EPTDiamondprox ghosted me in ESL-Cup - Page 10
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On December 11 2013 00:55 The_Unseen wrote: You forgot the part about Diamond getting his cock sucked dry by hundreds of fanboys on Reddit when he brushed the evidence away by saying "I was just trolling lololo xD^^" Just because I wanted to keep it g-rated. | ||
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Pharcyd3
United States90 Posts
"You're not wrong, you're (diamond) just an asshole" | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On December 10 2013 20:27 UglyBastard wrote: So there we have it. He just pretended to watch your stream to make you mad. And looks like he succeeded. I guess that wraps up the whole deal, he wasn't ghosting you but just making a joke. It would be time for martenJ to apologize now, but somehow I think that won't happen. Holy shit! That was very conclusive proof. Dude is still a piece of shit and there is still no proof that he didn't cheat. GG. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On December 11 2013 03:38 willoc wrote: Holy shit! That was very conclusive proof. Dude is still a piece of shit and there is still no proof that he didn't cheat. GG. Without trying to defend Diamond (dick move at the very least, and his "response" shows he is an ass) shouldn't that burden be on Martens instead? In doubt for the defendant etc.? Frankly I don't know nearly enough about hearthstone to say if someone is cheating or not (or even if cheating makes sense in this game, my total exposure has been about 30 minutes watching some people play during queues) but Martens post didn't include much evidence beyond a screenshot. He didn't list suspicious plays "he played XY card which was completely dumb unless he knew that I didn't have YZ ready to counter it". Anyway, seems the entire mess can be summed up with "Diamond behaved like an ass at the very least". | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On December 10 2013 20:35 UglyBastard wrote: No he should apologize for public name calling and suggesting that diamondprox would "cheat". That is really bad sportsmanship by martenJ, and now that his opponent revealed the truth about the incident (he was not actually watching the stream, just had it open and pretended to do it to make a joke) it would be the right time to show some humility. Thats so funny to read. So, I did some bad shit, some friends took a picture of it. And when it gets leakd i just say "hahah u idiots, it was just setup to prank you[into believing it is true, which it is but i will just say it isnt which is the prank!..], ha! got you!" ?? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 11 2013 00:42 grs wrote: It's not really that complicated, is it? Diamonprox cheated by ghosting and makes up a funny story how he was not cheating afterwards. You risk ghosting if you stream with no/too low delay, so don't do it. Still the cheater is to blame, not the victim. What is there to discuss? This thread is (or perhaps never wasn't) about more than just the act of cheating. Regarding what actually happened, things are fairly straightforwards. Barring specific very low probability edge cases for scenarios like this, we can state with decent certainty that either A) there was stream-cheating, or in a substantially less likely but still plausible event, B) there was an attempt to appear to be stream-cheating. What does that mean for us? Well, we should be more suspicious of Diamondprox in the future. When we evaluate his actions going forward we should take into account the fact that he either stream-cheated or went to great effort to appear to be doing so. We update our prior assumptions based on this new evidence. Where the crux of the issue lies, here and in other threads, is that this isn't about how we update our beliefs or how we should interpret new evidence going forward. It has to do with sides, and politics. Are you a MartinJ supporter or a Diamondprox supporter? Whose side are you on? After all, politics is war and arguments are soldiers. Accepting the possibility that the other side is right, or trying to evaluate things evenhandedly, is like stabbing your soldiers in the back-- providing aid and comfort to the enemy. People come to identify with a side in an argument, and this clouds their judgement. Although many people are not super invested and just come here to read this thread, there are plenty of people who are not here to be convinced. I don't really know either of these guys, and it seems that neither do you-- but imagine for example that Diamondprox was your friend, or perhaps you're just a fan of his. You identify with him, you think of his actions in a positive light. When someone's a dick to you, they're a dick, but when you're a dick to someone else, you're having fun. By the same token, when Diamondprox does something bad, it's a lot easier to say "he didn't do anything bad" or to say "instead of weighing the high possibility he's lying, or even the non-zero possibility he's lying, I'm going to assume he's completely truthful". Updating your view of someone based on new evidence is difficult; rejecting new evidence is easy. As you said, the moral of the story is that Diamondprox is almost certainly a dick, and streaming without delay is a profoundly bad risk to take. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:18 Tula wrote: Without trying to defend Diamond (dick move at the very least, and his "response" shows he is an ass) shouldn't that burden be on Martens instead? In doubt for the defendant etc.? Frankly I don't know nearly enough about hearthstone to say if someone is cheating or not (or even if cheating makes sense in this game, my total exposure has been about 30 minutes watching some people play during queues) but Martens post didn't include much evidence beyond a screenshot. He didn't list suspicious plays "he played XY card which was completely dumb unless he knew that I didn't have YZ ready to counter it". Anyway, seems the entire mess can be summed up with "Diamond behaved like an ass at the very least". I agree with you here, but I also think that enough proof was provided by the OP to show that Diamond did something that was a dick move. It's important to recognize what you're shooting for here. In this case, nothing can be done about the tournament, that's all there is to it. OP is trying to inform us of a high profile player doing something that isn't cool. He has evidence that while might not show conclusively what happened, shows enough that we can make a pretty informed opinion on Diamond's character. Diamond was even given the opportunity to respond and did it in a way that showed he clearly didn't have any respect for the allegations brought up anyway. That shows a disrespect for competition, and that is what I personally have the biggest problem with. Take what you will from it. Personally I'm more insulted by the defenders of his actions trying to bully the OP further than anything else, but wont be supporting Diamond in any way from this point forward. If I have the opportunity, I'll likely be buying from the competitors of his team's sponsors. | ||
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woodszilla
United States64 Posts
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arb
Noobville17920 Posts
l0l suck it the fuck up yo. | ||
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