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DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
July 23 2013 10:26 GMT
#4081
If you actually bothered to read my previous posts you'll see that I don't think there is anything wrong with your build or choice of champion, I think there is something wrong with you. That has been my stance since my first reply. Your mindset is terrible and it is preventing you from improving.
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 10:28:47
July 23 2013 10:26 GMT
#4082
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Sob3k no one is overcentering on anything, he only replied to that post probably because it is the least critical and most easily defended reply.


I am focusing on specific questions as I was pointed towards earlier in the thread

On July 23 2013 19:26 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
If you actually bothered to read my previous posts you'll see that I don't think there is anything wrong with your build or choice of champion, I think there is something wrong with you. That has been my stance since my first reply. Your mindset is terrible and it is preventing you from improving.



I thought this was plaintively obvious; the real question is getting myself to recognize it (in my own way) and fixing it. I think the entire mentality of shouting "THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU!" doesn't really help...
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#4083
you dont even seem to get the fact that no one actually cares about your choice of champion its still the mindset problem and lack of knowledge of build or gameplay
like good job you went 9-0 against a lux who had almost no help mid from his jungler when zac came mid to help you multiple times, but when teamfights came around you just died instantly without doing anything cuz you itemized poorly
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 23 2013 10:29 GMT
#4084
On July 23 2013 19:22 XilDarkz wrote:
Are you actually supposed to back after every kill? I know theres no courier but I thought you were supposed to maximize time spent in lane?

Depends; especially early on its really strong to back.
Generally speaking if you have the clear speed; what you want to do after a kill is to shove out your lane to deny XP/Gold.
Then back, and get an item advantage with your extra 300 gold. There's no point staying in lane for the most part.

Or you want to press your map control advantage (now that there's no more midlaner) that means you create a massive mismatch in other places for a bit (think about it as Hockey's power plays or w.e, not really a hockey guy, but this is what I've heard from my hockey fan friends) (such as jungle and other lanes).
liftlift > tsm
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 23 2013 10:29 GMT
#4085
On July 23 2013 19:21 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Killing your own lane over and over is pointless unless you transfer that advantage to your entire team. Did you gank other lanes? Control buffs/dragon/baron? Take towers? Force early team fights with your gold lead? There are so many aspects of the game that it seems you are unaware of that nitpicking a build or champion pick is useless at this point.


killing your lane over and over is also pointless unless you remember to get your support/jungler/yourself to feed them a kill so you keep getting good money
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 23 2013 10:33 GMT
#4086
On July 23 2013 19:22 XilDarkz wrote:
Are you actually supposed to back after every kill? I know theres no courier but I thought you were supposed to maximize time spent in lane?

There's not point in staying in lane for the sake of staying in lane. If you stay in lane it's for pushing/farming. In the case you've already got many kills it's almost not needed to farm and freeze a lane so just push it. If you don't go help other lanes, then just back to buy items making you more powerful to push, etc...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 23 2013 10:35 GMT
#4087
Killing your opponent over and over is good wtf.It makes him rage and it in turn destroys morale of other team and all your lanes get an advantage.It also raises your team's morale sometimes.Soloq 101.

It just can't be your only focus :D.If you are a champion that can just 1v5 then you just farm/push otherwise you help your lanes.It's not always optimal to go with your team and help them get stronger imo.
DURRHURRDERP
Profile Joined May 2006
Canada929 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 10:38:12
July 23 2013 10:37 GMT
#4088
There is a tool for every task. When you're clearly wrong and continue to defend yourself against good advice, how do you think I should reply? If you came in and asked humbly how to improve and get better, you would find plenty of people willing to help you.

Instead you came in wrong, but continued to defend yourself and make excuses and deflect criticism. You are wrong and you need to man up and admit it. How can you even accept advice or help when your first instinct is to defend yourself from criticism? Would you prefer to improve as a player by having everyone sugar coat their answers to you and work to justify your mistakes?
"I am an iconic role model for everyone aspiring to be better at League of Legends." - Roffles
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
July 23 2013 10:39 GMT
#4089
On July 23 2013 19:37 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Instead you came in wrong, but continued to defend yourself and make excuses and deflect criticism. You are wrong and you need to man up and admit it. How can you even accept advice or help when your first instinct is to defend yourself from criticism? Would you prefer to improve as a player by having everyone sugar coat their answers to you and work to justify your mistakes?


Saying I'm wrong doesn't actually mean too much to me, saying why I'm wrong (like a few have!) does.
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-23 10:49:07
July 23 2013 10:42 GMT
#4090
On July 23 2013 19:39 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:37 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Instead you came in wrong, but continued to defend yourself and make excuses and deflect criticism. You are wrong and you need to man up and admit it. How can you even accept advice or help when your first instinct is to defend yourself from criticism? Would you prefer to improve as a player by having everyone sugar coat their answers to you and work to justify your mistakes?


Saying I'm wrong doesn't actually mean too much to me, saying why I'm wrong (like a few have!) does.

For the most part; not saying it's acceptable or helpful, but some of the stuff you're having questions about is common knowledge/sense for a lot of us. So explanation seems a bit over the top.
liftlift > tsm
ItsFunToLose
Profile Joined December 2010
United States776 Posts
July 23 2013 10:43 GMT
#4091
On July 23 2013 19:23 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Lol...just the fact that you think Syndra of all champions has a "5 person stun" is ridiculous. That's like saying antimage has a "5 person stun" in DotA.


It affects a cone that is bigger than any single ability in dota... I think Syndra is ridiculous and thats why I play her.


now we know you're trolling. show yourself out. thanks.
"skillshots are inherently out of your control whether they hit or not" -PrinceXizor
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 23 2013 10:48 GMT
#4092
Why are you still responding? Someone that asks for advice then spits it back in your face is someone you just don't give advice too.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 23 2013 10:49 GMT
#4093
On July 23 2013 19:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:23 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Lol...just the fact that you think Syndra of all champions has a "5 person stun" is ridiculous. That's like saying antimage has a "5 person stun" in DotA.


It affects a cone that is bigger than any single ability in dota... I think Syndra is ridiculous and thats why I play her.


now we know you're trolling. show yourself out. thanks.


to be fair, the stun is about the size of MF's ult
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
July 23 2013 10:50 GMT
#4094
On July 23 2013 19:48 Numy wrote:
Why are you still responding? Someone that asks for advice then spits it back in your face is someone you just don't give advice too.

Show me where I have done anything but attempt to discuss (General Discussion) and learn from the advice here? I learn through discourse personally..
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
July 23 2013 10:50 GMT
#4095
On July 23 2013 19:49 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:23 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Lol...just the fact that you think Syndra of all champions has a "5 person stun" is ridiculous. That's like saying antimage has a "5 person stun" in DotA.


It affects a cone that is bigger than any single ability in dota... I think Syndra is ridiculous and thats why I play her.


now we know you're trolling. show yourself out. thanks.


to be fair, the stun is about the size of MF's ult

Thank you! MF's ulti is bigger than any ulti in Dota.
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 23 2013 10:51 GMT
#4096
On July 23 2013 19:50 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:49 Kupon3ss wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:23 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Lol...just the fact that you think Syndra of all champions has a "5 person stun" is ridiculous. That's like saying antimage has a "5 person stun" in DotA.


It affects a cone that is bigger than any single ability in dota... I think Syndra is ridiculous and thats why I play her.


now we know you're trolling. show yourself out. thanks.


to be fair, the stun is about the size of MF's ult

Thank you! MF's ulti is bigger than any ulti in Dota.

Only if set up like 10 seconds in advance; also the fact it knocksback can often be more troublesome than helpful.
liftlift > tsm
XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
July 23 2013 10:54 GMT
#4097
On July 23 2013 19:51 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:50 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:49 Kupon3ss wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:23 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Lol...just the fact that you think Syndra of all champions has a "5 person stun" is ridiculous. That's like saying antimage has a "5 person stun" in DotA.


It affects a cone that is bigger than any single ability in dota... I think Syndra is ridiculous and thats why I play her.


now we know you're trolling. show yourself out. thanks.


to be fair, the stun is about the size of MF's ult

Thank you! MF's ulti is bigger than any ulti in Dota.

Only if set up like 10 seconds in advance; also the fact it knocksback can often be more troublesome than helpful.

With my mana, I spam orbs in the 7orb sequence before any fight (for example, while sieging a tower); this sets me up for stuns and big ultimates. I don't ever have trouble getting 3-4 with a stun, which is ridiculous in dota terms.
aka Mathies! twitch.tv/Mathies if you want to watch me fail. esfiworld.com/author/mathies/
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 23 2013 10:54 GMT
#4098
Btw, I'll just link a recent VoD of Hai grinding on his smurf : http://www.twitch.tv/hail9/b/433109900

Just look at how he's carrying his team. Often he'll just push mid lane endlessly. It could look like he's useless but if he's not stopped by the ennemy he wins the game. But since he can 1v1 anyone, they need to send several people to stop him, freeing his other lanes.
Very sraightfroward but it works, because he knows how it works.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 23 2013 10:55 GMT
#4099
On July 23 2013 19:50 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:49 Kupon3ss wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:23 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Lol...just the fact that you think Syndra of all champions has a "5 person stun" is ridiculous. That's like saying antimage has a "5 person stun" in DotA.


It affects a cone that is bigger than any single ability in dota... I think Syndra is ridiculous and thats why I play her.


now we know you're trolling. show yourself out. thanks.


to be fair, the stun is about the size of MF's ult

Thank you! MF's ulti is bigger than any ulti in Dota.


you are so wrong and im just laughing at you now
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 23 2013 10:56 GMT
#4100
On July 23 2013 19:54 XilDarkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 19:51 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:50 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:49 Kupon3ss wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:43 ItsFunToLose wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:23 XilDarkz wrote:
On July 23 2013 19:22 DURRHURRDERP wrote:
Lol...just the fact that you think Syndra of all champions has a "5 person stun" is ridiculous. That's like saying antimage has a "5 person stun" in DotA.


It affects a cone that is bigger than any single ability in dota... I think Syndra is ridiculous and thats why I play her.


now we know you're trolling. show yourself out. thanks.


to be fair, the stun is about the size of MF's ult

Thank you! MF's ulti is bigger than any ulti in Dota.

Only if set up like 10 seconds in advance; also the fact it knocksback can often be more troublesome than helpful.

With my mana, I spam orbs in the 7orb sequence before any fight (for example, while sieging a tower); this sets me up for stuns and big ultimates. I don't ever have trouble getting 3-4 with a stun, which is ridiculous in dota terms.

7 orbs; with 2.4 second cooldown on Q; that's 16.8 sec of set up time.
liftlift > tsm
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