EPT[Patch 1.0.0.146: Late August] General Discussion - Page 78
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:22 Requizen wrote: Gragas too expensive, saving IP for runes and shite. As far as Ori goes, I just think (in solo queue specifically) "support" mids are less useful than burst and kill mids. And I can't land her combo, I bad. I have TF. Hm. I never really think about him. He just has such an odd playstyle, like a squishy Shen. You don't really have a lot of damage, but you turn a 2v2 into a 3v2, CC something, and secure a kill. His 1v1 is very underwhelming in my experience, though. And while that's not a huge drawback if you're playing with competent players, I mostly solo or duo. So being able to hold one's own seems important. @Soul I've never seen that type of build on Brand before. Are his base damages that good where you can go non-big ticket AP items and do well? Every good Brand I've seen is rush DC and Rylai. gragas is exactly what you want good burst good mobility roamer | ||
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Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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Lunek
Poland164 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:25 OutlaW- wrote: gragas is exactly what you want good burst good mobility roamer But I've already own more mids than I play T.T Kidding aside, I'll try him out. Last free week was last month, probably won't be up for a while :\ Maybe he'll go on sale. | ||
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SoulSever
Canada779 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:22 Requizen wrote: I have TF. Hm. I never really think about him. He just has such an odd playstyle, like a squishy Shen. You don't really have a lot of damage, but you turn a 2v2 into a 3v2, CC something, and secure a kill. His 1v1 is very underwhelming in my experience, though. And while that's not a huge drawback if you're playing with competent players, I mostly solo or duo. So being able to hold one's own seems important. @Soul I've never seen that type of build on Brand before. Are his base damages that good where you can go non-big ticket AP items and do well? Every good Brand I've seen is rush DC and Rylai. You can also easily incorporate DFG into TF builds giving you immense 1v1 and a bit more damage in ganks. As far as the rise in popularity of Lich Bane first TF I don't know which will give you more presence (tower killing power vs wave clearing and 1v1) . If you play Brand you'll find that you're trying to save mana for fights and have trouble clearing but if you buy chalice-codex you'll have tons more power to shove and roam (bot lane being the favorite because of bounces at enemy tower -> double kills all day). DFG Brand also fits in very nicely with all your front loaded burst. Roaming bot and running into jungler, 1shot him and take dragon is a pretty frequent occurence | ||
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
On September 07 2012 01:22 Requizen wrote: Gragas too expensive, saving IP for runes and shite. As far as Ori goes, I just think (in solo queue specifically) "support" mids are less useful than burst and kill mids. And I can't land her combo, I bad. I have TF. Hm. I never really think about him. He just has such an odd playstyle, like a squishy Shen. You don't really have a lot of damage, but you turn a 2v2 into a 3v2, CC something, and secure a kill. His 1v1 is very underwhelming in my experience, though. And while that's not a huge drawback if you're playing with competent players, I mostly solo or duo. So being able to hold one's own seems important. @Soul I've never seen that type of build on Brand before. Are his base damages that good where you can go non-big ticket AP items and do well? Every good Brand I've seen is rush DC and Rylai. I play a lot of orianna in solo queue lately and it works pretty well. The burst really depends on how you build her, i go chalice-1or 2 dorans into deathcap and you can chunk people really easily. But yeah, you have to control the ball with Q well and it takes some time to get used to it.  She gives a lot of utility and really nice aoe damage, but you're right its not the best 1v1 champ or a fun kill lane but its way better than most of the solo burst champions in teamfights if people dont mess up. TF yeah as you said, you plan on outnumbering people when you gank so i'm quite surprised when you say that it could be bad on solo or duo. It works really well in solo queue because people are often derping or overextending bot lane or top lane. Every time you use your ultimate its a 90% chance kill bot or top. Pre 6 its awesome if your jungler has some high damage or cc, gold card -> kill Sure he is not a terror 1v1 but you're taking advantage of your mobility and i found myself often with 2/0 or 3/0 against the other mid laner, result from the ganks and abusing the fact that i was 1 or 2 items ahead. Oh and lux is awesome, she got froggy's seal of approval too. Lets all kill people with lasers ! | ||
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Zhiroo
Kosovo2724 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
I've been using it lately and it feels like my midgame damage is just through the roof. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
triforce into Bt or vice versa feels like the most solid choice at the moment. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
TF yeah as you said, you plan on outnumbering people when you gank so i'm quite surprised when you say that it could be bad on solo or duo. It works really well in solo queue because people are often derping or overextending bot lane or top lane. Every time you use your ultimate its a 90% chance kill bot or top. Pre 6 its awesome if your jungler has some high damage or cc, gold card -> kill Sure he is not a terror 1v1 but you're taking advantage of your mobility and i found myself often with 2/0 or 3/0 against the other mid laner, result from the ganks and abusing the fact that i was 1 or 2 items ahead. I'm just a bit jaded about solo queue. You wouldn't believe the number of times I'm playing jungle Naut, walk into a gank or teamfight, lay down all my CC, and then no one follows it up despite pings and chat. Hence why I try to play champs that can subsist by themselves even if the teammates are derps. Nunu's an exception because, fuck, when you win lane that hard it's difficult to lose. So I'm a bit wary of playing "coming in, follow up my Gold with damage", when historically, it ends up with I put up CC and a clear win -> my teammates walk away for no real reason. Bleh. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:05 AsnSensation wrote: Id really only get it if you are significantly behind and need some dmg more midgame objective fights. triforce into Bt or vice versa feels like the most solid choice at the moment. This. LW is a reactionary item. If the other team isn't stacking Armor, you're better off with a BF Sword item for more deeps. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Only to end up playing mid vs Swain 3 of 4 times. What is this shit? | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:08 Requizen wrote: I'm just a bit jaded about solo queue. You wouldn't believe the number of times I'm playing jungle Naut, walk into a gank or teamfight, lay down all my CC, and then no one follows it up despite pings and chat. Hence why I try to play champs that can subsist by themselves even if the teammates are derps. I've found games work a lot better when you jungle and just make good calls early and never rage at your team. You can say things like "there's 2 coming bot" if you have good map sense even if there are no wards and if they actually show up then your team thinks "hey this guy knows what he's doing." When they die to the gank that you saw coming, just say "hey next time listen to me k" and they'll start just blindly following you. Whenever I do that in a game my team always follows me to dragon; top rotates down when i tell him "shove lane to tower and come down for dragon in 2 mins"; teams go for global objectives instead of chasing for kills; and whenever I initiate a teamfight they just follow through. On the other hand, if you initiate a bad teamfight because your team was dumb and didn't group up in time, that's your fault. Even if you see a 5v4 because someone is elsewhere on the map and it would be a good idea to teamfight, if your ad carry decides to go farm wraiths, then don't force the engage. If you do, then they lose all trust in you even though you made the right call, because bad players never accept they're bad. If your team thinks its your fault for initiating a bad teamfight, then it IS your fault. I've had plenty of games where I thought I made the right call but my team wasn't there because low elo is derpy and I think "fuck my team sucks" Then I watch the replay and I realize I just made a poor call because I used incorrect assumptions about how our team would converge etc. | ||
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Badboyrune
Sweden2247 Posts
On August 30 2012 10:19 zulu_nation8 wrote: the ez w range nerf is pretty big but hes still the same more or less. Gragas body slam nerf too big imo. Rest is whatever, skarner shouldve been nerfed. Graves nerfs not needed. I wonder if people will stop playing ez now that they actually have to sort of aim with w and cant fire it blindly in a vaguely correct direction and always hit | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:10 NeoIllusions wrote: This. LW is a reactionary item. If the other team isn't stacking Armor, you're better off with a BF Sword item for more deeps. Oh okay. Thanks for the tips! Also, is there a way to turn on Smartcast Range Indicators but still have it release the spell when i press the key, not release the key? I keep not firing skillshots because I click to move again before I release and it feels really weird. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:20 VirgilSC2 wrote: Oh okay. Thanks for the tips! Also, is there a way to turn on Smartcast Range Indicators but still have it release the spell when i press the key, not release the key? I keep not firing skillshots because I click to move again before I release and it feels really weird. Like having a circle on at all times? That would be impossible, or really cluttered but it's not possible afaik. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 07 2012 02:22 JackDino wrote: Like having a circle on at all times? That would be impossible, or really cluttered but it's not possible afaik. I didn't think so, but thought I'd ask anyway. Still trying to get used to smartcasting, it's improved my Ez play a lot but some of my other champs are a lot weaker now because I'm missing more than I used to. | ||
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