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ReadySetFire
Profile Joined October 2011
Kuwait545 Posts
July 21 2012 10:05 GMT
#641
NO NO NO NO NO

Humans and dogs should never fight. That's just wrong
bjwithbraces
Profile Joined April 2010
United States549 Posts
July 21 2012 10:07 GMT
#642
One method I've seen in practice is you put one of your arms out so to say, and when the dog bites it you put the other behind it's neck and lift with the first fast and hard while pressing in and down with the free arm behind its neck. Should snap the dog's neck relatively quickly. Your arm will probably be shredded but should do the trick if all we're concerned about is survival.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 10:10:49
July 21 2012 10:08 GMT
#643
On July 21 2012 19:07 bjwithbraces wrote:
One method I've seen in practice is you put one of your arms out so to say, and when the dog bites it you put the other behind it's neck and lift with the first fast and hard while pressing in and down with the free arm behind its neck. Should snap the dog's neck relatively quickly. Your arm will probably be shredded but should do the trick if all we're concerned about is survival.


What if you put your arm out, and the dog just jumps up and bites your face. What do you do then?

Interesting tactic though. Although I'd like to see the average person use their arm as bait in a dog fight.
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
July 21 2012 10:10 GMT
#644
I'm going to go with human, not to say that it leaves them in a good condition, but the human wins.

On July 21 2012 18:46 sOda~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 18:41 Amui wrote:
Trained attack dogs are really just domesticated dogs with their feral side on call. The feral side is damn scary, and I'd agree, probably 90+% of people wouldn't stand a chance. Big factor I would think though is keeping all appendages away from the dog's mouth and staying upright. Definitely have find a way to knock the dog onto its side to take away the mobility & a lot of the power first though, before probably piling on and using superior weight to keep it down while attempting to either choke or bludgeon it to death.


dogs are rly stupid though so you can just mash dragon punch on wake up, theyll never catch on.

Holy crap, I haven't laughed like that in ages.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 10:11:55
July 21 2012 10:11 GMT
#645
On July 21 2012 19:10 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
I'm going to go with human, not to say that it leaves them in a good condition, but the human wins.

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On July 21 2012 18:46 sOda~ wrote:
On July 21 2012 18:41 Amui wrote:
Trained attack dogs are really just domesticated dogs with their feral side on call. The feral side is damn scary, and I'd agree, probably 90+% of people wouldn't stand a chance. Big factor I would think though is keeping all appendages away from the dog's mouth and staying upright. Definitely have find a way to knock the dog onto its side to take away the mobility & a lot of the power first though, before probably piling on and using superior weight to keep it down while attempting to either choke or bludgeon it to death.


dogs are rly stupid though so you can just mash dragon punch on wake up, theyll never catch on.

Holy crap, I haven't laughed like that in ages.


I thought this was pretty funny too.

What if dogs have safe jump though, then ur screwed.
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Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
July 21 2012 10:12 GMT
#646
It's (relatively) easy to gauge out the dog's eyes (since his attack is biting down on you) and their skulls are relatively easy to crack aswell. So the person should win unless he succumbs to the pain of having a dog hanging off its arm/leg too fast.
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Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
July 21 2012 10:15 GMT
#647
Person would win as long as the first dog attack isn't lethal. Choke it, punch it on the head, break his back or neck. Should be a person to win this.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22299 Posts
July 21 2012 10:15 GMT
#648
I see no other solution except for letting it bite your weak arm and hammerfist its head with the strong arm in a way that it loses consciousness or orientation.

If you use the legs and lose balance, it's gg.

If you apply pressure on the eyes, it will release and attack again.
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 10:17:27
July 21 2012 10:15 GMT
#649
On July 21 2012 19:12 Promises wrote:
It's (relatively) easy to gauge out the dog's eyes (since his attack is biting down on you) and their skulls are relatively easy to crack aswell. So the person should win unless he succumbs to the pain of having a dog hanging off its arm/leg too fast.


Tbf I don't think poking its eyes would make any difference. It can probably smell and hear where you are, and you would need to wait until you've lost a chunk of meat before you can escape anyway, in which you might die from blood loss. Natural instinct is to yell too when you get attacked.

On July 21 2012 19:15 Vivax wrote:
I see no other solution except for letting it bite your weak arm and hammerfist its head with the strong arm in a way that it loses consciousness or orientation.

If you use the legs and lose balance, it's gg.

If you apply pressure on the eyes, it will release and attack again.


Won't work, I've tried punching a dog on the head, doesn't do shit. It seems like the best way just from reading this thread is to choke it, but that takes some serious balls. And if you watched the vod I posted, the guy tries to grab the dogs neck and it just slips out of it.
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Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 10:22:36
July 21 2012 10:17 GMT
#650
On July 21 2012 19:07 bjwithbraces wrote:
One method I've seen in practice is you put one of your arms out so to say, and when the dog bites it you put the other behind it's neck and lift with the first fast and hard while pressing in and down with the free arm behind its neck. Should snap the dog's neck relatively quickly. Your arm will probably be shredded but should do the trick if all we're concerned about is survival.
Yeah that's what I was talking about. Probably not that easy to do though. I haven't heard of it being used though, who used it and in what situation?
On July 21 2012 19:08 sluggaslamoo wrote:
What if you put your arm out, and the dog just jumps up and bites your face. What do you do then?
Well a reasonable person should be protecting their neck area and hence have their arms ready to protect that (just like in human-human fights). If it bit your face that wouldn't be an issue since the face is not a critical component to live. If the dog had it's jaws locked on something other than the arm it allows for the human to attack it with both hands, such as strangling, punching, or just grappling (for knee hits or getting into a better position)

On July 21 2012 19:15 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 19:12 Promises wrote:
It's (relatively) easy to gauge out the dog's eyes (since his attack is biting down on you) and their skulls are relatively easy to crack aswell. So the person should win unless he succumbs to the pain of having a dog hanging off its arm/leg too fast.

Tbf I don't think poking its eyes would make any difference. It can probably smell and hear where you are, and you would need to wait until you've lost a chunk of meat before you can escape anyway, in which you might die from blood loss. Natural instinct is to yell too when you get attacked.
.

for Just hitting the eyes, it would be to hurt/scare/disable it a bit, obviously not outright win. But what I think could be done aside from that is lobotomize the brain from that point — I'm not sure how easy that would be to do.
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
July 21 2012 10:19 GMT
#651
On July 21 2012 19:17 Xapti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 19:07 bjwithbraces wrote:
One method I've seen in practice is you put one of your arms out so to say, and when the dog bites it you put the other behind it's neck and lift with the first fast and hard while pressing in and down with the free arm behind its neck. Should snap the dog's neck relatively quickly. Your arm will probably be shredded but should do the trick if all we're concerned about is survival.
Yeah that's what I was talking about. Probably not that easy to do though. I haven't heard of it being used though, who used it and in what situation?
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 19:08 sluggaslamoo wrote:
What if you put your arm out, and the dog just jumps up and bites your face. What do you do then?
Well a reasonable person should be protecting their neck area and hence have their arms ready to protect that (just like in human-human fights). If it bit your face that wouldn't be an issue since the face is not a critical component to live. If the dog had it's jaws locked on something other than the arm it allows for the human to attack it with both hands, such as strangling, punching, or just grappling (for knee hits or getting into a better position)


I guess so.

Might wanna read a few pages back. Knee hits don't do anything, it was a large enough force that it should have fractured the dogs rib cage and according to the vet safe to say it did, but it doesn't do shit.
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vol_
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1608 Posts
July 21 2012 10:20 GMT
#652
I remember hearing somewhere the best way to kill a dog is to grab its two front legs and pull them apart?
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sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
July 21 2012 10:21 GMT
#653
On July 21 2012 19:20 vol_ wrote:
I remember hearing somewhere the best way to kill a dog is to grab its two front legs and pull them apart?


I was thinking if this was possible. To be honest though it would be almost impossible to grab its legs, and dislocating them would be a feat in itself.
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
July 21 2012 10:21 GMT
#654
Shield your neck and you should be ok I think......but its not something I'd ever want to try.
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FullNatural
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States180 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 10:26:03
July 21 2012 10:24 GMT
#655
Anyone picking an average human male to win is eaither an idiot or has never worked with dogs. I use to work at a dog daycare and had to constantly break up dog fights. One was involving an average sized german shep. and a black lab. I used the proper methods to break up the fight, however there weren't enough bite gloves at the time and I had to go bare handed. The german shep re directed on my left forarm and clamped down. I blacked out for a few seconds. The german shep let go after he realized I was only breaking up the fight. I had 2 puncture holes in my arm. If I was alone and this dog was intent on killing me it would be GG. Im 6 feet 195 pounds 28 year old male and in average shape.

Luckily the bite was only a re direct and natural instinct for the dog, as he was only trying to fight the other dog.
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 10:29:05
July 21 2012 10:26 GMT
#656
On July 21 2012 19:19 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Might wanna read a few pages back. Knee hits don't do anything, it was a large enough force that it should have fractured the dogs rib cage and according to the vet safe to say it did, but it doesn't do shit.

Well while one person said their knees didn't seem to work well, but another guy said "I for example have 3 Rottweilers and know the best way to fend off a large dog is to keep kicking up your knee (Aiming for its chest when its jumps on you)"

Just because a dog can survive one or more hits doesn't mean they could withstand continual assault on the same area — it's the same way with humans. The best fighters have good resilience to getting knocked out or winded or getting their ribs broken, but it does still happen when enough hits are landed. Dogs are smaller animals and have weaker bones, so it's certainly viable, I'd say.
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
July 21 2012 10:26 GMT
#657
The person would probably win. There's a reason dogs and wolves hunt in packs instead of on their own.

Can't you hit it square on the nose? The nose it a huge weak spot of pretty much every mammal, and commonly used to punish dogs or cats that show undesirable behaviour.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
July 21 2012 10:28 GMT
#658
On July 21 2012 19:24 FullNatural wrote:
Anyone picking an average human male to win is eaither an idiot or has never worked with dogs. I use to work at a dog daycare and had to constantly break up dog fights. One was involving an average sized german shep. and a black lab. I used the proper methods to break up the fight, however there weren't enough bite gloves at the time and I had to go bare handed. The german shep re directed on my left forarm and clamped down. I blacked out for a few seconds. The german shep let go after he realized I was only breaking up the fight. I had 2 puncture holes in my arm. If I was alone and this dog was intent on killing me it would be GG. Im 6 feet 195 pounds 28 year old male and in average shape.

Luckily the bite was only a re direct and natural instinct for the dog, as he was only trying to fight the other dog.


Depends on the situation.

OP situation is IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION.
Your situation is different.

REALLY DEPEND on the dog and human.A lot of conditions and variable involve.

So i will just say 50/50 for dog and human.
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FullNatural
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States180 Posts
July 21 2012 10:28 GMT
#659
If a dog clamps down on an un protected limb with intent. There is nothing that a human is going to be able to do. I'm sorry.
FullNatural
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States180 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-21 10:34:00
July 21 2012 10:30 GMT
#660
On July 21 2012 19:28 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 19:24 FullNatural wrote:
Anyone picking an average human male to win is eaither an idiot or has never worked with dogs. I use to work at a dog daycare and had to constantly break up dog fights. One was involving an average sized german shep. and a black lab. I used the proper methods to break up the fight, however there weren't enough bite gloves at the time and I had to go bare handed. The german shep re directed on my left forarm and clamped down. I blacked out for a few seconds. The german shep let go after he realized I was only breaking up the fight. I had 2 puncture holes in my arm. If I was alone and this dog was intent on killing me it would be GG. Im 6 feet 195 pounds 28 year old male and in average shape.

Luckily the bite was only a re direct and natural instinct for the dog, as he was only trying to fight the other dog.


Depends on the situation.

OP situation is IN A LIFE OR DEATH SITUATION.
Your situation is different.

REALLY DEPEND on the dog and human.A lot of conditions and variable involve.

So i will just say 50/50 for dog and human.


This dog clamped down on my arm when I had the advantage and he was blind to me. He re directed on my arm before I could even tell what was happening. Imagine what would happen if the dog is being RELEASED on a human with intent to kill as OP states.

I know we all like to pretend were MMA fighers. But OP says average male. The average mall is about 5'10 170 pounds and not in life or death fighting type condition.
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