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On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China.
Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves.
(2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre
Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though.
(3) Assyrian Genocide
Again, no atheists involved.
(4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union
Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case.
(5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire.
Nero was an atheist?
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im an atheist and my doctor cured me of many more sicknesses than those nuts ever will.
really, that just sums it up right about. there is no god. would god let such firm followers die like that? wouldnt god send a doctor over for some reason?
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On March 27 2008 06:26 Romance_us wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. (2) Assyrian Genocide (3) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union (4) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. (1) This is done is the name of COMMUNISM. Not Atheism. The Chinese government simply will not tolerate the fact their citizens believe in a higher power than themselves. (2) Extremely questionable. (3) Again, political motivation, not religious. (4) I'm not familiar of this, I will research though.
Wait, I thought atheism was the unbelief of religion. The anti-religion.
Isn't it pretty anti-religion for a government to be anti-religion? Haha. Communism fits the bill. If a government wants to banish religion, doesn't it mean that the government is atheist? It certainly cannot mean that the government holds any religious belief, of course....
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On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. Again, no atheists involved. Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. Nero was an atheist?
You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? 
It was the persecution of religious belief. How much clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer?
Given: Atheist does not believe in any form of God or supernatural.
Prompt: If believers of God/supernatural are being killed, then what is the faith of the killers?
(A) Opposing religious believers (other churches/beliefs)
(B) Non believers. (AKA Atheists)
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The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't tech to academy early enough," the police chief said.
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On March 27 2008 06:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:
Wait, I thought atheism was the unbelief of religion. The anti-religion.
Isn't it pretty anti-religion for a government to be anti-religion? Haha. Communism fits the bill. If a government wants to banish religion, doesn't it mean that the government is atheist? It certainly cannot mean that the government holds any religious belief, of course....
You're trying to attribute the banishment of religion (not to mention through active violence) to atheism, though. Whether or not a government is atheist or not does not dictate whether they are trying to abolish religion.
It follows logic, of course, that such a government would have to be atheistic; implying that all atheist governments must attempt to abolish religion is, however, extremely ridiculous.
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The amount of Christianity-hating that goes on in these threads is getting somewhat ridiculous. People who only post to make remarks like "There is no god. Haha!" What's the point? You are not adding anything constructive, in fact your posts are just taking up space. Same goes for posts like "I believe in God, and he works in mysterious ways!" This usually has nothing to do with the topic being discussed at hand other then the fact that you are a Christian.
...Anywho, It's unfair to judge millions of people by the actions of two parents who obviously have some kind of delusional complex.
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On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer?
Are you kidding me.
Have you not heard of the Spanish Inquisition?
My mind is numb, do you even read my well-intentioned posts or not?
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My money is on this being closed by hmm...... page 7!
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On March 27 2008 06:31 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:26 Romance_us wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. (2) Assyrian Genocide (3) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union (4) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. (1) This is done is the name of COMMUNISM. Not Atheism. The Chinese government simply will not tolerate the fact their citizens believe in a higher power than themselves. (2) Extremely questionable. (3) Again, political motivation, not religious. (4) I'm not familiar of this, I will research though. Wait, I thought atheism was the unbelief of religion. The anti-religion. Isn't it pretty anti-religion for a government to be anti-religion? Haha. Communism fits the bill. If a government wants to banish religion, doesn't it mean that the government is atheist? It certainly cannot mean that the government holds any religious belief, of course....
a- 1 or an-
pref. Without; not
the·ism
–noun
1. the belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism).
2. belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to atheism).
Atheism is not the same thing as antireligion. Indeed, some religions, like Theravada Buddhism, are atheistic.
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On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer?
It's not like people haven't killed others for praying to a different invisible man than their own. Remove your blinders.
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On March 27 2008 06:36 ClockworkBlues wrote:
...Anywho, It's unfair to judge millions of people by the actions of two parents who obviously have some kind of delusional complex.
We are not.
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On March 27 2008 06:38 ._. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer? Are you kidding me. Have you not heard of the Spanish Inquisition? My mind is numb, do you even read my well-intentioned posts or not?
No, who are you? And why should I have read your posts?
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On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How much clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer? Given: Atheist does not believe in any form of God or supernatural. Prompt: If believers of God/supernatural are being killed, then what is the faith of the killers? (A) Opposing religious believers (other churches/beliefs) (B) Non believers. (AKA Atheists)
1. Three of the events you posted involved no atheists at all.
2. That atheists have done bad things has never been contested. That people have done bad things in the name of atheism has. There is a difference.
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On March 27 2008 06:41 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:38 ._. wrote:On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer? Are you kidding me. Have you not heard of the Spanish Inquisition? My mind is numb, do you even read my well-intentioned posts or not? No, who are you? And why should I have read your posts?
Uh-oh, better watch out! The inner elitist in WIP is coming out! You can't compete with MIT!
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On March 27 2008 06:41 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How much clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer? Given: Atheist does not believe in any form of God or supernatural. Prompt: If believers of God/supernatural are being killed, then what is the faith of the killers? (A) Opposing religious believers (other churches/beliefs) (B) Non believers. (AKA Atheists) 1. Three of the events you posted involved no atheists at all. 2. That atheists have done bad things has never been contested. That people have done bad things in the name of atheism has. There is a difference.
Ah, okay. You win then.
Yes, many deaths have been caused by Christians and in the name of Christianity.
Yes, many deaths have been caused by Atheists, but not necessarily in the name of Atheism.
Okay, I can live with that.
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On March 27 2008 06:41 WhatisProtoss wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:38 ._. wrote:On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer? Are you kidding me. Have you not heard of the Spanish Inquisition? My mind is numb, do you even read my well-intentioned posts or not? No, who are you? And why should I have read your posts?
Prove to me that your not some stubborn Christian with a terrible and misinterpreted definition of Atheism?
Why not read my posts before you continue on with your ignorance? Why not listen to criticism of others every so often? Even if I am unknown, why not take the effort into opening your mind?
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The whole idea of comparing crimes comitted by religious vs atheist is not really helpful.
Religion has specific dogmas which in some cases can be reasons for atrocities.
Nothing can really be done in the name of atheism since atheism describes the lack of belief in a specific dogma and nothing else.
This doesn't mean all atheists are good people, since they can hold other dogmatic values, like those of nazism, communism, racism, antisemitism etc, but religious people might hold these values too.
It's like comparing crimes done by racists with those committed by non-racists, it makes no sense.
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On March 27 2008 06:45 Hawk wrote:
Uh-oh, better watch out! The inner elitist in WIP is coming out! You can't compete with MIT!
Haha, but isn't it ridiculous how some random kid demands that you should have read his posts? I mean, I'm having quite the busy time with other people who are exchanging with me...
On March 27 2008 06:46 ._. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 06:41 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:38 ._. wrote:On March 27 2008 06:35 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:29 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:13 WhatisProtoss wrote:On March 27 2008 06:07 Mindcrime wrote:On March 27 2008 06:01 CDRdude wrote:
Bad things have been done in the name of atheism too. Such as? (1) Persecution of those with faith in China. Atheism wasn't the motivator. Many of those persecuted in China are Theravada Buddhists... most of whom are atheists themselves. (2) St Bartholomew's Day Massacre Uh, that involved Catholics and Huguenots. Nice try though. (3) Assyrian Genocide Again, no atheists involved. (4) Persecution of Christians in Soviet Union Atheism wasn't the motivator there. Subordinance to the state was the motivator. If you look at how the USSR treated the various religious groups within its borders over its history, you'll find that to be the case. (5) Execution of any Christian during Nero's rule of the Roman Empire. Nero was an atheist? You're trying to distinguish whether the persecutors have explicitly stated that they are atheist? It was the persecution of religious belief. How clearer can it get? Isn't it strong evidence that the persecutor is an atheist, if he kills any religious believer? Are you kidding me. Have you not heard of the Spanish Inquisition? My mind is numb, do you even read my well-intentioned posts or not? No, who are you? And why should I have read your posts? Prove to me that your not some stubborn Christian with a terrible and misinterpreted definition of Atheism? Why not read my posts before you continue on with your ignorance? Why not listen to criticism of others every so often? Even if I am unknown, why not take the effort into opening your mind?
Wait, why should I prove anything to you? I'm certainly not ignorant. And as you can see, I have been criticizing both sides of the playing field, atheists and Christians alike. So, the fact that you're bitching at my "ignorance" and failure to read your posts makes me LESS motivated to skim through several pages of forum just to find them.
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On March 27 2008 06:50 WhatisProtoss wrote:
I'm certainly not ignorant.
disagree
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