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It could very well be that neither side is lying. The individual people who contacted the teams may have implied that they could only have a LoL team even though Riot has no such rule or intention to have such rule. Or maybe Riot was thinking about having such a rule and the employees who talked to the teams thought they did have that rule. Or maybe Riot was doing preliminary planning for such rule and then immediately squashed it on further review.
The only thing I see is that it doesn't make sense for Riot to make such a rule. It makes zero sense for them to voluntarily take this kind of ill will. There's no way they have the power to make that kind of play, and it really doesn't make sense when teams like CLG, M5, and Dignitas are major players in their sport. Such a rule would be suicide and just brings them bad PR.
But I don't think the teams have any real reason to lie about it. They may have misunderstood what Riot told them, or the people form Riot may have misspoke or misunderstood what they were supposed to say. This is not unlikely when you think about the Reddit post about the ex-employee at Riot who talked about the poor communication/coordination between departments at Riot.
I don't believe Riot ever seriously planned to do this because they stand to gain almost nothing from it.
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On September 06 2012 20:26 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:21 Gorsameth wrote:
So SirScoots comes with this idea of not being allowed a Dota and LoL team while a lot of other teams actualy already have mutliple teams (CLG, M5 for example) and were to take his word for it?
This is the same guy that got Curse and Dig fucked over because he said he overheard talking about price splitting which after being confronted turns out to only be a suspicion because they agreed to a single non serious game in a bo5.
SirScoots isnt a reliable source for the color of his own shirt. Let alone something like this. He never said he wasn't allowed a LoL team because he has a dota team. It's true that riot planed to implement a rule that would force teams to have only a LOL division,a lot of teams came forward and said riot confronted them with this idea and they manage to argue otherwise so Riot dropped it. Btw what Riot had to say on this clearly shows that they had something in the works because they never DENIED that they planed something like this.All they said is they will not force anyone to drop a team from another Moba franchise and that it was only a rumor.
Which teams said something about the rule?
I've only heard of SirScoots and haven't read any statements from any other team.
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On September 06 2012 20:31 Takkara wrote:
It could very well be that neither side is lying. The individual people who contacted the teams may have implied that they could only have a LoL team even though Riot has no such rule or intention to have such rule. Or maybe Riot was thinking about having such a rule and the employees who talked to the teams thought they did have that rule. Or maybe Riot was doing preliminary planning for such rule and then immediately squashed it on further review.
The only thing I see is that it doesn't make sense for Riot to make such a rule. It makes zero sense for them to voluntarily take this kind of ill will. There's no way they have the power to make that kind of play, and it really doesn't make sense when teams like CLG, M5, and Dignitas are major players in their sport. Such a rule would be suicide and just brings them bad PR.
But I don't think the teams have any real reason to lie about it. They may have misunderstood what Riot told them, or the people form Riot may have misspoke or misunderstood what they were supposed to say. This is not unlikely when you think about the Reddit post about the ex-employee at Riot who talked about the poor communication/coordination between departments at Riot.
I don't believe Riot ever seriously planned to do this because they stand to gain almost nothing from it.
Why would riot even approach two teams that have no interests currently in lol.
It makes more sense that dig approached riot about picking up a dota2 team.
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On September 06 2012 20:27 gaizka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 19:23 OutlaW- wrote:On September 06 2012 19:01 TheKefka wrote:On September 06 2012 18:54 qtiehunter wrote:On September 06 2012 17:46 Xevious wrote:if you're an xpecial fanboy don't read this + Show Spoiler +i don't get why xpecial rages so much in solo queue
the guy is a professional gamer on one of the best teams in the world living in a gaming house with zero financial fear whatsoever. everyone loves him and he has a huge fanbase of people who basically worship him and will obey anything he says. he lives with his hot asian girlfriend and his bros who are also professional gamers where they play league of legends and eat food from 7/11. can one ask for a better life?
yet he gets more angry over his solo queue points than almost every other pro player. + Show Spoiler +In my opinion, he rages so hard in soloqueue as a way to let out the frustration he has over his looks. Let's see: Chaox has a very smooth smile and stare, OddOne is undeniably sexy, Reginald's eyebrows are mia and his head looks like a Mayan head statue and that makes him interesting, Dyrus is a hunky 6+ feet tall man. What does Xpecial have? His face is generic, his body is generic, his expression is lacking emotion, his moving stance is one of an irrelevant person. So he mad cuz he isn't sexy and takes it out on your 0-4 lee sin who's getting raped by nunu top or the blitzcrank who always hooks in amumu so he can ult your team np. I guess money doesn't buy self-esteem. + Show Spoiler +Disclaimer: I may or may not be making stuff up *~* + Show Spoiler +why are we putting everything into spoiler? + Show Spoiler +cause we obviously form a secret society that only cool people are allowed in + Show Spoiler +That head is olmeca, not mayan. But he does look kinda mayan ![[image loading]](http://www.mysticunicorn.com/graphics/P-4.jpg)
+ Show Spoiler +You learn something every day.
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EG is where progamers go to die. Who cares what controversy SirScoots wants to stir up now. It's just a shame Stephano is currently building his coffin to go along with Huk, Thorzain and Idra.
Interesting article from WingsofDeath on solomid. Nothing surprising of course but it just shows how much useless drama gets stirred up in e-sports for the fun of it. I do feel sorry for DontMashMe though, his teams keep falling apart around him and he seems a nice guy from what I've seen.
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On September 06 2012 20:31 Takkara wrote:
It could very well be that neither side is lying. The individual people who contacted the teams may have implied that they could only have a LoL team even though Riot has no such rule or intention to have such rule. Or maybe Riot was thinking about having such a rule and the employees who talked to the teams thought they did have that rule. Or maybe Riot was doing preliminary planning for such rule and then immediately squashed it on further review.
The only thing I see is that it doesn't make sense for Riot to make such a rule. It makes zero sense for them to voluntarily take this kind of ill will. There's no way they have the power to make that kind of play, and it really doesn't make sense when teams like CLG, M5, and Dignitas are major players in their sport. Such a rule would be suicide and just brings them bad PR.
But I don't think the teams have any real reason to lie about it. They may have misunderstood what Riot told them, or the people form Riot may have misspoke or misunderstood what they were supposed to say. This is not unlikely when you think about the Reddit post about the ex-employee at Riot who talked about the poor communication/coordination between departments at Riot.
I don't believe Riot ever seriously planned to do this because they stand to gain almost nothing from it.
From what i read, there were talks about "only one team in season 3" meaning for example "only CLG.na or CLG.eu, not both" and it might have been misunderstood as "only one MOBA team".
I'm still searching for any exact phrase or statement that confirms anything either way but it's all assumptions or generalization, nothing precise.
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On September 06 2012 20:37 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:26 TheKefka wrote:On September 06 2012 20:21 Gorsameth wrote:
So SirScoots comes with this idea of not being allowed a Dota and LoL team while a lot of other teams actualy already have mutliple teams (CLG, M5 for example) and were to take his word for it?
This is the same guy that got Curse and Dig fucked over because he said he overheard talking about price splitting which after being confronted turns out to only be a suspicion because they agreed to a single non serious game in a bo5.
SirScoots isnt a reliable source for the color of his own shirt. Let alone something like this. He never said he wasn't allowed a LoL team because he has a dota team. It's true that riot planed to implement a rule that would force teams to have only a LOL division,a lot of teams came forward and said riot confronted them with this idea and they manage to argue otherwise so Riot dropped it. Btw what Riot had to say on this clearly shows that they had something in the works because they never DENIED that they planed something like this.All they said is they will not force anyone to drop a team from another Moba franchise and that it was only a rumor. Which teams said something about the rule? I've only heard of SirScoots and haven't read any statements from any other team.
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/zf6bg/dont_listen_to_riot_the_lol_team_exclusivity/c642gyf
EG,Complexity confirmed if publicly,Dignitas didn't say anything yet but they actively negotiated against this apparently.
On September 06 2012 20:37 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:31 Takkara wrote:
It could very well be that neither side is lying. The individual people who contacted the teams may have implied that they could only have a LoL team even though Riot has no such rule or intention to have such rule. Or maybe Riot was thinking about having such a rule and the employees who talked to the teams thought they did have that rule. Or maybe Riot was doing preliminary planning for such rule and then immediately squashed it on further review.
The only thing I see is that it doesn't make sense for Riot to make such a rule. It makes zero sense for them to voluntarily take this kind of ill will. There's no way they have the power to make that kind of play, and it really doesn't make sense when teams like CLG, M5, and Dignitas are major players in their sport. Such a rule would be suicide and just brings them bad PR.
But I don't think the teams have any real reason to lie about it. They may have misunderstood what Riot told them, or the people form Riot may have misspoke or misunderstood what they were supposed to say. This is not unlikely when you think about the Reddit post about the ex-employee at Riot who talked about the poor communication/coordination between departments at Riot.
I don't believe Riot ever seriously planned to do this because they stand to gain almost nothing from it. Why would riot even approach two teams that have no interests currently in lol. It makes more sense that dig approached riot about picking up a dota2 team.
They didn't approach only 2 teams,Riot approached all top tier esport teams according to complexitys Rileno.
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EG doesnt have a LoL team. Complexity doesnt have one i believe?
Where is CLG. Where is M5? they are the onces with double teams. they are the onces with a stake in this. Let them come out and say its true to put pressure on Riot. Not a guy who is known for hating on LoL
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On September 06 2012 20:48 Gorsameth wrote:
EG doesnt have a LoL team. Complexity doesnt have one i believe?
Where is CLG. Where is M5? they are the onces with double teams. they are the onces with a stake in this. Let them come out and say its true to put pressure on Riot. Not a guy who is known for hating on LoL
No,because I wouldn't be surprised if CLG and M5 were kinda ok with this going down.
CLG has it's main foothold in LoL(although their dota team is good),M5's dota team is mediocre from what I understand.Signing a exclusivity contract wouldn't be too hard on them tbh.
The reason the other teams came out with it is because they don't feel like getting strong armed by a game company in one direction.We still don't know which Moba will be the most successful in the long run and teams want to have their options when deciding which moba game to pick up and when.
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I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~
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On September 06 2012 20:52 Antyee wrote:
I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~
Look people can think what they want but simply the fact that Riot never came out and denied any of the accusations that were made(they merely said that it won't happen and it was only a rumor),shows that they had something planed.
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On September 06 2012 20:56 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:52 Antyee wrote:
I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~ Look people can think what they want but simply the fact that Riot never came out and denied any of the accusations that were made(they merely said that it won't happen and it was only a rumor),shows that they had something planed.
They might have planned something, but still, this is quite of an overreaction.
Seriously, even if it's true (and obviously won't happen), why would anyone want to mention it publicly, if not to hurt people with it? According to them, every team has been approached, and they made Riot change their mind.
Why go witch-hunting then?
It's nothing but needless drama over nothing, or over a bad thought.
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On September 06 2012 20:56 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:52 Antyee wrote:
I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~ Look people can think what they want but simply the fact that Riot never came out and denied any of the accusations that were made(they merely said that it won't happen and it was only a rumor),shows that they had something planed.
Yeah, we don't need to blindly defend Riot, either. Sometimes the most well-intentioned companies make some really dumb decisions. They should be called out on it and they should backtrack. It seems like this rule was completely squashed, so there's no worry there.
This sounds eerily familiar to the MLG uniforms rule. There was communication to the teams that they would have to wear MLG standard uniforms instead of their team uniforms. Teams like EG pitched an unholy fit and exposed the rumor to the public. MLG came out and said that it was a preliminary rule, the email was not intended to be sent out in the form that it was, and that the rule was not going to be enacted.
It was Scoots at the center of that controversy as well, and it was corroborated by other team captains. The rule obviously never surfaced and almost no one remembers it anymore. Same will probably happen here.
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On September 06 2012 20:56 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:52 Antyee wrote:
I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~ Look people can think what they want but simply the fact that Riot never came out and denied any of the accusations that were made(they merely said that it won't happen and it was only a rumor),shows that they had something planed.
"Guilty until proven innocent"?
Riot said it is a false rumor and teams are not bound to having only a LoL team so where is the reason for all that drama?
Should they have said something else?
"We never wanted exclusive contracts"?
"We asked teams if they would like exclusive contracts, they said no so we didn't do it"?
There is too little information in all this witch-hunting drama, noone knows any details and except for maybe SirScoots noone that was directly involved in any negotiations said anything...
Rileno 14 Punkte 9 Stunden zuvor
I'm pretty sure Riot mentioned it to all of the top-tier eSports organizations regardless if they had a team or not. Seems like it was "Hey, if you want to have a LoL team in season 3, you'll have to sign with us" kind of deal. I'm not exactly the person in the negotiation room though. (Emphasis mine)
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On September 06 2012 21:05 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:56 TheKefka wrote:On September 06 2012 20:52 Antyee wrote:
I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~ Look people can think what they want but simply the fact that Riot never came out and denied any of the accusations that were made(they merely said that it won't happen and it was only a rumor),shows that they had something planed. "Guilty until proven innocent"? Riot said it is a false rumor and teams are not bound to having only a LoL team so where is the reason for all that drama? Should they have said something else? "We never wanted exclusive contracts"? "We asked teams if they would like exclusive contracts, they said no so we didn't do it"? There is too little information in all this witch-hunting drama, noone knows any details and except for maybe SirScoots noone that was directly involved in any negotiations said anything... Show nested quote +Rileno 14 Punkte 9 Stunden zuvor
I'm pretty sure Riot mentioned it to all of the top-tier eSports organizations regardless if they had a team or not. Seems like it was "Hey, if you want to have a LoL team in season 3, you'll have to sign with us" kind of deal. I'm not exactly the person in the negotiation room though. (Emphasis mine)
Yes they should have said something else what a stupid question.When you have something untrue and potentially brand damaging lying on your door step you don't just shrug it off if it's untrue,you get a press release out in an instant and say it's a blatant lie.
This is that "AHA I KNEW IT" moment for Dota people.They won't let this pass with just Riot shrugging this off and moving on,they want to expose Riot as a company that wants to promote a inferior game at any cost.
Fact of the matter is Riot was always more aggressive in promoting their game than valve,that being said dota still isn't out yet technically,but if Riot can somehow gain a leg up on the competition than it's worth it.
Teams signing a exclusivity contract is not a small fucking deal,especially not for the ones that already have LoL and Dota teams.If riot really approached every major esport team and if they were to agree on this,a good amount of dota teams would suddenly find themselves homeless.
If this is completely true I say people are entitled to their witch hunts.They wont get much out of it but if it makes them feel good I say let em have it.
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On September 06 2012 20:56 TheKefka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:52 Antyee wrote:
I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~ Look people can think what they want but simply the fact that Riot never came out and denied any of the accusations that were made(they merely said that it won't happen and it was only a rumor),shows that they had something planed.
So they have to say: "We never planed this, we will never plan this and we will never want to plan this, Amen." in order for the denial to be plausible?
Companies will never comment on their internal strategies for several reasons.
a) You don't want to censor your own employees so that they can be as innovative as possible. It's called brainstorming and people will bring up all kind of shit.
b) Once you start doing this, you have to defend yourself every time somebody starts a rumor somewhere. This makes you vulnerable and you have to constantly expand resources to defend yourself. Because you have to be always on time otherwise people can turn a rumor into fact. Hey look, the didn't respond fast enough, so whatever Mr. X said on the internet must be true, because they didn't deny it.
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On September 06 2012 20:41 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:31 Takkara wrote:
It could very well be that neither side is lying. The individual people who contacted the teams may have implied that they could only have a LoL team even though Riot has no such rule or intention to have such rule. Or maybe Riot was thinking about having such a rule and the employees who talked to the teams thought they did have that rule. Or maybe Riot was doing preliminary planning for such rule and then immediately squashed it on further review.
The only thing I see is that it doesn't make sense for Riot to make such a rule. It makes zero sense for them to voluntarily take this kind of ill will. There's no way they have the power to make that kind of play, and it really doesn't make sense when teams like CLG, M5, and Dignitas are major players in their sport. Such a rule would be suicide and just brings them bad PR.
But I don't think the teams have any real reason to lie about it. They may have misunderstood what Riot told them, or the people form Riot may have misspoke or misunderstood what they were supposed to say. This is not unlikely when you think about the Reddit post about the ex-employee at Riot who talked about the poor communication/coordination between departments at Riot.
I don't believe Riot ever seriously planned to do this because they stand to gain almost nothing from it. From what i read, there were talks about "only one team in season 3" meaning for example "only CLG.na or CLG.eu, not both" and it might have been misunderstood as "only one MOBA team". I'm still searching for any exact phrase or statement that confirms anything either way but it's all assumptions or generalization, nothing precise.
From what I heard that was a 1 team/region rule. So Evo, if it still existed, and CLG.Black would have had to go. Maybe EG can buy Black from CLG? Hue.
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Why does it matter... It's not happening. It's over. End of story.
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On September 06 2012 21:13 BlueSpace wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 20:56 TheKefka wrote:On September 06 2012 20:52 Antyee wrote:
I've said the exact same thing over there, but I got flamed, 'cause blind DOTA fanboys think that SirScoots' words are written in stone.
They are in hardcore witchhunt mode, whereas noone knows what happened or what didn't happen.
Why don't they just watch TV if they want useless drama~.~ Look people can think what they want but simply the fact that Riot never came out and denied any of the accusations that were made(they merely said that it won't happen and it was only a rumor),shows that they had something planed. So they have to say: "We never planed this, we will never plan this and we will never want to plan this, Amen." in order for the denial to be plausible? Companies will never comment on their internal strategies for several reasons. a) You don't want to censor your own employees so that they can be as innovative as possible. It's called brainstorming and people will bring up all kind of shit. b) Once you start doing this, you have to defend yourself every time somebody starts a rumor somewhere. This makes you vulnerable and you have to constantly expand resources to defend yourself. Because you have to be always on time otherwise people can turn a rumor into fact. Hey look, the didn't respond fast enough, so whatever Mr. X said on the internet must be true, because they didn't deny it.
a)What does this have to do with the topic even,I have no idea what you are trying to say.Company's censor their employes all the time,they are under strict NDA's mostly when talking about internal company affairs.This topic has nothing to do with the creative part of game designing.
b)This isn't just some random John Doe starting a rumor,it's the actual teams that Riot approached.So yes,seeing as Riot want to have a image of a open minded and community friendly company it wouldn't look good on their resume if they are simultaneously trying to undermine another one.
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