[Poll] Dog vs. Human - Page 47

On July 22 2012 06:50 Staboteur wrote:
More of a mental thing for the person than a physical thing. I think in a lot of situations a dog's natural reaction to danger is aggression, whereas most people are more inclined to solve a problem through other means, because this is how we've learned to deal with conflict as kids. If the person already knows that the danger is VERY REAL and the dog WILL kill them if given the chance, then I'd favour the person. Otherwise I feel the likely case would be that the person would attempt to diffuse or disable the danger, rather than eradicate it. Personally, I'd probably die to a 80lb dog because I wouldn't "believe" the danger was actually real and would have any defensive killer instinct supressed until it was already too late

Remove the sense of morality and I think your average 25 year old male should beat the dog more often than not.

On May 25 2008 12:19 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Alright, a few people from irc and I were talking, and we started, for some reason, debating whether or not a human could win in a fight 'to the death' against a dog.

For the sake of accuracy, I will present a specific situation for the poll.

You and a German Sheppard are put into a regular sized room and you must fight until one of you dies. The dog will immediately attack you (once released) and it will be set on killing you. You have no weapons, and are wearing no protective clothing, just regular street clothes. You can't use anything that isn't part of you as a weapon. Given this situation, who do you think would win the fight?


Poll: Dog or Human?
(Vote): Dog wins
(Vote): Person wins

Feel free to discuss your views in the thread.

Edit: sorry.

On July 22 2012 06:52 mikedebo wrote:
lol I just remembered something that my wing chun sifu did in our class once, a long time ago

Some guy in the class asked a similar question to this -- like, if dude X fought a pit bull, who would win. Sifu listens to everyone joke around for a bit, and then he says "I have a story."

He talks about this guy who in the 1800s was China's best kung-fu fighter, he won every tournament he fought etc. Eventually, he decides that people are boring to fight, and so he's going to move onto animals. The first animal he picks is an old lion at the local zoo. He promises the zookeepers that he won't hurt it too badly, because it's so old.

Kung fu dude gets into the cage and waits for the lion to charge. It charges; he moves to punch it, and the lion swipes his head off with one claw.

One guy in our class asked "Sifu, what's the point? We weren't talking about lions, we were talking about dogs."

And sifu answered "Animals don't fight like men. Men don't fight like animals."

On July 22 2012 05:36 cz wrote:


Problem is that choking the dog requires you to put your neck near its teeth.

On July 22 2012 07:12 autoexec wrote:
Alright, we need this settled.

Which TLer is willing to risk their lives and kill their pet?

On July 22 2012 05:11 the p00n wrote:


I'm pretty sure you don't actually feel pain in such circumstances. I was involved in a severe car crash with my little brother and had my biceps tore off, shoulder dislocated and collarbone broken all in the same few seconds and walked it off like a boss, carrying my little brother out of the car (who, for the record, only had a badly bruised wrist). I think it took a full 2-ish minutes before I actually felt pain. That's not because I'm a bad-ass, that is because that is how your body works. When you go skydiving you are actually instructed to stay down on the ground if something goes wrong, because the adrenaline makes you virtually impervious to physical pain. I used to work as a first aid at a skydiving company and although nearly nothing ever went wrong in the years that I worked there, one time that was the case and the person hit the ground at an extremely high velocity. She just stood up like a boss, looking around confused and walked towards us, and that was with pretty much her whole lowerbody shattered (and she also had one broken wrist, broken humerus, broken ribs, broken pelvic bone, slipped discs and other stuff I fail to remember).

If you really think you are going to feel pain, you are most likely wrong. It can be compared to someone who pulls hair or scratches with nails in a fight - yes it may be unpleasant, but that's all there is to it. It is not dangerous at all. The dog can bite all the way through your arm, it doesn't actually matter right at that second (obv. blood loss/trauma is a problem later on). Keep him away from vital parts of your body and you cannot lose.

On July 22 2012 08:12 Ohyra wrote:


You do not think that the same principle applies for dogs?
EDIT: Had a friend who lost his pitbull about 3 weeks ago, thanks to it getting into a dogfight. The other dog owner actually just stomped the head of the pit, several times, until he got it to loosen it's grip of the other dog. The pitbull behaved just as it used to, until about 8 days after the incident, when it got some kind of sesiure and collapsed on the floor and died shortly after.

On July 22 2012 08:29 kill619 wrote:


I think the problem with assuming that the dog will win because he has just as much adrenaline as a human is that, unless the first bite is a fatal one, its just leave the human to do what ever he wants with what ever limbs the dog isn't attached to.
If you got bit in the arm and had enough adrenaline to keep your cool you would just proceed to punch, knee, elbow, stomp etc. the dog until its unconscious. The dogs adrenaline won't matter as much as how many blows to the head he can take before dead or knocked out vs how long the human can stand being bitten.

On July 22 2012 08:29 kill619 wrote:


I think the problem with assuming that the dog will win because he has just as much adrenaline as a human is that, unless the first bite is a fatal one, its just leave the human to do what ever he wants with what ever limbs the dog isn't attached to.
If you got bit in the arm and had enough adrenaline to keep your cool you would just proceed to punch, knee, elbow, stomp etc. the dog until its unconscious. The dogs adrenaline won't matter as much as how many blows to the head he can take before dead or knocked out vs how long the human can stand being bitten.

On July 22 2012 07:22 sunprince wrote:


That's because kung fu is bullshit.

By contrast, any real trained fighter can recognize the distinct similarities in fighting styles of animals such as grizzly bears or gorillas and legitimate grappling arts such as wrestling, BJJ, and judo.

On July 22 2012 08:54 Al Bundy wrote:

German shepherd biting your arm off is kind of a serious deal. Executing moves such as the ones you described is not that easy when a 40kg ferocious dog set to kill is shredding your limb. You might not be able to keep your cool in that situation.

On July 22 2012 01:17 JamesArk wrote:
Greatly depends on the size/breed of the dog. I think any athletic breed over 100 pounds would chew the shit out of 99% of people, unless you get lucky and kick it in the head before it closes the distance.



I dunno man, that would have to be some awfully fast back taking and even then you'd have to get both hooks in between a scrambling dog's legs or it would just flail and turn out. I think a guillotine would be possible if you threw yourself on top of it but I still wouldn't want to get close enough to an angry dog to find out.

I also think everyone greatly overestimates their ability to kill an adrenaline-pumping animal with a super-powered jaw.

Kick it when it's coming in, maybe try to get a knee off when it's close - after that you're just food.

On July 22 2012 09:00 Ohyra wrote:
All this talk about rear naked chokes.. have you ever held a dog in that position before? I can say from personal experience that they are like crocodiles. They will snap at your face, and they will hit it, even if you choke them from behind.