse lose to europe gambit and korea ktb , we didnt prepare as much we would(as excuse).
Hey we won 1 match vs europe in the all star and na fanboys bragging and shittalking in this forum how eu lcs sucked.
Anyone can tell you that I'm hardly an NA fanboy (I haven't given a damn about NA since I started watching primarily CN LoL since mid last year), but right now, many EU fans are being just as ridiculous as the NA fans they're looking down upon.
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A huge part of it too is that nearly EVERYBODY has low expectations for NA teams, so any sort of victory is pretty much exceeding expectations, and therefore worthy of celebration
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You dont know what would happen if fnatic was playing in group 1. Thats the point. Your opinions are based on "feelings" on Your personal judgament of team strenght. As such those opinions might very well be invalid. While i base mine on results. This aproach also has its flaws (too small sample-->lack of international play) but still is much more rational and objective than personal judgemnt of team strenght.
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On September 25 2013 03:47 seRapH wrote:
A huge part of it too is that nearly EVERYBODY has low expectations for NA teams, so any sort of victory is pretty much exceeding expectations, and therefore worthy of celebration
At least we weren't the worst at All-Stars.
hue
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EU should give credit to c9. Fnatic is playing silly right now, and it is going to take a lot to bring them down most likely. I usually hate on NA a lot myself, but c9 is different from TSM at last year's worlds. Taking a game off of fnatic is impressive, even if that third game was a stomp. I think that just showed their inexperience though, as double ap rarely works if you let the enemy team have champions like Shen, who can absorb all of that punishment throughout a fight.
Oh, and don't give peke Kassadin, especially if you're going for double ap.
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I don't agree with your analysis of Fnatic Yango. While they do analyze their opponents well and prepare for specific teams (which is already a must for any serious team) I think the "new" Fnatic rose out of their round robin slump as an entirely different and radically stronger team.
Specifically Cyanide grew from what was for a very long time an outright average jungler relying on farming champs like Nasus into the furious shot-calling diving little beast he is now, Yellowstar finally learned how to vision support properly and not get instagibbed while retaining his unusually aggresive play in lane, and most significantly the team adapted around Puszu's unique strengths and weaknesses, in particular his outlandish skillshot accuracy. What puszu and yellowstar are doing today when they get their hands on Leona is top level ruthless aggression they certainly did not display months ago.
I'd say today's Fanatic is on a different level than ever before all-around, preparation or not, and I look forward to verifying our respective hypotheses during their games with the top tier teams 
p.s. I hope they are keeping Puszu changing AD for whatever reason now would be a huge mistake he is like Tim Tebow just good.
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On September 25 2013 02:31 TheYango wrote:
Both Worlds and playoffs are infinitely more accommodating to Fnatic format-wise. Fnatic is a team that looks a lot better against opponents they can prep for, and the LCS Bo1 format makes them appear weaker than they are. Worlds groupstage was actually quite good to them seeing as one of their opponents was one they were familiar with, two more they probably considered not strong enough to even be worth prepping for (they were mostly right, though they paid the price for their hubris losing a game to Vulcun), and the one team that they probably considered a real contender happened to drop the ball. Fnatic probably would have looked a lot weaker if they had LD's spot in group A, simply because there would be more teams they'd have to worry about, which would cut the quality of their prep.
Still, calling Fnatic anything other than the best EU team in this format is laughable.
I'm pretty sure last week you were 100 % certain that Ozone would stomp everyone in the group.
Stop with the analysis shenanigans and just judge teams on their accomplishment. At world, fnatic proved itself as a great international team, period.
Also Gambit still qualified, so don't undermine their sucess.
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Everyone that watched OGN thought Ozone was gonna stomp everyone in the group. The patches hit Ozone much harder than many anticipated, and I don't think many expected Dade's champion pool to be quite that shallow. Ozone played like shit yes, but going into World's they were one of the favorites (along with SKT)
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On September 25 2013 04:07 Nos- wrote:
Everyone that watched OGN thought Ozone was gonna stomp everyone in the group. The patches hit Ozone much harder than many anticipated, and I don't think many expected Dade's champion pool to be quite that shallow. Ozone played like shit yes, but going into World's they were one of the favorites (along with SKT)
The patches....
And the jetlag right ?
Please stop. Just stop giving excuses left and right.
To be fair a bo3 doesn't mean shit to begin with. I'm pretty sure C9 could have won against fnatic, and from my perspective they were a little bit cocky and thought fnatic was an easy win (they stated they didn't prep enough, and their bans were sloppy) while fnatic is clearly the dominant "european" force of the season.
But still they lost, and there is nothing to add to that, just move on and stop with the bullshit.
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I'm not defending their performance in the tournament, just saying given their track record in OGN, it's not hard to see why they'd be favorites coming into the World's tournament.
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On September 25 2013 04:01 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 02:31 TheYango wrote:
Both Worlds and playoffs are infinitely more accommodating to Fnatic format-wise. Fnatic is a team that looks a lot better against opponents they can prep for, and the LCS Bo1 format makes them appear weaker than they are. Worlds groupstage was actually quite good to them seeing as one of their opponents was one they were familiar with, two more they probably considered not strong enough to even be worth prepping for (they were mostly right, though they paid the price for their hubris losing a game to Vulcun), and the one team that they probably considered a real contender happened to drop the ball. Fnatic probably would have looked a lot weaker if they had LD's spot in group A, simply because there would be more teams they'd have to worry about, which would cut the quality of their prep.
Still, calling Fnatic anything other than the best EU team in this format is laughable. I'm pretty sure last week you were 100 % certain that Ozone would stomp everyone in the group. Stop with the analysis shenanigans and just judge teams on their accomplishment. At world, fnatic proved itself as a great international team, period. Also Gambit still qualified, so don't undermine their sucess.
Actually, for the record:
On September 08 2013 13:17 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, if there's a Korean team that I expect to under-perform at Worlds, it's Ozone, because Dade choked insanely hard in their series vs. T1, which makes me question how he'll hold up under the pressure.
Even with Ozone playing on form, Fnatic in my mind was still the team most likely to upset given the groups.
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Why do people still argue with Yango ...
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Some people just love trying to call others out in hindsight. It's a sad truth.
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On September 25 2013 04:12 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 04:01 WhiteDog wrote:On September 25 2013 02:31 TheYango wrote:
Both Worlds and playoffs are infinitely more accommodating to Fnatic format-wise. Fnatic is a team that looks a lot better against opponents they can prep for, and the LCS Bo1 format makes them appear weaker than they are. Worlds groupstage was actually quite good to them seeing as one of their opponents was one they were familiar with, two more they probably considered not strong enough to even be worth prepping for (they were mostly right, though they paid the price for their hubris losing a game to Vulcun), and the one team that they probably considered a real contender happened to drop the ball. Fnatic probably would have looked a lot weaker if they had LD's spot in group A, simply because there would be more teams they'd have to worry about, which would cut the quality of their prep.
Still, calling Fnatic anything other than the best EU team in this format is laughable. I'm pretty sure last week you were 100 % certain that Ozone would stomp everyone in the group. Stop with the analysis shenanigans and just judge teams on their accomplishment. At world, fnatic proved itself as a great international team, period. Also Gambit still qualified, so don't undermine their sucess. Actually, for the record: Show nested quote +On September 08 2013 13:17 TheYango wrote:
Honestly, if there's a Korean team that I expect to under-perform at Worlds, it's Ozone, because Dade choked insanely hard in their series vs. T1, which makes me question how he'll hold up under the pressure. Even with Ozone playing on form, Fnatic in my mind was still the team most likely to upset given the groups.
Well, fnatic didn't upset shit. 7-1 isn't upset. They just straight up dominated their group.
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On September 25 2013 03:52 Kickboxer wrote:
p.s. I hope they are keeping Puszu changing AD for whatever reason now would be a huge mistake he is like Tim Tebow just good.
Puszu's shallow champion pool could be a big problem. He only plays on Corki>Varus>Ashe, which are easily banned out. Till now he can always get one of them because most teams focus on peke in ban picks. If they are facing teams like SKT which tends to pick their mid last, they might force him into uncomfortable picks. Hai's small pool was also not a problem either until yesterday when there were 5 bans in mid as well as a first picked kassadin.
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^^ ?? I don't think you know what an upset means ??
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On September 25 2013 04:20 RagequitBM wrote:
Some people just love trying to call others out in hindsight. It's a sad truth.
It's pretty hilarious people acting like they knew ozone was a shit tier team pre worlds.
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On September 25 2013 04:23 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2013 04:20 RagequitBM wrote:
Some people just love trying to call others out in hindsight. It's a sad truth. It's pretty hilarious people acting like they knew ozone was a shit tier team pre worlds.
Ozone isn't a shit tier team. Dade has been playing awful recently but aside from the Mata blunders, the rest of the team is pretty solid and Imp is still crazy good.
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