On July 21 2012 15:56 SpaceFighting wrote: i could probably fuck it up, i mean i might really lose an arm or something, but it cant bite 2 places at once.. so my alternate arm... or if its biting my legs i can use both, really all i need is my hard to really smash it LOL
also, speaking of which, me and a friend walk home from uni every day, and on the way theres always lose dogs and stray ones, we conducted a plan where that if one were to attack.. i would use my left arm as bait while my friend layed into the mongrel LMFAO, legit as fuk
edit: also when dogs bite dont they latch on and like never let go?? like they just decide to bite and rip the shit off one part?, they wouldnt say... bite aggressively on the left arm, make sure its injured, then back off and try get another part.....
2nd edit: read alot of things about the dogs really go for the neck? k im fucking dead then, i thought they just go wild at anything, so if u stick ur arm out, they'll just attack that, ive been watching to much police dog training programs i think
Don't use your arm as bait, because you wouldn't have the leverage to hurt it, also you would 100% lose your arm. The dog that attacked my dog I ran up to it as fast as I could and kicked it like I would a soccer ball (I can kick a ball half the field too), didn't make any difference.
This dog went straight for the stomach and wouldn't let go till its guts came out. So I dunno that's probably what would happen I guess?
OP states that German Sheppard is set on killing. Basically set to feral mode to kill.
If feral mode German Sheppard fight against average human who knows nothing about dealing with dog,Sheppard wins hands down
But OP never state anything about human?Is it an average human? Or are we talking about human who actually know the behaviour and weakness of dogs and exploit it? Or we could talking about military service man? Or we could have Mike Tyson who knock that Sheppard out cold in a one-shot?
OP has to more clear about the conditions of the battle. Though generally speaking, it is a 50/50 situation though since human in fight or flight situation will do ANYTHING TO SURVIVE. like jumping over fences when you usually can't.
On July 21 2012 18:34 FakeDeath wrote: OP states that German Sheppard is set on killing. Basically set to feral mode to kill.
If feral mode German Sheppard fight against average human who knows nothing about dealing with dog,Sheppard wins hands down
But OP never state anything about human?Is it an average human? Or are we talking about human who actually know the behaviour and weakness of dogs and exploit it? Or we could talking about military service man? Or we could have Mike Tyson who knock that Sheppard out cold in a one-shot?
OP has to more clear about the conditions of the battle. Though generally speaking, it is a 50/50 situation though since human in fight or flight situation will do ANYTHING TO SURVIVE. like jumping over fences when you usually can't.
You would need to be a martial artist, a strong wrestler or policeman capable of handling psychotic human beings. Even then its a tough fight. A fit person wouldn't be able to do shit. I used to be a state level soccer player and my kick didn't do shit lol. Of course a lot of people have said don't kick, but honestly if your in that situation you irrationally consider that the best course of action.
A fairer contest might be between an unarmed average-sized adult male human and a relatively small adult farm pig (apprx. 250 lbs). I'd say, while only a small percentage of such humans would have any shot at the German Shepherd (maybe 10%), perhaps 50%–75% would have a good chance of beating the hog. It would all depend on whether the human could outmaneuver the pig and get a good angle, 'cause if the human ever stumbled to the ground he would lose then and there. Also, in all of these sorts of scenarios the size of the place in which the two are fighting would make a monumental difference.
On July 21 2012 15:56 SpaceFighting wrote: i could probably fuck it up, i mean i might really lose an arm or something, but it cant bite 2 places at once.. so my alternate arm... or if its biting my legs i can use both, really all i need is my hard to really smash it LOL
also, speaking of which, me and a friend walk home from uni every day, and on the way theres always lose dogs and stray ones, we conducted a plan where that if one were to attack.. i would use my left arm as bait while my friend layed into the mongrel LMFAO, legit as fuk
edit: also when dogs bite dont they latch on and like never let go?? like they just decide to bite and rip the shit off one part?, they wouldnt say... bite aggressively on the left arm, make sure its injured, then back off and try get another part.....
2nd edit: read alot of things about the dogs really go for the neck? k im fucking dead then, i thought they just go wild at anything, so if u stick ur arm out, they'll just attack that, ive been watching to much police dog training programs i think
Don't use your arm as bait, because you wouldn't have the leverage to hurt it, also you would 100% lose your arm. The dog that attacked my dog I ran up to it as fast as I could and kicked it like I would a soccer ball (I can kick a ball half the field too), didn't make any difference.
This dog went straight for the stomach and wouldn't let go till its guts came out. So I dunno that's probably what would happen I guess?
I find it hard to believe kicking a dog, hard, in the head would do nothing though.
As to the man vs pig contest though, I suppose (whether or not the human could get a good angle) an unarmed human would have an extremely difficult time actually finishing the pig off.
Trained attack dogs are really just domesticated dogs with their feral side on call. The feral side is damn scary, and I'd agree, probably 90+% of people wouldn't stand a chance. Big factor I would think though is keeping all appendages away from the dog's mouth and staying upright. Definitely have find a way to knock the dog onto its side to take away the mobility & a lot of the power first though, before probably piling on and using superior weight to keep it down while attempting to either choke or bludgeon it to death.
On July 21 2012 18:27 Ryder. wrote: There's a reason law enforcement use attack dogs; they are pretty fucking deadly. Is the dog in question a trained attack dog? Cause honestly I think your average joe would have no chance against an attack dog trying to kill. As somebody said earlier, dogs seem generally pretty submissive to humans so they appear deceptively weak, but a trained attack dog would probably chew straight through your average joe.
Yep, but a man trained to kill probably wouldn't have a problem chewing through your average Lassie. Physically, the average grown man is stronger than a dog. I mean in sheer muscles strength. The problem are the jaws. But if you manage somehow to immobilize the jaws, I think you can win.
It isn't just about strength though. You need more than strength when an angry loud attack dog comes sprinting up to you. I think these dogs would have more than enough strength to knock you over when they jump on you, and they will go for your throat much faster than you could react once you hit the floor, and when that happens its game over. You need someone who is able to think clearly despite the fact there is a massive dog barking and charging up to you, then have good enough reflexes/be quick enough to either dodge it when it jumps or somehow block it, because once you hit the floor you are dead. I'd say most people would not be able to do this. Just look at the story a previous poster told about the dog attacking his dog on the farm.
Edit: And don't anyone give me any punching it in the jaw shit, assuming you can actually land a punch against a reasonably small target (the dogs jaw) whilst it is racing up to you, I'd almost bet you would fuck your wrist up if by chance you do connect (you wouldn't)
Edit2: Loving the suggestion of giving up your arm in exchanging for a pot shot at the dog. Even if the dog was stupid enough to bite your arm instead of your throat, I do respect how cool, calm and calculated you are all able to act after having a dog literally tear your hand off.
On July 21 2012 18:32 Kickboxer wrote: Dog wins against random Joe, no contest. The guy will porbably be overwhelmed by the violence of the situation to a point where they don't even fight back. Melee is all about composure and familiarity.
If the person is large and / or highly athletic with a background in physical sports it's an even fight leaning towards the human.
An elite MMA fighter destroys the dog unless it gets really lucky and hits something vital around the neck asap.
No way, even attack dogs that are trained to kill don't actually make kills easily, unless it's a little kid or a baby. They mostly just disable or slow down movement of the runner, so that the handler can do whatever he has to do.
If you're putting into a 1v1 scenario and fight to the death, not running. Average joe will win. Adrenaline kicks in, and you would do everything you can to win the dog, like attack its eyes with pure fingers.
Sure average joes will get bitten, but as soon the dog bite into anywhere that isn't critical, human has win, even one of your arm happened to be the target.
On July 21 2012 15:56 SpaceFighting wrote: i could probably fuck it up, i mean i might really lose an arm or something, but it cant bite 2 places at once.. so my alternate arm... or if its biting my legs i can use both, really all i need is my hard to really smash it LOL
also, speaking of which, me and a friend walk home from uni every day, and on the way theres always lose dogs and stray ones, we conducted a plan where that if one were to attack.. i would use my left arm as bait while my friend layed into the mongrel LMFAO, legit as fuk
edit: also when dogs bite dont they latch on and like never let go?? like they just decide to bite and rip the shit off one part?, they wouldnt say... bite aggressively on the left arm, make sure its injured, then back off and try get another part.....
2nd edit: read alot of things about the dogs really go for the neck? k im fucking dead then, i thought they just go wild at anything, so if u stick ur arm out, they'll just attack that, ive been watching to much police dog training programs i think
Don't use your arm as bait, because you wouldn't have the leverage to hurt it, also you would 100% lose your arm. The dog that attacked my dog I ran up to it as fast as I could and kicked it like I would a soccer ball (I can kick a ball half the field too), didn't make any difference.
This dog went straight for the stomach and wouldn't let go till its guts came out. So I dunno that's probably what would happen I guess?
I find it hard to believe kicking a dog, hard, in the head would do nothing though.
I think I fractured its ribs from what just hearing what the vet said. But it didn't even fall over, it was like kicking a brick wall. I didn't wanna kick the head because that would hurt my dog. I then grabbed its collar and started kneeing and punching it in the head/nose and sides. It was un-phased. Its like they gain an extra coat of armor once they go feral.
On July 21 2012 18:41 Amui wrote: Trained attack dogs are really just domesticated dogs with their feral side on call. The feral side is damn scary, and I'd agree, probably 90+% of people wouldn't stand a chance. Big factor I would think though is keeping all appendages away from the dog's mouth and staying upright. Definitely have find a way to knock the dog onto its side to take away the mobility & a lot of the power first though, before probably piling on and using superior weight to keep it down while attempting to either choke or bludgeon it to death.
dogs are rly stupid though so you can just mash dragon punch on wake up, theyll never catch on.
I'd trade most of one arm to get a grip around the dogs neck and that'd be that. It would suck losing your arm but it would suck about 84% more to die.
I think people are really underestimating how strong dogs are, even if *only* 70-80 lbs. It is not nearly as easy as you might think to wrap your arms around a dog that size if it doesn't want you to...it would take a very strong person to do so. I have a pitbull that is ~60lbs, and sometimes can't believe how fast he can move at full speed. If he doesn't want me grabbing hold of him, I simply wont be able to.
On July 21 2012 18:32 Kickboxer wrote: Dog wins against random Joe, no contest. The guy will porbably be overwhelmed by the violence of the situation to a point where they don't even fight back. Melee is all about composure and familiarity.
If the person is large and / or highly athletic with a background in physical sports it's an even fight leaning towards the human.
An elite MMA fighter destroys the dog unless it gets really lucky and hits something vital around the neck asap.
No way, even attack dogs that are trained to kill don't actually make kills easily, unless it's a little kid or a baby. They mostly just disable or slow down movement of the runner, so that the handler can do whatever he has to do.
If you're putting into a 1v1 scenario and fight to the death, not running. Average joe will win. Adrenaline kicks in, and you would do everything you can to win the dog, like attack its eyes with pure fingers.
Sure average joes will get bitten, but as soon the dog bite into anywhere that isn't critical, human has win, even one of your arm happened to be the target.
Moment the dog grabs onto an appendage though, it's going to thrash and more than likely bring you down. You are most likely not going to be using whatever it bit for leverage. AFAIK most animals if they bring you down will instinctively go for the throat/neck, so getting dragged down is going to be a death sentence in most cases.
For adult males, I think it would be a pure reflex competition. I mean if the dog gets a good bite of your arms or throat then there is not much you can do anymore. But considering that german shepards weigh only between 22 and 40 kilograms (49 and 88 lb), if a you get a grip on the dogs throat or middle body, and then get to jump on the dog, the dog cannot do anything anymore.
On July 21 2012 15:56 SpaceFighting wrote: i could probably fuck it up, i mean i might really lose an arm or something, but it cant bite 2 places at once.. so my alternate arm... or if its biting my legs i can use both, really all i need is my hard to really smash it LOL
also, speaking of which, me and a friend walk home from uni every day, and on the way theres always lose dogs and stray ones, we conducted a plan where that if one were to attack.. i would use my left arm as bait while my friend layed into the mongrel LMFAO, legit as fuk
edit: also when dogs bite dont they latch on and like never let go?? like they just decide to bite and rip the shit off one part?, they wouldnt say... bite aggressively on the left arm, make sure its injured, then back off and try get another part.....
2nd edit: read alot of things about the dogs really go for the neck? k im fucking dead then, i thought they just go wild at anything, so if u stick ur arm out, they'll just attack that, ive been watching to much police dog training programs i think
Don't use your arm as bait, because you wouldn't have the leverage to hurt it, also you would 100% lose your arm. The dog that attacked my dog I ran up to it as fast as I could and kicked it like I would a soccer ball (I can kick a ball half the field too), didn't make any difference.
This dog went straight for the stomach and wouldn't let go till its guts came out. So I dunno that's probably what would happen I guess?
I find it hard to believe kicking a dog, hard, in the head would do nothing though.
I'm pretty sure dogs and most feral animals of the same kind have very strong neck muscles and skulls. Also getting a perfect kick in the head on a moving dog is a feat in itself.
Bad dubstep music, but yeah this guy had all the space in the world can't do shit. This is just for those that said if they had space to pivot they would be fine. You can see he's constantly turning around to be prepared, but when the dog jumps its just like, "oh shit im fucked". You also see him trying to grab the dogs neck, doesn't work.
As long as one's throat is protected, dogs don't have any quick killing or knockout power. All they can do is immobilize you then try to bite and claw you to death, which isn't likely to happen if you're a human with reasonable strength. Assuming one of the more worse scenarios — being bitten on one arm, one could still poke out it's eye with the other arm, or punch it in sensitive areas like the gut or head.
Aside from that It shouldn't be hard to dislocate their legs causing enough pain for them to probably give-up/retreat (unless they somehow knew it was life or death)
I've also heard it's possible to snap a dogs neck if you have your arm bitten down by one, but I would imagine it would be much harder to do when there's no protection, and you would need to know the technique (and strength) for it.
dogs are very capable, but in a fight for eachtothers' lives I couldn't see a dog winning often unless the human was not reasonably/fit strong, or the balance was skewed ( well-trained fighting breed dog vs a toddler or old lady)
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