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ex-M5, SK, and ex-CLG.eu have all qualified for EU LCS already. Stop asking where they are.
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On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM.
I disagree. It might not fill as many people's pockets (managers/stakeholders/staff) but the little ones deserve as much of a chance as the big ones. What would the world look like now if only Apple and Microsoft were given "sponsorship" money for software? What games would we have now if not for the indies/small companys? Lets all play Starcraft's/Blizzard's Dota instead of Icefrog's or Riot's.
What organizations played Quake 3/WC3/CS/UT in the very beggining of esports? None. And the little "clans" evolved with sponsorship money and became what is now SK/Fnatic/MYM/Mouz/EG. What was CLG/TSM 3 years ago?
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oh god yellowstar with the ultra awkward laugh
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On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM.
I'm sorry but that is horribly insulting to players who have worked extremely hard to get better and secure financial stability for 6 months.
eSports is much too small and new to start making the "lack of infrastructure" argument against the success of smaller teams.
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Besides it's the best possibility for a team ever to get sponsors and build infrastructe, isn't it?
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Eve still doing %max health damage with her ult in this patch, right?
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On January 27 2013 02:48 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. I'm sorry but that is horribly insulting to players who have worked extremely hard to get better and secure financial stability for 6 months. eSports is much too small and new to start making the "lack of infrastructure" argument for smaller teams.
Exactly. Its a hypocritical POV imo.
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On January 27 2013 02:48 ShloobeR wrote:
oh god yellowstar with the ultra awkward laugh
Yea that ... muhaghughughhuauhguhguhguh laugh was really awkward!
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Especially if Riot provides the infrastructure. Its nice to see big names but if big names cant deliver than they dont deserve the chances. Otherwise we will have a mlg group where alot of people go out 0-5. The best ones should qualify to keep the level high.
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On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM.
Yeah you're clearly not.
I can see that.
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On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again?
You are mistaken.
Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters.
On January 27 2013 02:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah you're clearly not.
I can see that.
Keep your disdain for yourself.
@ The other people who answered : Sportively speaking, GIANTS! and CW qualifying is a great thing, on the bigger scheme on thing, the subsidies from Riot would have been better employed. That may conflict with your own beliefs but it's the truth. I am merely providing a different insight into what is really at stakes here. It isn't an insult to any player nor organization.
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On January 27 2013 02:51 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? You are mistaken. Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team in mind for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters.
I really like the Millennium squad but i dont see the added value from Flyy.
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On January 27 2013 02:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Yeah you're clearly not. I can see that.
The only problem I could see with that qualification for S3 is that the qualification is so important that it would be fair take a little more time than that. For exemple, I would love that the pool play were not in best of 1, because it can be a little shaky.
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On January 27 2013 02:51 Otolia wrote:
Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage.
Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right?
Also twitch lagging again?
You are mistaken.
Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team in mind for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters.
So this organization with strong infrastructure had no team in mind for S3 before IEM Cologne? That's just silly. Wolves, giants etc. have been focusing on s3 for much longer as they do not have an organization that can support them. Millenium showed up late, practiced for a week and a half and this is the result.
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On January 27 2013 02:51 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? You are mistaken. Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team in mind for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters.
What qualifies your team or fnatic's to be more deserving of a spot than wolves/MYM? Seniority? I think MYM is the oldest org there. Infrastructure? That only goes so far, as CW vs M displayed. Why do you speak of wolves and not Giants for example? They aren't that big of a organization, as far as i know, either.
I will go as far as say that M had a pretty good opportunity of qualifying and blew it when they have a much easier group than ATN, since both group A (and C) teams are qualified and those same teams are responsible for denying ATN a spot on the bracket.
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On January 27 2013 02:51 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? You are mistaken. Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters. Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah you're clearly not.
I can see that. Keep your disdain for yourself. @ The other people who answered : Sportively speaking, GIANTS! and CW qualifying is a great thing, on the bigger scheme on thing, the subsidies from Riot would have been better employed. That may conflict with your own beliefs but it's the truth. I am merely providing a different insight into what is really at stakes here. It isn't an insult to any player nor organization.
I'm not entirely convinced of that tho. Is it really worse to give young teams the finance and the spotlight aswell as help to build said infrastructre? Especially in such a young environment like esport?
While It is probably worse for SC2 (which did NOT brought me here btw.) I don't think it's actually worse for esport overall and certainly not worse for LoL.
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On January 27 2013 02:51 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? You are mistaken. Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters. Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah you're clearly not.
I can see that. Keep your disdain for yourself. @ The other people who answered : Sportively speaking, GIANTS! and CW qualifying is a great thing, on the bigger scheme on thing, the subsidies from Riot would have been better employed. That may conflict with your own beliefs but it's the truth. I am merely providing a different insight into what is really at stakes here. It isn't an insult to any player nor organization.
You are terribly misguided on this belief. I don't watch football, but i see the exact same argument being made by certain NBA fans. These fans are against the success of smaller markets, because to them, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really do anything. However, this viewpoint is extremely cynical and insulting to the players who spent their time working hard to achieve stability and success. What people like you don't understand is, no one starts out at the top. And once you are on the top, it doesn't give you a free pass to sporting success. You are still able to achieve financial success through your name and reputation, but you have NO right to remove the ability for smaller markets to achieve sporting success. If you care at all at the integrity for competition, you would never stifle newer emerging markets to "protect" the already existing markets.
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On January 27 2013 02:51 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? You are mistaken. Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters. Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah you're clearly not.
I can see that. Keep your disdain for yourself. @ The other people who answered : Sportively speaking, GIANTS! and CW qualifying is a great thing, on the bigger scheme on thing, the subsidies from Riot would have been better employed. That may conflict with your own beliefs but it's the truth. I am merely providing a different insight into what is really at stakes here. It isn't an insult to any player nor organization.
Who are you to tell teams they don't deserve their spot just because the marketing is "wasted" on them.
Seriously.
That's so disrespectful, on so many levels.
I feel justified in expressing my disdain of you.
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I can't help but enjoy seeing actual teams like Giants and Wolves beating collections of individuals gathered in the eleventh hour. I'll be rooting for MYM tomorrow.
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Alright this is pointless. I apologize to those I have offended as it wasn't my intention. I could go on and argue with all of you but seeing the reactions now I doubt I can achieve anything remotely useful. Good day and enjoy the remaining of the qualifications supporting any team you may want 
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On January 27 2013 03:11 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:51 Otolia wrote:On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? You are mistaken. Since IEM Cologne (technically a week before the event), the team has remained the same : Angush, Creaton, Tabzz, ImSoFresh and Haydal. It's a fairly young team that was made with the S3 in mind. They trained for 1 week and a half in Ministry of Win before the qualification with a coach (I believe it's a swede called FatMamma and a bulgarian manager called Flyy). They had no team for S3 before that point thought they had numerous issues in S2 with their different rosters. On January 27 2013 02:51 Dandel Ion wrote:
Yeah you're clearly not.
I can see that. Keep your disdain for yourself. @ The other people who answered : Sportively speaking, GIANTS! and CW qualifying is a great thing, on the bigger scheme on thing, the subsidies from Riot would have been better employed. That may conflict with your own beliefs but it's the truth. I am merely providing a different insight into what is really at stakes here. It isn't an insult to any player nor organization. Who are you to tell teams they don't deserve their spot just because the marketing is "wasted" on them. Seriously. That's so disrespectful, on so many levels. I feel justified in expressing my disdain of you.
I don't think he is saying at all that those teams don't deserve their spots. They worked hard and won which is great for them. I think it is a legitimate question though if at this stage in League of Legends as a competition it may not have been better for the scene as a whole for well established and popular teams to qualify. If the Lakers and the Knicks didn't 'qualify' for the NBA so to speak then that is a whole lot of revenue that evaporates. Ultimately however, it is a moot point, because the integrity of competition must always outweigh finance in the end. Wolves and Giants! won deservedly and hopefully they can use that to establish themselves as a stable presence in the scene.
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