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On September 07 2012 00:14 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 23:59 Requizen wrote:Which mid should I learn that I own? I don't want to buy another one yet, and I own Kennen, Brand, Lux, and Galio. I guess Annie isn't out of the question since she's more or less free. Mid is just my weak point and I need to be able to play it better if need be. I also have Ori and Viktor, but suck at them pretty hard. Breakdown of how I feel with each currently, spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler +I was thinking Kennen since I like more mobile champs, but I seriously can't figure out how to play the guy. You have good range on Q and autos, but his ult and E need melee and you're squishy, and W isn't super long range either. His burst also feels kind of low, but high teamfight utility if you survive long enough to ult things.
Brand is probably my "best" right now, in that he's very straighforward and has the only goal of hitting as many things as possible with fire. He feels like he falls off pretty hard, though, unless you're really ahead.
I'm decent at Lux and she's fun, but I feel like if you don't get ahead and/or win lane, she's really underwhelming. Good ganking/gank assists, though.
I've only played Galio a couple times. I like his burst and pushing power in lane, but outside of ult I feel like he's kind of useless later on. His damage isn't super high and you're building more tanky anyway, and his utility is ok but not great. Maybe I just need more experience on him. Ever tried Ryze? he's nearly free and pretty straightforward to play. Build MP and CDR, find a target and roll your face across the keyboard.
Oh fuck I forgot I have Ryze. I even have a bloody Rune page for him that's all mana shit. What is wrong with me?
Only thing about Ryze is his weak as shit early game, and I always seem to get counterpicked by super long range pushers like Ziggs and Ahri the few times I play him. I know he's supposed to beat Ahri, but they always just play like pansies, push hard, and then roam to other lanes. Very annoying.
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On September 06 2012 23:59 Requizen wrote:Which mid should I learn that I own? I don't want to buy another one yet, and I own Kennen, Brand, Lux, and Galio. I guess Annie isn't out of the question since she's more or less free. Mid is just my weak point and I need to be able to play it better if need be. I also have Ori and Viktor, but suck at them pretty hard. Breakdown of how I feel with each currently, spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler +I was thinking Kennen since I like more mobile champs, but I seriously can't figure out how to play the guy. You have good range on Q and autos, but his ult and E need melee and you're squishy, and W isn't super long range either. His burst also feels kind of low, but high teamfight utility if you survive long enough to ult things.
Brand is probably my "best" right now, in that he's very straighforward and has the only goal of hitting as many things as possible with fire. He feels like he falls off pretty hard, though, unless you're really ahead.
I'm decent at Lux and she's fun, but I feel like if you don't get ahead and/or win lane, she's really underwhelming. Good ganking/gank assists, though.
I've only played Galio a couple times. I like his burst and pushing power in lane, but outside of ult I feel like he's kind of useless later on. His damage isn't super high and you're building more tanky anyway, and his utility is ok but not great. Maybe I just need more experience on him.
i'd say learn annie, tbh. Her entry-level mechanics requirement is really low, meaning you have a lot more time spent paying attention to lane interactions rather than making sure you get combos right. That way, you can more easily learn what you're supposed to do as a mid and how you might accomplish that, rather than being stuck figuring out how the champion works.
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On September 07 2012 00:17 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 00:14 thenexusp wrote:On September 06 2012 23:59 Requizen wrote:Which mid should I learn that I own? I don't want to buy another one yet, and I own Kennen, Brand, Lux, and Galio. I guess Annie isn't out of the question since she's more or less free. Mid is just my weak point and I need to be able to play it better if need be. I also have Ori and Viktor, but suck at them pretty hard. Breakdown of how I feel with each currently, spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler +I was thinking Kennen since I like more mobile champs, but I seriously can't figure out how to play the guy. You have good range on Q and autos, but his ult and E need melee and you're squishy, and W isn't super long range either. His burst also feels kind of low, but high teamfight utility if you survive long enough to ult things.
Brand is probably my "best" right now, in that he's very straighforward and has the only goal of hitting as many things as possible with fire. He feels like he falls off pretty hard, though, unless you're really ahead.
I'm decent at Lux and she's fun, but I feel like if you don't get ahead and/or win lane, she's really underwhelming. Good ganking/gank assists, though.
I've only played Galio a couple times. I like his burst and pushing power in lane, but outside of ult I feel like he's kind of useless later on. His damage isn't super high and you're building more tanky anyway, and his utility is ok but not great. Maybe I just need more experience on him. Ever tried Ryze? he's nearly free and pretty straightforward to play. Build MP and CDR, find a target and roll your face across the keyboard. Oh fuck I forgot I have Ryze. I even have a bloody Rune page for him that's all mana shit. What is wrong with me? Only thing about Ryze is his weak as shit early game, and I always seem to get counterpicked by super long range pushers like Ziggs and Ahri the few times I play him. I know he's supposed to beat Ahri, but they always just play like pansies, push hard, and then roam to other lanes. Very annoying.
Warding is especially important for Ryze, since he does get shoved on pretty hard. If you ward correctly, and you know the mid is moving to other lane, you just pop your ultimate, shove lane, and follow. Or that's the theory behind it.
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On September 07 2012 00:09 Keniji wrote:
why is nobody using surge on ad carries? 40% as bonus sounds incredible strong mid/late game. Especially on adc that don't have a as steroid and don't max out the 2.5 as. It doesn't even sound that bad early game. Is ignite that much stronger early that you would lose lane so hard? I don't see how ignite would beat it out mid/late game.
also revive es #1 late game summoner.
Surge is terrible because attack speed buffs are additive. When you have 45% from levels, 25% from boots, and 55% from PD the temporary 40% from Surge just isn't all that special. You're only attacking 18% faster than you were without Surge, and you can't use it again for over three minutes. It's even worse if your team has Zeke's or other AS buffs.
Late-game Ignite is more useful because it not only deals 410 damage, but can reduces healing. Once the enemy AD has lots of life steal that can be hundreds of health (not to mention if they have a support like Soraka).
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surge good on ARAM thats about it, gives you some great extra burst on AOE champs like AP yi or amumu or galio or whatever
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On September 07 2012 00:17 Requizen wrote:Only thing about Ryze is his weak as shit early game, and I always seem to get counterpicked by super long range pushers like Ziggs and Ahri the few times I play him. I know he's supposed to beat Ahri, but they always just play like pansies, push hard, and then roam to other lanes. Very annoying.
His early game isn't nearly as weak as it was before they changed him. A big part of playing Ryze is using his ult to farm. Every spell you cast decreases its cooldown by 1 second, so it comes back extremely quickly once you have the mana to spam your stuff at will.
I'm not exactly sure how you play like a pansy and push hard at the same time? 
Ryze is pretty good at roaming too (and following someone who is roaming), given that a common setup has movement speed quints, initiator, and switness. Main thing playing against is Ahri is getting her to burn her ult so she can't use it when roaming. She's really mediocre at roaming once you do that.
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you can play like a pansy by just pushing the wave and refusing to fight your opponent.
re:surge, it's a shit lategame summoner, but it can be used as a cheese in some lanes (admittedly very few).
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Ryze ult gives him spellvamp and AoE so if you trade post 6 with a big wave and ult up you'll almost always come out ahead.
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What barbsq said. A lot of times I can win 1v1 easy, but they'll just sit back and push with AoE and superior range.
Hm, maybe I'll focus on Ryze. Pretty solid champ, and hasn't been banned much since his rework.
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Ahri is not a Ryze counterpick. She's good vs him at the levels where basically everyone is good vs him, but he's one of the few champions that can go toe to toe with her at 6 assuming he's not already way behind.
about Annie, I've actually wondered to myself why she hasn't become more popular with the rise of the DFG army, if you think about it the item really covers a lot of her weaknesses. her W is still way too expensive tho >.>
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Surge just feels so weak when you compare it side-by-side with exhaust. Even champions that can use both the AP and attack speed don't take surge. My opinion is that it needs some kind of movement speed boost to be viable, but seeing how Ghost already is the movement-speed-summoner that's unlikely. Although I don't actually think stapling Ghost to Surge would actually be that overpowered (you probably need to tweak the duration or some numbers though)
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On September 07 2012 00:41 zer0das wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 00:17 Requizen wrote:Only thing about Ryze is his weak as shit early game, and I always seem to get counterpicked by super long range pushers like Ziggs and Ahri the few times I play him. I know he's supposed to beat Ahri, but they always just play like pansies, push hard, and then roam to other lanes. Very annoying. His early game isn't nearly as weak as it was before they changed him. A big part of playing Ryze is using his ult to farm. Every spell you cast decreases its cooldown by 1 second, so it comes back extremely quickly once you have the mana to spam your stuff at will. I'm not exactly sure how you play like a pansy and push hard at the same time? Ryze is pretty good at roaming too (and following someone who is roaming), given that a common setup has movement speed quints, initiator, and switness. Main thing playing against is Ahri is getting her to burn her ult so she can't use it when roaming. She's really mediocre at roaming once you do that.
His early game is not much stronger if at all. I'd rather have the 25 range back on Q.
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Sorry for the lack of elaboration of the question but... who is the most snowbally champion? I want to know which champion is seen by most people as the one with highest snowball potential. (inb4 nunu hue hue hue)
Thanks in advance!
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Burst assassins probably are the "most" snowball. 20 mejai's stack Akali or Kassadin terror.
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On September 07 2012 00:03 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 00:01 xes wrote:
Lux and Brand require the same mechanics: never miss skillshots, win lane easily.
Brand has a ton of frontloaded burst and you can usually 1v2 their mid/jungler if they are both <3/4 HP and you are post 6.
Lux just farms from miles away until you have 40% CDR and Deathcap in which case you roam and oneshot bot lane. My only issue with both is the lack of mobility. Lux kind of makes up for it with CC, I suppose. I'm starting to realize there are very few mages with both high burst and mobility. Outside of melee assassins like Akali and Kass (which I refuse to play because I'm horrid at it), there's, what, LeBlanc and Ahri?
gragas
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Fizz or Riven imo, 1 kill and you can't go near them. But like a lot of other champions are close, and just looking at the two there are so many reasons why one might be better.
-Riven has more good lane match ups and less bad lane match ups, Fizz is like a couple good, a couple unwinnable and like 30 skill based (not that that is bad) where Riven is like, 30 good the rest push.
-Fizz can carry thru ganks and can gank top and bot because he is mid, but if your teammates don't get some of the killing blows/don't take advantage of the assist gold, or the experience advantage, he can't carry like Riven can carry.
but as far as just snowballing the lane I'd take one of those two for sure.
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On September 07 2012 01:15 OutlaW- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 00:03 Requizen wrote:On September 07 2012 00:01 xes wrote:
Lux and Brand require the same mechanics: never miss skillshots, win lane easily.
Brand has a ton of frontloaded burst and you can usually 1v2 their mid/jungler if they are both <3/4 HP and you are post 6.
Lux just farms from miles away until you have 40% CDR and Deathcap in which case you roam and oneshot bot lane. My only issue with both is the lack of mobility. Lux kind of makes up for it with CC, I suppose. I'm starting to realize there are very few mages with both high burst and mobility. Outside of melee assassins like Akali and Kass (which I refuse to play because I'm horrid at it), there's, what, LeBlanc and Ahri? gragas
I agree with this and if i had to chose in the champions you already have then i'd say Orianna.
Or you can invest 1350 IP and play the real man, tf. Shove, roam and kill.
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On September 06 2012 23:59 Requizen wrote:Which mid should I learn that I own? I don't want to buy another one yet, and I own Kennen, Brand, Lux, and Galio. I guess Annie isn't out of the question since she's more or less free. Mid is just my weak point and I need to be able to play it better if need be. I also have Ori and Viktor, but suck at them pretty hard. Breakdown of how I feel with each currently, spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler +I was thinking Kennen since I like more mobile champs, but I seriously can't figure out how to play the guy. You have good range on Q and autos, but his ult and E need melee and you're squishy, and W isn't super long range either. His burst also feels kind of low, but high teamfight utility if you survive long enough to ult things.
Brand is probably my "best" right now, in that he's very straighforward and has the only goal of hitting as many things as possible with fire. He feels like he falls off pretty hard, though, unless you're really ahead.
I'm decent at Lux and she's fun, but I feel like if you don't get ahead and/or win lane, she's really underwhelming. Good ganking/gank assists, though.
I've only played Galio a couple times. I like his burst and pushing power in lane, but outside of ult I feel like he's kind of useless later on. His damage isn't super high and you're building more tanky anyway, and his utility is ok but not great. Maybe I just need more experience on him.
Brand is someone I really like because I find he is best built unlike most other ap's. You can delay deathcap for a while and pick up items like Grail and DFG and be super usefull while having a boatload of damage. Make sure to prioritize CDR. More spells->more damage->more fun
On September 07 2012 00:09 Keniji wrote:
why is nobody using surge on ad carries? 40% as bonus sounds incredible strong mid/late game. Especially on adc that don't have a as steroid and don't max out the 2.5 as. It doesn't even sound that bad early game. Is ignite that much stronger early that you would lose lane so hard? I don't see how ignite would beat it out mid/late game.
also revive es #1 late game summoner.
I've seen scrims of Orb running Cait with surge and it's pretty beastly. I'm not sure who else you would get it on specifically but I'm thinking corki and sivir?
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On September 07 2012 01:09 qtiehunter wrote:
Sorry for the lack of elaboration of the question but... who is the most snowbally champion? I want to know which champion is seen by most people as the one with highest snowball potential. (inb4 nunu hue hue hue)
Thanks in advance!
I gotta say Darius is one of the most snowbally heroes out there. You can be doing fine vs him but once he gets one kill on you life is extremely miserable and once he gets 2 up on you it's basically gg.
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Gragas too expensive, saving IP for runes and shite.
As far as Ori goes, I just think (in solo queue specifically) "support" mids are less useful than burst and kill mids. And I can't land her combo, I bad.
I have TF. Hm. I never really think about him. He just has such an odd playstyle, like a squishy Shen. You don't really have a lot of damage, but you turn a 2v2 into a 3v2, CC something, and secure a kill. His 1v1 is very underwhelming in my experience, though. And while that's not a huge drawback if you're playing with competent players, I mostly solo or duo. So being able to hold one's own seems important.
@Soul
I've never seen that type of build on Brand before. Are his base damages that good where you can go non-big ticket AP items and do well? Every good Brand I've seen is rush DC and Rylai.
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