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ex-M5, SK, and ex-CLG.eu have all qualified for EU LCS already. Stop asking where they are.
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On January 27 2013 07:43 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 07:35 LaNague wrote:
how does the transferrence of LCS spots work.
For example clg lost its Eu spot and it went to EG....why?
Is it player bound? If so, how many players do you need for it to transfer over? Bound to the core team (the team must have three registered players, and if those three aren't around then the team is not considered the same team). It's to prevent the whose fiasco when ex-CLG.eu signed with CLG but their seed to IEM Kiev stayed with the old organisation AL.
I consider it correct to stay with the core of the team. No matter what organization they are in, the players earned the spot not the organization.
Staying with the players could also prevent stuff like an organization sacking an entire team, hire a new one and now this new team will receive the seed while not doing anything....
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On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again?
Fnatic was actually pushing VERY hard to have Riot let Rekkles play in S3. Though, the Yellowstar pickup brought a familiar face to the team, as he has played with several members of the Fnatic squad before - I imagine he's making an easier transition onto the team than most new players to a team do.
I don't know much about Millenium, but if it's only a week and a half of focused practice before this event... I can't really say that they deserved to get in. I wish these qualifiers were set up to be a little less volatile, but it is what it is. To those who don't make it through, they can either try again during the up/downs or break up.
Shit, Curse was ready to drop its entire roster if they failed to qualify here - with so much at stake, they worked their asses off to make sure they qualified. I don't see that kind of effort from some of these other teams, and I can't feel sympathy if a team who can't perform consistently and solidly doesn't make the cut. Nobody here is getting knocked out when playing mistake-free games.
On January 27 2013 05:59 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 03:37 nojitosunrise wrote:On January 27 2013 03:33 WhiteDog wrote:
Obviously, at some point the panorama of teams will stabilize itself. It's a difficult time because people will most likely see teams they like or follow since a long time just disappearing, but that's out it is. Giant deserved this, as all other team. This is exactly why the LCS is amazing for eSports. It doesn't matter if you're EG, CLG, TSM, etc. if you don't perform another team WILL take your spot. There are no more free tickets to eSports success just because of your team's name or popularity. Not true. EG bought themselves a spot into S3. 
Well, it's not a free ticket if they paid for it, is it?
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On January 27 2013 07:43 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 07:35 LaNague wrote:
how does the transferrence of LCS spots work.
For example clg lost its Eu spot and it went to EG....why?
Is it player bound? If so, how many players do you need for it to transfer over? It's to prevent the whose fiasco when ex-CLG.eu signed with CLG but their seed to IEM Kiev stayed with the old organisation AL.
That's not quite how it went down and the same rule was in effect. AL fused with mTw and played the qualifier under the name mTw. Right after the qualifier they cut the ties with mTw, changed 3 players and merged with CLG. In consequence, the spot remained with mTw but they had no team. AL & CLG.eu were still one and the same at this point.
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On January 27 2013 07:56 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? Fnatic was actually pushing VERY hard to have Riot let Rekkles play in S3. Though, the Yellowstar pickup brought a familiar face to the team, as he has played with several members of the Fnatic squad before - I imagine he's making an easier transition onto the team than most new players to a team do. I don't know much about Millenium, but if it's only a week and a half of focused practice before this event... I can't really say that they deserved to get in. I wish these qualifiers were set up to be a little less volatile, but it is what it is. To those who don't make it through, they can either try again during the up/downs or break up. Shit, Curse was ready to drop its entire roster if they failed to qualify here - with so much at stake, they worked their asses off to make sure they qualified. I don't see that kind of effort from some of these other teams, and I can't feel sympathy if a team who can't perform consistently and solidly doesn't make the cut. Nobody here is getting knocked out when playing mistake-free games. Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 05:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 27 2013 03:37 nojitosunrise wrote:On January 27 2013 03:33 WhiteDog wrote:
Obviously, at some point the panorama of teams will stabilize itself. It's a difficult time because people will most likely see teams they like or follow since a long time just disappearing, but that's out it is. Giant deserved this, as all other team. This is exactly why the LCS is amazing for eSports. It doesn't matter if you're EG, CLG, TSM, etc. if you don't perform another team WILL take your spot. There are no more free tickets to eSports success just because of your team's name or popularity. Not true. EG bought themselves a spot into S3. Well, it's not a free ticket if they paid for it, is it?
In a interview with fnatic they said that millennium was the strongest team in Europe Online. With a constant flow of money into the team i see them doing very big things.
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On January 27 2013 08:09 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 07:56 sylverfyre wrote:On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? Fnatic was actually pushing VERY hard to have Riot let Rekkles play in S3. Though, the Yellowstar pickup brought a familiar face to the team, as he has played with several members of the Fnatic squad before - I imagine he's making an easier transition onto the team than most new players to a team do. I don't know much about Millenium, but if it's only a week and a half of focused practice before this event... I can't really say that they deserved to get in. I wish these qualifiers were set up to be a little less volatile, but it is what it is. To those who don't make it through, they can either try again during the up/downs or break up. Shit, Curse was ready to drop its entire roster if they failed to qualify here - with so much at stake, they worked their asses off to make sure they qualified. I don't see that kind of effort from some of these other teams, and I can't feel sympathy if a team who can't perform consistently and solidly doesn't make the cut. Nobody here is getting knocked out when playing mistake-free games. On January 27 2013 05:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 27 2013 03:37 nojitosunrise wrote:On January 27 2013 03:33 WhiteDog wrote:
Obviously, at some point the panorama of teams will stabilize itself. It's a difficult time because people will most likely see teams they like or follow since a long time just disappearing, but that's out it is. Giant deserved this, as all other team. This is exactly why the LCS is amazing for eSports. It doesn't matter if you're EG, CLG, TSM, etc. if you don't perform another team WILL take your spot. There are no more free tickets to eSports success just because of your team's name or popularity. Not true. EG bought themselves a spot into S3. Well, it's not a free ticket if they paid for it, is it? In a interview with fnatic they said that millennium was the strongest team in Europe Online. With a constant flow of money into the team i see them doing very big things.
I think Millennium's main problem is that while they have a lot of individual talent, sometimes their team work breaks down in the game. This might be a product of them all not playing together for that long. But in their game against Wolves they just didn't seem to have the same team fight coordination. I'm rooting for them tomorrow, but hopefully they don't break up even if they don't make it. Honestly they would probably dominate the Challenger Series.
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On January 27 2013 08:09 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 07:56 sylverfyre wrote:On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? Fnatic was actually pushing VERY hard to have Riot let Rekkles play in S3. Though, the Yellowstar pickup brought a familiar face to the team, as he has played with several members of the Fnatic squad before - I imagine he's making an easier transition onto the team than most new players to a team do. I don't know much about Millenium, but if it's only a week and a half of focused practice before this event... I can't really say that they deserved to get in. I wish these qualifiers were set up to be a little less volatile, but it is what it is. To those who don't make it through, they can either try again during the up/downs or break up. Shit, Curse was ready to drop its entire roster if they failed to qualify here - with so much at stake, they worked their asses off to make sure they qualified. I don't see that kind of effort from some of these other teams, and I can't feel sympathy if a team who can't perform consistently and solidly doesn't make the cut. Nobody here is getting knocked out when playing mistake-free games. On January 27 2013 05:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 27 2013 03:37 nojitosunrise wrote:On January 27 2013 03:33 WhiteDog wrote:
Obviously, at some point the panorama of teams will stabilize itself. It's a difficult time because people will most likely see teams they like or follow since a long time just disappearing, but that's out it is. Giant deserved this, as all other team. This is exactly why the LCS is amazing for eSports. It doesn't matter if you're EG, CLG, TSM, etc. if you don't perform another team WILL take your spot. There are no more free tickets to eSports success just because of your team's name or popularity. Not true. EG bought themselves a spot into S3. Well, it's not a free ticket if they paid for it, is it? In a interview with fnatic they said that millennium was the strongest team in Europe Online. With a constant flow of money into the team i see them doing very big things.
Money has imo nothing to do with quality. All teams in s3 make enough to have a gaming house and not worry about working. More money besides that doesnt do much, all that matters is how they spend there time and how much they want to win.
And if a team "should have been in" they should have tried harder. Its not like all the qualified teams sofar are fully sponsored and payed teams.
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On January 27 2013 08:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 08:09 ExoFun wrote:On January 27 2013 07:56 sylverfyre wrote:On January 27 2013 02:46 Baffels wrote:On January 27 2013 02:35 Otolia wrote:
I'm not a LoL fan but I thought I should share this with you because it concerns us all. Millenium's strategy for 2013 is closely related to LoL. Should its team not qualify for the S3, the foreseen growth in traffic and marketing impact would severely restrain its possibility of expansion including for its StarCraft team which brought us here in the first place.
And as much as the qualification of Copenhagen Wolves to the season 3 is great for LoL, it's just a waste because they don't have the infrastructure to concretely reap the benefits of the qualification just like smaller teams qualifying for the champion's league one year aren't profiting enormously from it despite the 40ish Millions Euros of TV rights.
Similarly, Fnatic qualifying is very important, even more so than the qualification of MYM. Which begs the question why did Millenium have to repeatedly shuffle its roster barely a month before this very important qualifier? Same goes for Fnatic, we all knew for months and months that Rekkles was to young to participate in S3 yet they continued to field the same team until the end of 2012. All in all these sponsored pro-teams should have been taking more responsibility/practice/etc if they are going to bet their fates on Bo1 group stages and a bo3 bracket stage. Then again, both organizations could just pick up qualified teams if there rosters fail to make it right? Also twitch lagging again? Fnatic was actually pushing VERY hard to have Riot let Rekkles play in S3. Though, the Yellowstar pickup brought a familiar face to the team, as he has played with several members of the Fnatic squad before - I imagine he's making an easier transition onto the team than most new players to a team do. I don't know much about Millenium, but if it's only a week and a half of focused practice before this event... I can't really say that they deserved to get in. I wish these qualifiers were set up to be a little less volatile, but it is what it is. To those who don't make it through, they can either try again during the up/downs or break up. Shit, Curse was ready to drop its entire roster if they failed to qualify here - with so much at stake, they worked their asses off to make sure they qualified. I don't see that kind of effort from some of these other teams, and I can't feel sympathy if a team who can't perform consistently and solidly doesn't make the cut. Nobody here is getting knocked out when playing mistake-free games. On January 27 2013 05:59 WhiteDog wrote:On January 27 2013 03:37 nojitosunrise wrote:On January 27 2013 03:33 WhiteDog wrote:
Obviously, at some point the panorama of teams will stabilize itself. It's a difficult time because people will most likely see teams they like or follow since a long time just disappearing, but that's out it is. Giant deserved this, as all other team. This is exactly why the LCS is amazing for eSports. It doesn't matter if you're EG, CLG, TSM, etc. if you don't perform another team WILL take your spot. There are no more free tickets to eSports success just because of your team's name or popularity. Not true. EG bought themselves a spot into S3. Well, it's not a free ticket if they paid for it, is it? In a interview with fnatic they said that millennium was the strongest team in Europe Online. With a constant flow of money into the team i see them doing very big things. Money has imo nothing to do with quality. All teams in s3 make enough to have a gaming house and not worry about working. More money besides that doesnt do much, all that matters is how they spend there time and how much they want to win. And if a team "should have been in" they should have tried harder. Its not like all the qualified teams sofar are fully sponsored and payed teams.
I mean the same thing as you about a constant flow of money. All the current top teams have a constant inflow of money and can dedicate themself fully on esport side of LoL. Teams like [M]/Gianst/AAA can now compete with the EG/M5 teams because they can now use their full potential of talent they have. And i think [M] have enough practiced to belong in the CLS.
And i didnt meant to disrespect the current teams that are in, but a team like [M] has a lot of talent and enough to compete with the world best teams. But they got brainfucked and didnt play their best games. ANd also a weakness from them is that they are playing their "best" champions instead of teamcomps and they can grow in that when they are in CLS.
ps: I still hope they are gonna drop Angush off and pick another toplaner up...
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On January 27 2013 03:29 JBright wrote:
How big is the difference in infrastructure between aAa and Millenium in France? Obviously it would be great for the French market if both teams made it so there can be lots of rivalry hype but is there something special with how Mill built up their organization that makes it much more marketable in France than just aAa or Mill making it to S3?
From my limited knowledge Millenium has much more infrastructure than aAa, being closer to an "organisation" than a team, and their website also has a lot more traffic, partly due to having a broader horizon on things.
LoL-related, aAa is more popular though. Millenium is also quite often the butt of the joke because of the pretty bad quality of their guides (who are redacted by their staff rather by members iirc).
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On January 27 2013 05:59 WhiteDog wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2013 03:37 nojitosunrise wrote:On January 27 2013 03:33 WhiteDog wrote:
Obviously, at some point the panorama of teams will stabilize itself. It's a difficult time because people will most likely see teams they like or follow since a long time just disappearing, but that's out it is. Giant deserved this, as all other team. This is exactly why the LCS is amazing for eSports. It doesn't matter if you're EG, CLG, TSM, etc. if you don't perform another team WILL take your spot. There are no more free tickets to eSports success just because of your team's name or popularity. Not true. EG bought themselves a spot into S3.
Let's see if they can hold onto it 
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Watching Millenium vs Wolves set 2, it's such an interesting game. Sure, Millenium had questionable picks (Fizz, letting Wolves get Kha'Zix and the Cait/Nunu duo, Kayle jungle... ) and they threw the game with their pretty stupid blind baron call, but stuff like making Kayle shove to level up faster and strengthen her ganks/have a laner "free" to help invades, most notably, intrigued me and gave them a pretty good lead early on.
Tho since they had both little ability to push and a weak teamfighting (extremely ult-reliant against the likes of Kha'Zix (bullshit even w/o ult), Lee Sin, Caitlyn and Nunu, diving comp against powerful disengages, etc.) they weren't able to exploit it to full.
It also painsfully confirms to me that burst AP casters are going to be a dead species in the health meta. Warmogs is simply way too practical (without stacks and at a "low" price) and slot-efficient, 1k+ EHP takes more than 300 AP (assuming you have a deathcap and the 5% AP mastery, this still means more than 230 AP) to beat, even on the strongest burst mages (LB, ... ) and that's before taking MR into account.
A single defensive item takes 3+ items just to equalize in a single spell rotation, there's no way you'll be able to beat that + the base and scaling stats of a champ with only 6 items.
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I am, way behind, but this AD kennen by GIANTS is so fun to watch.
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GIANTS were fantastic to watch; absolutely gorgeous teamfighting and parallel-to-the-meta team comps with Wukong and AD Kennen; I'm enjoying seeing a bit more mid Zyra turn up lately, too.
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Zyra is the most picked champion of this tournament.
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I don't think Scots would take kindly to Deman classifying Snoopeh as an English player.
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Ok so have they swapped the matches around so that DB vs Mouz is first?
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Ez throwing down the ninja smoke bomb to escape the first time. Too bad for the second gank.
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Huh, Vamp into Sheen for HosaN's Ezreal.
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These supports seem very bad.Have we not learned from season 2 you are supposed to go stack hp from the get go?Did we just randomly forget lol.
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Huh, mouZ get a sneaky baron, but the Ez ult collects Amumu.
Whoa, Dragonborn win a fight 4-0 vs a team with baron :o
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