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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 00:40:52
September 13 2012 00:39 GMT
#3221
On September 13 2012 09:24 Bladeorade wrote:
Make a Champion:

AP-
Ryze Passive
Cass Q
TF W
Cass E
Ahri R

Late to the party op


get twitch passive, and pick a new q imo. the rest I really like.
Carrilord has arrived.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
September 13 2012 00:43 GMT
#3222
Voyboy attempting the reginald build on gragas, needless to say, he is failing miserably.
Best Teemo World
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
September 13 2012 00:45 GMT
#3223
On September 13 2012 09:43 qanik wrote:
Voyboy attempting the reginald build on gragas, needless to say, he is failing miserably.

What is the "Reginald build"?

getting dfg?
A backwards poet writes inverse.
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
September 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#3224
On September 13 2012 09:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 09:43 qanik wrote:
Voyboy attempting the reginald build on gragas, needless to say, he is failing miserably.

What is the "Reginald build"?

getting dfg?

pretty sure it's triple gp5. which is not a build developed by regi.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11943 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 00:47:38
September 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#3225
On September 13 2012 09:33 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 07:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
The game used to have (at an estimate) literally twice or two and a half times more sustain than now between better, more common sources of healing and their multiplication with stronger resist items. cutting that down has been the single best category of improvement in the game since I started playing. Remember shit like

- Old morde. Did absolutely nothing except afk push, could not be killed in lane due to infinite shield, really couldn't even be usefully ganked.
- Old vlad, the true huehuehue. King of da heal.
- Many iterations of soraka, zero interaction in lane, carries teamfights with zero skill required, mash W and opponents can't get kills.
- Any tanky dps with old hog.
- Ad carries who were practically hybrid tanks in the midgame because doran's blade was that good and made you that bulky

It wasn't uncommon to have tournament games where 8-10 out of 10 players would be playing heroes with sustain that would be considered far, far above the curve of games today. And it was boring as shit. Nothing happened! It wasn't just a tournament thing, either, pub play was just the same way, even at my low noob level. It was just so hard to kill people it wasn't worth the effort half the time.



Let me just say, that of all those abilities, only Soraka W is the kind of "sustain" I would like to see more of. I Don't think Astral Blessing is weak, but its on a 20 Second Cooldown for 350 (+.45 AP). To compare, Annie's Q does 245 +.7 on a 4 second cooldown, meaning you could not outheal the damage (even accounting for resists). Also Viktor Q is 260 (+.65) on 5 second cooldown, Ryze Q 160 (+.4 AP + .065 Mana) 3.5 seconds (plus passive), Veigar 260 + .6, 4 seconds. . (As an aside there are not a lot of single target nukes in the game).

It seems odd to me that a healer cannot outheal a single nuke from a single ability from a single spellcaster.



You need to consider that a healer can pretty easily use his heal on cooldown, while it is much harder for the nuke to be used nonstop, usually a trade happens, and then there is some downtime and positioning games where both sides try to make the next trade more beneficial for themselves, which makes a heal much more powerful then a nuke with the same stats.

Best Support:

Some Ranged Base
Janna passive?
Blitz Q
Soraka W
Ali Q
Ashe R
Praetorial
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States4241 Posts
September 13 2012 00:47 GMT
#3226
AP should be

Morgana passive
Gragas Q
Xerath W
Zyra E
Zyra R

Always farm never die
FOR GREAT JUSTICE! Bans for the ban gods!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 13 2012 00:53 GMT
#3227
On September 13 2012 09:46 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 09:33 cLutZ wrote:
On September 13 2012 07:48 UniversalSnip wrote:
The game used to have (at an estimate) literally twice or two and a half times more sustain than now between better, more common sources of healing and their multiplication with stronger resist items. cutting that down has been the single best category of improvement in the game since I started playing. Remember shit like

- Old morde. Did absolutely nothing except afk push, could not be killed in lane due to infinite shield, really couldn't even be usefully ganked.
- Old vlad, the true huehuehue. King of da heal.
- Many iterations of soraka, zero interaction in lane, carries teamfights with zero skill required, mash W and opponents can't get kills.
- Any tanky dps with old hog.
- Ad carries who were practically hybrid tanks in the midgame because doran's blade was that good and made you that bulky

It wasn't uncommon to have tournament games where 8-10 out of 10 players would be playing heroes with sustain that would be considered far, far above the curve of games today. And it was boring as shit. Nothing happened! It wasn't just a tournament thing, either, pub play was just the same way, even at my low noob level. It was just so hard to kill people it wasn't worth the effort half the time.



Let me just say, that of all those abilities, only Soraka W is the kind of "sustain" I would like to see more of. I Don't think Astral Blessing is weak, but its on a 20 Second Cooldown for 350 (+.45 AP). To compare, Annie's Q does 245 +.7 on a 4 second cooldown, meaning you could not outheal the damage (even accounting for resists). Also Viktor Q is 260 (+.65) on 5 second cooldown, Ryze Q 160 (+.4 AP + .065 Mana) 3.5 seconds (plus passive), Veigar 260 + .6, 4 seconds. . (As an aside there are not a lot of single target nukes in the game).

It seems odd to me that a healer cannot outheal a single nuke from a single ability from a single spellcaster.



You need to consider that a healer can pretty easily use his heal on cooldown, while it is much harder for the nuke to be used nonstop, usually a trade happens, and then there is some downtime and positioning games where both sides try to make the next trade more beneficial for themselves, which makes a heal much more powerful then a nuke with the same stats.

Best Support:

Some Ranged Base
Janna passive?
Blitz Q
Soraka W
Ali Q
Ashe R


Well, its in fact hard to find spells that turn out as favorably for Soraka as the spells I chose (single targets). I think people are seriously underestimating how often it is hard engages and instagibs that determine fights, and heals/shields are fairly impotent against that. I mean, Dig ran it successfully against CLG in regionals and people were seriously stoked to see something other than 2xAP or Bruiser comp. Then they tried it again and TSM said /lolstomp.
Freeeeeeedom
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
September 13 2012 00:54 GMT
#3228
On September 13 2012 09:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 09:43 qanik wrote:
Voyboy attempting the reginald build on gragas, needless to say, he is failing miserably.

What is the "Reginald build"?

getting dfg?


The doran rings into RoA and have 100+ AP by 25mins mark.
Best Teemo World
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 13 2012 00:59 GMT
#3229
Meh. I've been delaying buying and trying Karma mid for months because they said (maybe three months ago) that a rework was under way for her. Shouldn't have listened to Riot's soon© I guess. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 13 2012 01:00 GMT
#3230
On September 13 2012 09:47 Praetorial wrote:
AP should be

Morgana passive
Gragas Q
Xerath W
Zyra E
Zyra R

Always farm never die


except spellvamp blows with that kit
Carrilord has arrived.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 13 2012 01:01 GMT
#3231
On September 13 2012 09:47 Praetorial wrote:
AP should be

Morgana passive
Gragas Q
Xerath W
Zyra E
Zyra R

Always farm never die

"Best AP" without question should include Leblanc Ultimate and/or Zilean Rewind.

Both skills are balanced around the power of the skills they're being used with. So if you combine those with nukes that are significantly stronger than the skills they're normally paired with, you get a hero with drastically higher overall effectiveness.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
September 13 2012 01:10 GMT
#3232
On September 13 2012 08:58 Kouda wrote:
Navi playing with Scarra, WR, Ny, and Aphro.

Got hooked and FB'd. lol.

Nyjacky playing Karma mid btw.


fk scarra i pull a westdoor and pick mid b4 him so i can see more of his ad gragas
Hey! Listen!
Bladeorade
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1898 Posts
September 13 2012 01:10 GMT
#3233
On September 13 2012 09:39 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 09:24 Bladeorade wrote:
Make a Champion:

AP-
Ryze Passive
Cass Q
TF W
Cass E
Ahri R

Late to the party op


get twitch passive, and pick a new q imo. the rest I really like.

Why Twitch Passive?

The whole point of Ryze passive is to spam everything lol. Stun QEQE Stun QEQE with 3 dashes op
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#3234
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/mid-september-patch-notes

Patch notes. No balance changes, but Syndra is coming, kill streaks are easier to get, and Riot Graves is imba vs Leona.
It's your boy Guzma!
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 01:18:22
September 13 2012 01:18 GMT
#3235
On September 13 2012 10:01 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 09:47 Praetorial wrote:
AP should be

Morgana passive
Gragas Q
Xerath W
Zyra E
Zyra R

Always farm never die

"Best AP" without question should include Leblanc Ultimate and/or Zilean Rewind.

Both skills are balanced around the power of the skills they're being used with. So if you combine those with nukes that are significantly stronger than the skills they're normally paired with, you get a hero with drastically higher overall effectiveness.

PANTHEON SPEAR. Oh how much would I dream of a LB ult on Panth... Double spear insta kill.
The legend of Darien lives on
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 13 2012 01:20 GMT
#3236
Syndra has arrived~

So many APs lately~
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