EPTDiamondprox ghosted me in ESL-Cup - Page 2
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TripleEchoMending
United States2 Posts
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martenJ
Germany8 Posts
http://www.esl.eu/eu/hearthstone/1on1/beta_cup6/player/6020652/ more shady stuff :/ | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
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asaed
United States1412 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
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ReketSomething
United States6012 Posts
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GrimZeRo
United States113 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:30 ReketSomething wrote: Fault of all 4 parties. MartenJ for streaming, DiamondProx for streamcheating, reddit for always closing threads without paying attention/reading it and ESL for not giving a fuck that someone cheated. its not like he used maphack tho, why would ESL have to react when he can just not stream next time pretty terrible from superior moba gamer tho | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:24 TheDna wrote: Its crazy that people here are suggesting that its his fault for streaming. Also its hardly whining when you have hard evidence as in a screenshot that someone is streamcheating.. I definitely think its ESL responsibility if there is evidence like in this case to take action against the person. I mean ESL sc2 cups were streamed live for a very long time.. Suggesting that its the streamers fault that people are cheating is blowing my mind. Behaviour like this is almost advertising that streamcheating is totally ok.. Because if there is no penality for ghosting in ESL cups it sends the message to kids that it is a valid option. I can already see them arguing "even a LoL pro is doing it, and ESL said its ok".. I thought this thread would die quickly, cause streaming without significant delay (15min or so) in such an enviroment is imo stupid. Also in general there is no way to proof ghosting (except when he delivers it himself lol). Calling it cheating is just wrong, why should someone not look when its 1 click away? Imo the best solution for such events would be to start 15min before the official (announced) time and use this time as delay. Make this a standard, so every player knows about it. I guess that kills viewer interaction though, but you cant have everything. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:43 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Calling it cheating is just wrong, why should someone not look when its 1 click away? This is your argument? You do know a lot of cheats in games are just a click away? | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:42 teddyoojo wrote: its not like he used maphack tho, why would ESL have to react when he can just not stream next time pretty terrible from superior moba gamer tho Its exactly like using maphack. There is no difference, just in the risk of getting caught.. Cheating is cheating, there is no difference. Cheating should be always punished the exactly same way specially if there is evidence like this. I think the suggestion to email his sponsor is very good. That will hopefully have some consequences for this scumbag. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:46 willoc wrote: This is your argument? You do know a lot of cheats in games are just a click away? Idk, i just consider streaming something = to make something public. When i play rock paper scissor i wouldnt blame my opponent for winning when i would announce every move i make. (hm, maybe not a good example) | ||
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SOB_Maj_Brian
United States522 Posts
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:55 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: The guy may not be a "cheater", but he certainly is a liar (he lied about looking at the stream), and it certainly was unsportsmanlike. That's an assumption. He never denied he had the stream on. He just said he wasn't watching it. Also there's no evidence he cheated. The rules didn't say he couldn't have the stream of an opponent open, and that's all the screenshot proves. That he has the stream open. So marten lost fair and square, diamond didnt break any rules. If the rules aren't what you feel they -should- be you either don't play the tourney or man the fuck up. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:55 gingerfluffmuff wrote: Idk, i just consider streaming something = to make something public. When i play rock paper scissor i wouldnt blame my opponent for winning when i would announce every move i make. (hm, maybe not a good example) You have a very weird view. The sc2 go4 cups were streamed live or with short delay for a very long time.. Looking at them if you are a part of them was obviously always considered cheating. Its the same for any tournament that was getting streamed or casted. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On December 04 2013 04:07 Schwopzi wrote: That's an assumption. He never denied he had the stream on. He just said he wasn't watching it. Also there's no evidence he cheated. The rules didn't say he couldn't have the stream of an opponent open, and that's all the screenshot proves. That he has the stream open. So marten lost fair and square, diamond didnt break any rules. If the rules aren't what you feel they -should- be you either don't play the tourney or man the fuck up. lmao | ||
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wizard`
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Gr33d
Germany423 Posts
On December 04 2013 03:54 TheDna wrote: Its exactly like using maphack. There is no difference, just in the risk of getting caught.. Cheating is cheating, there is no difference. Cheating should be always punished the exactly same way specially if there is evidence like this. I think the suggestion to email his sponsor is very good. That will hopefully have some consequences for this scumbag. No its not "exactly like using maphack". With maphack you get an unfair benefit because you use / alter the gamecode in an unintended (and forbidden!) way while the opponent plays normal. What happened is more like martenJ put his buildorder prematch on Stream, while not even forced to stream, and then raged like a kid because his cannonrush get countered. NOBODY is forced to stream any of the matches and nobody forced him to use such a low delay. Complaining after such a thing happens is just stupid, especially if there are other points like "Oooh he changed his nickname! So shady!" and "They don't want my drama on reddit, lets post it here!" Is it good sportsmanship to use the stream of an opponent? No. But whoever is so stupid to give away vital match information does not deserve it better. But who knows, maybe thats even good for martenJ, seems like he wants the attention to get a few more viewers on his stream. | ||
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