On July 21 2012 20:49 Liquid`Drone wrote: i don't think people realize how incredibly tough dogs are a german shepherd is very similar (granted, smaller) to this:
personally, I happen to be both bigger, stronger and better at fighting than the average human, but I would not want to fight a bison. especially the technique of like, "kicking the dog until it dies" or whatever, that's not gonna work, a kick towards a charging dog is not gonna hurt it in a significant way. you will end up wrestling with it and the dog will inflict serious bite wounds.
that being said I still think I'd win, and I think any person tough enough to deal with the pain of meat being torn from his flesh while smart enough to break the dog's legs (only reasonably scrawny part they have), would win.
A tired, wounded bison's feeble last attempt at living doesn't isnt nearly the same as a healthy bison's full-on charge. Since you know about fighting, you would know that adrenaline is really good at ignoring pain.
On July 21 2012 20:52 Killmo wrote: This is insane. Let me put this in perspective for some of you people who think you could win a fight against a dog. I used to have a bloodhound who weight a hair under one hundred pounds. He was the aggressive type when it came to food. He would never try to kill me, but he would chomp the hell out of me whenever I got too close to him while he was pissed off. He and I got in at least seven fights over his life.
Now for the part that is more relevant. I am 6' 4" and was 300 LBs at the time. I lost every single one of the fights. If he had at any point wanted to kill me I would have had less than a 1% chance of stopping him. I have taken some classes and I know how to fight properly. I am by no mean pro, but I am much bigger, stronger, and well versed in fighting than an average person. Even with all of these advantages I was never a match.
So you had a large dog that you could barely handle and who was fighting/attack you ? Gratulations... thats really an achievment ... I have had 5 or 6 dos in my life time 2 of them I dug personally into the ground in winter when the floor was frozen solid to give them a propper burrial when they died of old age, but you sir seem unfit to handle a dog and you are a danger to yourself and to your surrounding if this what you are writing here is true !
Ah... You missed the point of the story. I am not good at raising dogs. I never said I was. I am contributing to the debate by adding in my experience. You are instead judging people for something completely unrelated to the discussion.
On July 21 2012 20:52 Killmo wrote: This is insane. Let me put this in perspective for some of you people who think you could win a fight against a dog. I used to have a bloodhound who weight a hair under one hundred pounds. He was the aggressive type when it came to food. He would never try to kill me, but he would chomp the hell out of me whenever I got too close to him while he was pissed off. He and I got in at least seven fights over his life.
Now for the part that is more relevant. I am 6' 4" and was 300 LBs at the time. I lost every single one of the fights. If he had at any point wanted to kill me I would have had less than a 1% chance of stopping him. I have taken some classes and I know how to fight properly. I am by no mean pro, but I am much bigger, stronger, and well versed in fighting than an average person. Even with all of these advantages I was never a match.
So you had a large dog that you could barely handle and who was fighting/attack you ? Gratulations... thats really an achievment ... I have had 5 or 6 dos in my life time 2 of them I dug personally into the ground in winter when the floor was frozen solid to give them a propper burrial when they died of old age, but you sir seem unfit to handle a dog and you are a danger to yourself and to your surrounding if this what you are writing here is true !
Ah... You missed the point of the story. I am not good at raising dogs. I never said I was. I am contributing to the debate by adding in my experience. You are instead judging people for something completely unrelated to the discussion.
Judgement aside, your fights are hardly life or death. You didn't include enough detail either about how you fought either.
On July 21 2012 20:52 Killmo wrote: This is insane. Let me put this in perspective for some of you people who think you could win a fight against a dog. I used to have a bloodhound who weight a hair under one hundred pounds. He was the aggressive type when it came to food. He would never try to kill me, but he would chomp the hell out of me whenever I got too close to him while he was pissed off. He and I got in at least seven fights over his life.
Now for the part that is more relevant. I am 6' 4" and was 300 LBs at the time. I lost every single one of the fights. If he had at any point wanted to kill me I would have had less than a 1% chance of stopping him. I have taken some classes and I know how to fight properly. I am by no mean pro, but I am much bigger, stronger, and well versed in fighting than an average person. Even with all of these advantages I was never a match.
So you had a large dog that you could barely handle and who was fighting/attack you ? Gratulations... thats really an achievment ... I have had 5 or 6 dos in my life time 2 of them I dug personally into the ground in winter when the floor was frozen solid to give them a propper burrial when they died of old age, but you sir seem unfit to handle a dog and you are a danger to yourself and to your surrounding if this what you are writing here is true !
Ah... You missed the point of the story. I am not good at raising dogs. I never said I was. I am contributing to the debate by adding in my experience. You are instead judging people for something completely unrelated to the discussion.
Judgement aside, your fights are hardly life or death. You didn't include enough detail either about how you fought either.
We fought in a way similar to what the poll describes. It was just me and him (Or him and someone else. Nobody ever won.). I had no weapons most of the time. I would punch and kick him as hard as I could, which didn't phase him.
We used to give him bones about as thick as anything a human has. He would have the bones splintered within one chomp. I was ready for most of the fights, too. I would realize that he wouldn't be happy about me being there and face him for when he would attack me. Even then I had nothing on him.
One more thing I should add to the people saying they could take on a dog. I will use an analogy most of us here will understand. Most of us know how to play a very good game of Starcraft 2. We know how to react to what and when timings hit etc. But when we are actually in a game. We miss injects and engage in stupid positions and make one thousand other obvious mistakes.
The exact same thing happens in a fight with a dog. The only difference is that it is a lot more intense than a game of Starcraft 2. It is hard to know precisely what to do when you're the one in the situation.
On July 21 2012 21:04 sluggaslamoo wrote: Wow I just made a post saying how kicking a dog makes no difference, and every post after that says kick the dog rofl.
Seriously though, my area has a lot of stray dogs, and I have specifically done research on how I can defend myself if attacked. People who train dogs seem to agree that an unarmed (even trained) human has 0 chance against a trained dog. This is because dogs are several times faster that a human, and a trained dog knows where to attack and will immediately throw the human off-balance. If the dog is untrained, it will usually instinctively grab the closest limb which it sees moving. So, if you wrap your arm in some thick fabric, and put it in front of you, the dog will bite on that, and hopefully you'll be able to get on top of the dog and crush it with your knees and elbows.
A lot of ppl in this thread seem to be rether over-confident about their chances vs a dog.
I really doubt that all the training a dog could have would give it any chance vs a massive sweeping kick to the body. Dog has no chance.
It won't receive any massive sweeping kicks to its body. Try to deliver a massive sweeping kick to a body of a human - is the guy just going to stand around waiting for your kick to land?
No, he's going to block with one of his four limbs.
You don't block a kick rofl, you parry it at most.
I'll humor you and ignore that a parry is a type of block.
On July 21 2012 20:59 DannyJ wrote: People saying they'd just kick the dog I don't think understand how wolves / an insanely pissed off GS would attack you. It's not like they walk up like a boxer and size you up. They fucking charge and tackle you. You'd have to be one hell of an MMA expert to time a kick to meet this thing:
That video isn't relevant, the dogs purpose is to incapacitate the human for apprehension. Without the cops present the human would easily win from the ground. But there's not really any timing involved, you simply need to place a limb in the way of your throat or groin and it simply can't kill you.
Im confused. Why can it simply not kill you? It can only bite you in those 2 spots and if it can't see them it just won't do anything?
On July 21 2012 20:59 DannyJ wrote: People saying they'd just kick the dog I don't think understand how wolves / an insanely pissed off GS would attack you. It's not like they walk up like a boxer and size you up. They fucking charge and tackle you. You'd have to be one hell of an MMA expert to time a kick to meet this thing:
That video isn't relevant, the dogs purpose is to incapacitate the human for apprehension. Without the cops present the human would easily win from the ground. But there's not really any timing involved, you simply need to place a limb in the way of your throat or groin and it simply can't kill you.
Im confused. Why can it simply not kill you? It can only bite you in those 2 spots and if it can't see them it just won't do anything?
If it latches onto your arm its over. Pin it to the ground and kill it. You'll have a nasty bite, but you'll win.
On July 21 2012 20:52 Killmo wrote: This is insane. Let me put this in perspective for some of you people who think you could win a fight against a dog. I used to have a bloodhound who weight a hair under one hundred pounds. He was the aggressive type when it came to food. He would never try to kill me, but he would chomp the hell out of me whenever I got too close to him while he was pissed off. He and I got in at least seven fights over his life.
Now for the part that is more relevant. I am 6' 4" and was 300 LBs at the time. I lost every single one of the fights. If he had at any point wanted to kill me I would have had less than a 1% chance of stopping him. I have taken some classes and I know how to fight properly. I am by no mean pro, but I am much bigger, stronger, and well versed in fighting than an average person. Even with all of these advantages I was never a match.
So you had a large dog that you could barely handle and who was fighting/attack you ? Gratulations... thats really an achievment ... I have had 5 or 6 dos in my life time 2 of them I dug personally into the ground in winter when the floor was frozen solid to give them a propper burrial when they died of old age, but you sir seem unfit to handle a dog and you are a danger to yourself and to your surrounding if this what you are writing here is true !
Ah... You missed the point of the story. I am not good at raising dogs. I never said I was. I am contributing to the debate by adding in my experience. You are instead judging people for something completely unrelated to the discussion.
On July 21 2012 21:04 sluggaslamoo wrote: Wow I just made a post saying how kicking a dog makes no difference, and every post after that says kick the dog rofl.
On July 21 2012 20:59 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
On July 21 2012 20:47 PanzerPony wrote:
On July 21 2012 20:36 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 21 2012 20:33 PanzerPony wrote: Here's what professionals think about it:
Seriously though, my area has a lot of stray dogs, and I have specifically done research on how I can defend myself if attacked. People who train dogs seem to agree that an unarmed (even trained) human has 0 chance against a trained dog. This is because dogs are several times faster that a human, and a trained dog knows where to attack and will immediately throw the human off-balance. If the dog is untrained, it will usually instinctively grab the closest limb which it sees moving. So, if you wrap your arm in some thick fabric, and put it in front of you, the dog will bite on that, and hopefully you'll be able to get on top of the dog and crush it with your knees and elbows.
A lot of ppl in this thread seem to be rether over-confident about their chances vs a dog.
I really doubt that all the training a dog could have would give it any chance vs a massive sweeping kick to the body. Dog has no chance.
It won't receive any massive sweeping kicks to its body. Try to deliver a massive sweeping kick to a body of a human - is the guy just going to stand around waiting for your kick to land?
No, he's going to block with one of his four limbs.
You don't block a kick rofl, you parry it at most.
I'll humor you and ignore that a parry is a type of block.
Where does he say a parry is a block? I can't be bothered watching the whole vod.
Also in muay thai you condition your shins by repeatedly kicking hard objects until it gets stronger. An average person cannot do that kind of block. Do that against someone who does muay thai and your shins will snap in half.
In muay thai you also kick with your shins rather than your ankle because it does more damage. You often see peoples legs snap in half from those types of kicks. The only time you use your ankle is to try and hit thigh or above or put the other player off balance. The reason they don't teach this in other martial arts is because they don't teach shin conditioning.
Also in the second half of the vid he teaches how to counter by simply avoiding the kick which was what I was implying. Most martial arts teach you to simply avoid the attack or parry it, not block it.
Dog would win easily. If the dogs intention is to kill (and eat) it wont simply latches on to your arm and hold on. It would behave like the wild dogs in africa who completely shred a body to pieces. Noone here would think a man could win a fight against a tiger or something similar, a well trained german shepard is quiet similar in strengt to a tiger i think.
On July 21 2012 20:52 Killmo wrote: This is insane. Let me put this in perspective for some of you people who think you could win a fight against a dog. I used to have a bloodhound who weight a hair under one hundred pounds. He was the aggressive type when it came to food. He would never try to kill me, but he would chomp the hell out of me whenever I got too close to him while he was pissed off. He and I got in at least seven fights over his life.
Now for the part that is more relevant. I am 6' 4" and was 300 LBs at the time. I lost every single one of the fights. If he had at any point wanted to kill me I would have had less than a 1% chance of stopping him. I have taken some classes and I know how to fight properly. I am by no mean pro, but I am much bigger, stronger, and well versed in fighting than an average person. Even with all of these advantages I was never a match.
So you had a large dog that you could barely handle and who was fighting/attack you ? Gratulations... thats really an achievment ... I have had 5 or 6 dos in my life time 2 of them I dug personally into the ground in winter when the floor was frozen solid to give them a propper burrial when they died of old age, but you sir seem unfit to handle a dog and you are a danger to yourself and to your surrounding if this what you are writing here is true !
Ah... You missed the point of the story. I am not good at raising dogs. I never said I was. I am contributing to the debate by adding in my experience. You are instead judging people for something completely unrelated to the discussion.
Key word.
It is indeed the keyword. The moral of the story is that somebody who weighs three times what the dog does cannot generally beat a dog in a fight.
On July 21 2012 21:42 Rassy wrote: Noone here would think a man could win a fight against a tiger or something similar, a well trained german shepard is quiet similar in strengt to a tiger i think.
Dude, a tiger is considerabily larger than your average person and haven't been domesticated for centuries. There's no comparison, it's the largest canivore just after the big bear breeds. :-P
On July 21 2012 21:42 Rassy wrote: Dog would win easily. If the dogs intention is to kill (and eat) it wont simply latches on to your arm and hold on. It would behave like the wild dogs in africa who completely shred a body to pieces. Noone here would think a man could win a fight against a tiger or something similar, a well trained german shepard is quiet similar in strengt to a tiger i think.
Jesus what kind of German Shepherds do you have in the netherlands...
Good thing it's a german shepherd they have pretty long necks. I'd offer up a leg and hope he bites it. I'd then go for a guillotine or d' arce (without "front leg" trap, lol) choke.
On July 21 2012 21:04 sluggaslamoo wrote: Wow I just made a post saying how kicking a dog makes no difference, and every post after that says kick the dog rofl.
On July 21 2012 20:59 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
On July 21 2012 20:47 PanzerPony wrote:
On July 21 2012 20:36 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 21 2012 20:33 PanzerPony wrote: Here's what professionals think about it:
Seriously though, my area has a lot of stray dogs, and I have specifically done research on how I can defend myself if attacked. People who train dogs seem to agree that an unarmed (even trained) human has 0 chance against a trained dog. This is because dogs are several times faster that a human, and a trained dog knows where to attack and will immediately throw the human off-balance. If the dog is untrained, it will usually instinctively grab the closest limb which it sees moving. So, if you wrap your arm in some thick fabric, and put it in front of you, the dog will bite on that, and hopefully you'll be able to get on top of the dog and crush it with your knees and elbows.
A lot of ppl in this thread seem to be rether over-confident about their chances vs a dog.
I really doubt that all the training a dog could have would give it any chance vs a massive sweeping kick to the body. Dog has no chance.
It won't receive any massive sweeping kicks to its body. Try to deliver a massive sweeping kick to a body of a human - is the guy just going to stand around waiting for your kick to land?
No, he's going to block with one of his four limbs.
You don't block a kick rofl, you parry it at most.
I'll humor you and ignore that a parry is a type of block.
Where does he say a parry is a block? I can't be bothered watching the whole vod.
Also in muay thai you condition your shins by repeatedly kicking hard objects until it gets stronger. An average person cannot do that kind of block. Do that against someone who does muay thai and your shins will snap in half.
In muay thai you also kick with your shins rather than your ankle because it does more damage. You often see peoples legs snap in half from those types of kicks. The only time you use your ankle is to try and hit thigh or above or put the other player off balance. The reason they don't teach this in other martial arts is because they don't teach shin conditioning.
Also in the second half of the vid he teaches how to counter by simply avoiding the kick which was what I was implying. Most martial arts teach you to simply avoid the attack or parry it, not block it.
You have got to be kidding me. It doesn't say in the video that a parry is a block. I said "I'll humor you and ignore that a parry is a type of block." Then I posted a video demonstrating a martial arts technique in which a man is blocking a kick without parrying. It doesn't freaking matter if its uncommon it completely invalidates what you said. Then you ramble on about a bunch of random facts completely unrelated. You often see legs snap in half from those types of kicks. REALLY? OMG SHOCKER!!!!! Perhaps it's because they're being BLOCKED.
I give the average human about a 1/10 chance to win if it is a large man, small man, woman or child no chance. If the dog gets you off-balance you are just dead. It will go for the face or throat and it is over. Only way to win is if you can somehow get the dog pinned down and break its neck by pulling its head back hard, or crushing the skull or neck. But this will take some serious agility, speed and strength, because the dog will snap at anything and your body will be very close...Kicking won't do a damn thing...
... I wonder if people who voted that the human wins have actually seen a german shepherd on its hind legs.
On July 21 2012 21:42 Rassy wrote: Dog would win easily. If the dogs intention is to kill (and eat) it wont simply latches on to your arm and hold on. It would behave like the wild dogs in africa who completely shred a body to pieces. Noone here would think a man could win a fight against a tiger or something similar, a well trained german shepard is quiet similar in strengt to a tiger i think.
Jesus what kind of German Shepherds do you have in the netherlands...
LOL hahahaha.
I think....a big adult who knows how to handle dogs would have a chance. Hard to say actually. The raw physicality and instinct of a dog, I feel, would probably overwhelm your typical adult. If the human were able to understand that it's a life-or-death situation and were prepared for the attack, then I would give him (I don't think a typical woman would stand too much of a chance) an okay shot. Of course being physically ok would matter a lot as well. This is all assuming it's a big dog that's willing to kill. :x
On July 21 2012 21:42 Rassy wrote: Dog would win easily. If the dogs intention is to kill (and eat) it wont simply latches on to your arm and hold on. It would behave like the wild dogs in africa who completely shred a body to pieces. Noone here would think a man could win a fight against a tiger or something similar, a well trained german shepard is quiet similar in strengt to a tiger i think.
A tiger weighs over 600 hundred pounds. Edit: 300 Kg
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