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XilDarkz
United States563 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:29 IMoperator wrote: Yo, does anyone know what the mmr is for diamond? I'm at ~1920 mmr according to the op.gg site, and is diamond around that or something? Last game I played I had 4 diamond 4's in, and I'm only plat 3. Diamonds is like 2200 I think? On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote: I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? There is no syndra main; except maybe Plord; but he doesn't do educational shit. Just watch pro player streamers that play mid. You'll pick up a lot of stuff; even if its not about your champion. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
Snowballing on Syndra and picking up lots of kills but losing the game doesn't surprise me very much either. She's an ultimate reliant burst caster, with one of the highest level 6+ bursts in the game with low setup. Learning only burst mages will get you into trouble when you encounter better players. Playing lane bullies is actually a bad way to improve IMO. Most players do perfectly fine when they are ahead/stronger, because the strength can cover up weaknesses and flaws. But if you picked into a poor matchup, then you can actively focus on the other person's mistakes and punish them, because the only way to get ahead is to abuse timings and outplay, and this really tests how well you know the matchup and the champion. On the basing thing. Unless the other person is bad, you'll have taken damage and expended mana, you'll have lots of gold, and he's dead. If you expend the rest of your mana to push, unless you're overextended and low, all the jungler can do is come to hold the wave. You've taken pressure completely off the map(person dead, jungler holding lane), and you get to come back with shiny new items, full health and full HP. If you pushed it correctly, you'll lose ~3 creeps in mid, and for side lanes, you have 2 options. 1. Push to/past tower and then recall. Pretty standard. 2. This is more advanced and requires experience. Knowing that he pushed it to your tower and based, kill the wave under turret, and then base. Barring the enemy being something like singed, you'll make it back before he can push it to your turret again, and if he doesn't push to your turret, he just saved his creeps from dying(more exp+gold!). Otherwise it's frozen in the middle and he loses about as much as you do. And regardless of what people may think, the only real ways to get noticed are A. Be really fucking good at the game, or B. Be very good at the game and have connections. SKT T1 Faker is a good example. SoloQ star, was constantly #1 ranked on KR ladder. Teams snatched him up because he was really fucking good in soloq, and as it turns out, it really does take talent to be #1 and hold it. He's in contention for the best mid overall in the world, and is 100% the best playmaking mid(on champions that suit it). . | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23442 Posts
On July 23 2013 18:44 mr_tolkien wrote: First of all don't pick a fucking cheesy pick like Syndra. It's a low utility low AoE mage, even with 1/10 you could still 100% sbd. As long as you're learning the basics of LoL, you should focus on more well-rounded champions, since you'll be able to make them work in more situations. Second, if you have 8 kills and the opponents team has 10, it's ALL ON YOU to carry your team, and it's NOT bad news, because it means the gold has been put into YOUR pockets, and if you're good, you'll make good use of it. Buy abyssal earlier so your team benefits from the MR debuff, buy Zhonya way sooner so you can make your opponents waste spells and mobility on you, and buy more wards. AND STOP BUYING MEJAI FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is | ||
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Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
Probably someone in Korea plays her, as she has made at least one tournament appearance, but it's rare. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:29 XilDarkz wrote: I don't enjoy watching League, so I haven't really watched any LCS or streams... I would think watching specific VODs of a hero that I want to learn is the only way to efficiently watch--it seems that Syndra is nonexistent in this case. Should I just watch anyway when they use different heroes or specifically learn popular heroes and use that material ? Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 On July 23 2013 20:34 Slayer91 wrote: i have no idea why you would consider any champ, let alone syndra to be "cheesey" syndrai s a perfectly fine ap mage with good damage and some decent cc and poke i don't know what your problem is My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
How is riven not a cheesy pick if syndra is lol?You are a squishy melee that has no gap closers and is useless unless you win your lane lol. Syndra seems perfectly fine as a standart ap >.>. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:37 nafta wrote: R u even srs? How is riven not a cheesy pick if syndra is lol?You are a squishy melee that has no gap closers and is useless unless you win your lane lol. Wait what. Riven has 4 jumps, that hardly counts as no gap closer. And she offers shit ton of AoE, reliable AoE CC, and high damage with only 1 finished item (BT). She doesn't need to win her lane at all to be useful later on, she just needs 2 items to wreck faces. | ||
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XilDarkz
United States563 Posts
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:39 XilDarkz wrote: so far to me it seems that mr_tolkien is the supernovamaniac of LoL? Is he an asshole ? If not, that would be a bad comparison. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:30 wei2coolman wrote: Diamonds is like 2200 I think? There is no syndra main; except maybe Plord; but he doesn't do educational shit. Just watch pro player streamers that play mid. You'll pick up a lot of stuff; even if its not about your champion. Found through googlejitsu, back when the league system was new: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:37 nafta wrote: R u even srs? How is riven not a cheesy pick if syndra is lol?You are a squishy melee that has no gap closers and is useless unless you win your lane lol. I don't think there are cheesy picks. There are cheesy comps(things like dignitas 4+1), and cheesy plays(OGN 3 people rushing to jump/flash over a wall to get into a bush in time for an unsuspecting facecheck into FB), and even cheesy rune/mastery setups(30/0/0 fizz for example). I would just classify them as lane bullies and be done with it. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:42 Amui wrote: I don't think there are cheesy picks. There are cheesy comps(things like dignitas 4+1), and cheesy plays(OGN 3 people rushing to jump/flash over a wall to get into a bush in time for an unsuspecting facecheck into FB), and even cheesy rune/mastery setups(30/0/0 fizz for example). I would just classify them as lane bullies and be done with it. I don't think there are cheesy picks either.Just found it weird he thinks syndra is yet his favourite champ is riven :D. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:42 IMoperator wrote: I disagree with Tolkien, Riven is really useless unless she gets fed. Same thing with like, Lee Sin top or something. Too squishy to do the damage necessary in teamfights. Well people say the same thing about Panth, and I have above 60% win ratio in D1 with both while being the most atrocious laner on earth. I only come back with them because they are godly teamfighters. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:42 IMoperator wrote: I disagree with Tolkien, Riven is really useless unless she gets fed. Same thing with like, Lee Sin top or something. Too squishy to do the damage necessary in teamfights. I disagree with teh fact you disagree with Tolkien. Zionspartan proved multiple times; even in 1v2 lanes where she gets "shutdown" you can still smash face with her. (i know i've used this example multiple times in multiple facets; but it's the one that stick in my mind the most, cuz I <3 riven). | ||
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ItsFunToLose
United States776 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:14 XilDarkz wrote: I think my offhand comment about the size of spells is getting me a lot of heat when it is more or less irrelevant in the scheme of things... yes, Ravage is bigger, sorry. No, Black Hole is definitely not. No, Void ulti is definitely not. Illuminate and invoker's cyclone are narrower but about as long. your face is offhand. get out. you're wrong and stupid. im going to get banned for nothing because you're too arrogant to hear what everyone is trying to tell you: You're bad. Play more. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
To sum up, just go search informations to improve. TL has a lot of different threads where you can get advices. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:44 wei2coolman wrote: I disagree with teh fact you disagree with Tolkien. Zionspartan proved multiple times; even in 1v2 lanes where she gets "shutdown" you can still smash face with her. (i know i've used this example multiple times in multiple facets; but it's the one that stick in my mind the most, cuz I <3 riven). Meh, I guess. I think it depends on the team you're playing against. If it's a team with a lot of cc I don't think a riven should be doing much in teamfights lol. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On July 23 2013 20:35 mr_tolkien wrote: Tbh spamming games with a hero is nice and all but 95% of the skill transfers from one hero to another. You can learn a lot from watching streams. Except Riven. Riven is unique. Riven is love. :3 My problem is her ult is a friggin 1 target nuke, which is to me the definition of «hey guys imma press R on one guy, kill him, then whine my team can't win the teamfight». There's not much room to do impressive plays with Syndra, and win a teamfight by yourself. Or protect your allies. Or do anything else than rofl100% sbd. I hate dat. rofl, syndra is like one of the highest skillcap champs in the game. There is massive room for plays beyond pressing R. | ||
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