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On July 23 2013 20:47 IMoperator wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:44 wei2coolman wrote:On July 23 2013 20:42 IMoperator wrote:
I disagree with Tolkien, Riven is really useless unless she gets fed. Same thing with like, Lee Sin top or something. Too squishy to do the damage necessary in teamfights. I disagree with teh fact you disagree with Tolkien. Zionspartan proved multiple times; even in 1v2 lanes where she gets "shutdown" you can still smash face with her. (i know i've used this example multiple times in multiple facets; but it's the one that stick in my mind the most, cuz I <3 riven). Meh, I guess. I think it depends on the team you're playing against. If it's a team with a lot of cc I don't think a riven should be doing much in teamfights lol.
This just in: Scimitar exists.
Riven plays like an assassin in team fights. Trying to play her otherwise is doing it wrong.
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On July 23 2013 20:47 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 18:37 XilDarkz wrote:On July 23 2013 18:33 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Hardly a prestigious SC2 pedigree but hey, that's just me. Isn't this against the rules, personal bashing? I never said anything about my Starcraft, Dota, or HoN credentials except that I have put time into learning them... What is wrong with my Syndra build? It takes a lot of mana to 7 orb ultimate every single time its off cooldown... edit: and what the hell was I supposed to do in this game I'm in right now on stream? I started off 8-0 with my team having 10 deaths... its like I've seen it all before... First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. rofl, syndra is like one of the highest skillcap champs in the game. There is massive room for plays beyond pressing R.
"highest skillcap champs" lol. If you mean its difficult to win games with her; that more has to do with her sucking than it has to do with "no one knows how to play her"
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On July 23 2013 20:47 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 18:37 XilDarkz wrote:On July 23 2013 18:33 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Hardly a prestigious SC2 pedigree but hey, that's just me. Isn't this against the rules, personal bashing? I never said anything about my Starcraft, Dota, or HoN credentials except that I have put time into learning them... What is wrong with my Syndra build? It takes a lot of mana to 7 orb ultimate every single time its off cooldown... edit: and what the hell was I supposed to do in this game I'm in right now on stream? I started off 8-0 with my team having 10 deaths... its like I've seen it all before... First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. rofl, syndra is like one of the highest skillcap champs in the game. There is massive room for plays beyond pressing R.
I'm sorry but it's only hard to win with her because she sucks. Not because of «high skillcap» bullshit. She's skillshots oriented, but her skillset is pretty straightforward and binary.
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On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ?
A good amount of advices can be shared amongst champions.
How to itemize Syndra will come naturally once you know the basic timings of buying items and shit. Knowing the different item routes based on how ahead/behind you are will help a lot, you can be sure of that. And the easiest (and quickest) way to learn about that is to watch a talkative mid player's stream.
Expand your knowledge and you'll become better.
With the experience of your previous games, and the fact you somewhat know what you have to do (get ahead, gank and all), you need to take the next step and learn exactly both in depth (item timing, adaptation) and width (know exactly what other champs can do to you, cooldowns include).
As said before, just play without thinking will not help, sure you'll be a little bit quicker than an average silver player, but as long as he has a better understanding of the game, well, you'll be in that long list of people who think they deserve a better ranking. 
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On July 23 2013 20:51 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:47 sob3k wrote:On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 18:37 XilDarkz wrote:On July 23 2013 18:33 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Hardly a prestigious SC2 pedigree but hey, that's just me. Isn't this against the rules, personal bashing? I never said anything about my Starcraft, Dota, or HoN credentials except that I have put time into learning them... What is wrong with my Syndra build? It takes a lot of mana to 7 orb ultimate every single time its off cooldown... edit: and what the hell was I supposed to do in this game I'm in right now on stream? I started off 8-0 with my team having 10 deaths... its like I've seen it all before... First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. rofl, syndra is like one of the highest skillcap champs in the game. There is massive room for plays beyond pressing R. I'm sorry but it's only hard to win with her because she sucks. Not because of «high skillcap» bullshit. She's skillshots oriented, but her skillset is pretty straightforward and binary.
She gets more tourney play in Korea than Riven does, thats for sure.
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Just pick anyone besides Syndra and you'll learn something new about the game
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On July 23 2013 20:51 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:47 sob3k wrote:On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 18:37 XilDarkz wrote:On July 23 2013 18:33 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Hardly a prestigious SC2 pedigree but hey, that's just me. Isn't this against the rules, personal bashing? I never said anything about my Starcraft, Dota, or HoN credentials except that I have put time into learning them... What is wrong with my Syndra build? It takes a lot of mana to 7 orb ultimate every single time its off cooldown... edit: and what the hell was I supposed to do in this game I'm in right now on stream? I started off 8-0 with my team having 10 deaths... its like I've seen it all before... First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. rofl, syndra is like one of the highest skillcap champs in the game. There is massive room for plays beyond pressing R. I'm sorry but it's only hard to win with her because she sucks. Not because of «high skillcap» bullshit. She's skillshots oriented, but her skillset is pretty straightforward and binary.
Pretty much; the only skill it takes is to land Q's. There isn't really that much thought process that goes a long with it either.
On July 23 2013 20:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Just pick anyone besides Syndra and you'll learn something new about the game
Pick heimerdinger; you'll learn the true meaning of solo queue despair.
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On July 23 2013 20:53 sob3k wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:51 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 20:47 sob3k wrote:On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 18:37 XilDarkz wrote:On July 23 2013 18:33 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Hardly a prestigious SC2 pedigree but hey, that's just me. Isn't this against the rules, personal bashing? I never said anything about my Starcraft, Dota, or HoN credentials except that I have put time into learning them... What is wrong with my Syndra build? It takes a lot of mana to 7 orb ultimate every single time its off cooldown... edit: and what the hell was I supposed to do in this game I'm in right now on stream? I started off 8-0 with my team having 10 deaths... its like I've seen it all before... First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. rofl, syndra is like one of the highest skillcap champs in the game. There is massive room for plays beyond pressing R. I'm sorry but it's only hard to win with her because she sucks. Not because of «high skillcap» bullshit. She's skillshots oriented, but her skillset is pretty straightforward and binary. She gets more tourney play in Korea than Riven does, thats for sure.
heimer probably seen more tourney play than Riven in Korea.
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you guys really like to talk this morning eh
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On July 23 2013 21:00 AsnSensation wrote:
you guys really like to talk this morning eh
Posting quantity is inversely related to level of rationality.
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On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 18:37 XilDarkz wrote:On July 23 2013 18:33 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Hardly a prestigious SC2 pedigree but hey, that's just me. Isn't this against the rules, personal bashing? I never said anything about my Starcraft, Dota, or HoN credentials except that I have put time into learning them... What is wrong with my Syndra build? It takes a lot of mana to 7 orb ultimate every single time its off cooldown... edit: and what the hell was I supposed to do in this game I'm in right now on stream? I started off 8-0 with my team having 10 deaths... its like I've seen it all before... First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat.
whining about losing teamfights is a personal issue, if you feel you cant do enough as syndra thats your decision to make personally.
riven really isnt any different from other fighters, she just scales off AD a bit better and has short jumps instead of 1 long one. I never found her difficult to play.
95% of skill definitely does not transfer, watching players play their best champs and playing some fotm champ is a pretty huge difference.
i generally would suggest playing the same champ over and over is by far the best way to improve bar none assuming you are always seeing room for improvement.
playing other roles has some value for perspective purposes but doesnt directly lead to you improving except at that particular champ or role since any higher level stuff you will more likely uncounter on a champ you know in and out and all the advanced details are more apparent to you
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On July 23 2013 21:04 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote:
I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote:On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote:On July 23 2013 18:37 XilDarkz wrote:On July 23 2013 18:33 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Hardly a prestigious SC2 pedigree but hey, that's just me. Isn't this against the rules, personal bashing? I never said anything about my Starcraft, Dota, or HoN credentials except that I have put time into learning them... What is wrong with my Syndra build? It takes a lot of mana to 7 orb ultimate every single time its off cooldown... edit: and what the hell was I supposed to do in this game I'm in right now on stream? I started off 8-0 with my team having 10 deaths... its like I've seen it all before... First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. whining about losing teamfights is a personal issue, if you feel you cant do enough as syndra thats your decision to make personally. riven really isnt any different from other fighters, she just scales off AD a bit better and has short jumps instead of 1 long one. I never found her difficult to play. 95% of skill definitely does not transfer, watching players play their best champs and playing some fotm champ is a pretty huge difference. i generally would suggest playing the same champ over and over is by far the best way to improve bar none assuming you are always seeing room for improvement. playing other roles has some value for perspective purposes but doesnt directly lead to you improving except at that particular champ or role since any higher level stuff you will more likely uncounter on a champ you know in and out and all the advanced details are more apparent to you
There is no champion that is difficult to play in LoL tbh. I just quoted Riven because it's one of the few champions I like to play on a regular basis. And on another note, I never said she wasn't cheesy :3
LoL is all about decision making !
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being difficult to play and making the right judgement calls based on your knowledge of your champ and how much damage you can do how well you can escape etc etc are completely different
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On July 23 2013 21:12 Slayer91 wrote:
being difficult to play and making the right judgement calls based on your knowledge of your champ and how much damage you can do how well you can escape etc etc are completely different
Well yeah but that's hardly hard. That's just knowing your damage output, the opposing damage output, and if needed, your regen.
It's not like there was some crazy 300 APM multi-tasking champion in LoL.
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nothings "hard" in theory yet nearly everyone is completely terrible at this game you can't explain that
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On July 23 2013 21:26 Slayer91 wrote:
nothings "hard" in theory yet nearly everyone is completely terrible at this game you can't explain that
It's easy to make mistakes :D
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United States37500 Posts
So many posts, wtf.
Syndra's legit, Arczer plays a beastly Syndra np. She's not my definition of a cheesy champion.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
LLL Kialys plays almost exclusively Syndra on EUW ladder. He just dropped out of challenger, hue.
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wow that was a pretty elitist 5 page group beatdown on the syndra fetishdude, feels bad man
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TL LoL is just like the old style BW section, including cliques forming among 'regulars' who then have a short tempers with anyone new. Leading to the 'group beatdown'
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On July 23 2013 21:37 NeoIllusions wrote:
So many posts, wtf.
Syndra's legit, Arczer plays a beastly Syndra np. She's not my definition of a cheesy champion.
I never said she wasn't legit  Cheesy just means she's not a champion pickable in any composition at any time and that it's a champion which isn't really characteristic of a class.
Seriously, are there other ranged assassins like that ?
Except the tanky-bruiser-assasin-DPS, Ryze.
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