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Dav1oN
Ukraine3164 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On January 14 2023 23:34 Dav1oN wrote: If you have a politician in your country who is in charge of defensive decision making and this person is still in doubts whether collective West should provide more and better tech/equipment to Ukraine - just show a few pics from Dnipro residential high rise area after the recent terror attack with missiles... I will bike to the EU headquarters and yell at the Germans. Barely even exaggerating, Russia must be stopped immediately. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
"The Prime Minister has been clear that the UK has to stand by its commitment to Ukraine, and that includes ensuring it has the critical equipment to defend itself and change the battlefield equation," the source notes. "A group of four Challenger 2 tanks will be delivered to eastern Europe immediately, with a further eight following shortly afterwards," The Sun reports Sunak is said to have held talks with defence and security officials this week, telling them that getting the tanks to Ukraine should be an operational priority. Both Prime Minister Sunak and Defence Secretary Ben Wallace decided to send a full squadron after intense lobbying by President Zelenskyy, the publication said. Source | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Russia hit an apartment complex, warning NSFW as you can hear screams from under the rubble. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ZeroByte13
775 Posts
They will be sent to "penal battalions" which is another name for death battalions I guess? To replace convicts as cannon fodder? Damn.  | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
1.) They bring in the 500's, those that did not want to fight, and give them weapons and send them in to the attack. What is stopping them from simply surrendering to Ukraine, and handing over their weapons and the info they have. Or turning their weapons on to Wagner. 2.) Merging with the regular Russian army. Which will not end well. 3.) Wagner keeps attacking with what's left, which would make no sense. edit: Update on the Apartment that was hit. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5657 Posts
Wagner was allegedly sending unarmed prisoners as recon units. They used them to probe the Ukrainian defences, just soaking bullets. Then the regular Wagner troops would have a clearer idea where and how to engage. Also, it's not easy to just surrender like that. You have Ukrainian troops in front of you, who might be unaware of your intentions, and Wagner troops who will kill you if you try to surrender. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
It's not like Ivan500 is given a rifle and then sent out alone on a trip through the forest, where he is suddenly greeted by a friendly Ukrainian soldier who asks him if they wanna fight or if he wants to surrender. The reality is that Ivan500 has a decent chance to die before he even get to the front because some arty hits him way before. But even if lucky Ivan500 made it and is now only 500m from the Ukrainian position... His friendly officer now tells him and his dozen friends to charge some Ukrainian position. Now the question: How much distance do you want to have from a) the closest Ukrainians b) your fellow 500s c) the next non-500 Russian to show your willingness to surrender. And how likely is it that any of those parties kill you before/after you made your intent clear? And how will you do it? You can now repeat that thought experiment when tasked to defend a position. Most death rains down on you hours before the enemy even gets close. And during the initial contact, you won't have much luck with your surrender action either. You rarely get a chance to surrender before the battle is over. And "why they don't turn on Wagner" is even funnier. You can rest assured that those people unwilling to fight usually do this for reasons of self-preservation. And trying to shoot your superior in the midst of a base is never the optimal play there. Russia has a long history of penal battalions and knows how to make it so that self-preservation dictates their soldiers to face the enemy instead of their own because their own side is more dangerous than the enemy. | ||
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ZeroByte13
775 Posts
On January 15 2023 08:28 mahrgell wrote: I'd guess many are pacifist or at least really not willing to fight at this war in particular.You can rest assured that those people unwilling to fight usually do this for reasons of self-preservation Not that many people actually are ready to fight/kill in general, and especially for reasons they don't support. But all of this doesn't matter, of course - AFU soldiers can't know who's ready to surrender and who isn't, so... | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Hvvacha
82 Posts
On January 15 2023 06:17 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: So apparently Soledar wasn't that much of a victory for Wagner, rather it resulted in it being bled out now needing a life line. That and they still haven't received any further supplies from Russia proper, while being even more at odds with the regulars of the Russian military. https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1614335367230128128 https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1614335371344502785 https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1614335374771249153 https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1614335378005049344 https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1614335382216396800 https://twitter.com/ChrisO_wiki/status/1614335385525538816 Like previous 5 big cities that Ukraine promised to never surrender? wonder how the loss of Bakhmut will be spun | ||
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Yurie
11931 Posts
On January 15 2023 15:39 Hvvacha wrote: Like previous 5 big cities that Ukraine promised to never surrender? wonder how the loss of Bakhmut will be spun Will probably be spun as a long and bitter fight that they lost. While referring to other gains in that the war is still going well overall even with localized losses. Seems reasonable to me. It is still not certain Bakhmut will be lost, though by this point it requires an offensive at some other front to pull troops away. The city isn't the most defensible or strategically important, so while they are trying to keep it they should not defend after it becomes too costly. | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On January 15 2023 15:39 Hvvacha wrote: Like previous 5 big cities that Ukraine promised to never surrender? wonder how the loss of Bakhmut will be spun https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1602599983840391169 https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1527939625825845248 I don't think it's set in stone that Bakhmut will fall. And a lot can and will happen until this is all over, it's not like Ukraine didn't have success so far. Also, Soledar is definitely not a big city. It had 10k people pre-war and Bakhmut 72k. Both not comparable to Mariupol. Besides, it's quite the stretch to say Mariupol was surrendered with how long it took Russia to secure what was left of the city. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17440 Posts
I don't think it's set in stone that Bakhmut will fall. And a lot can and will happen until this is all over, it's not like Ukraine didn't have success so far. Also, Soledar is definitely not a big city. It had 10k people pre-war and Bakhmut 72k. Both not comparable to Mariupol. Besides, it's quite the stretch to say Mariupol was surrendered with how long it took Russia to secure what was left of the city. Bakhmut is not big and as far as Mariupol goes we have to remember that it was effectively surrounded at the beginning of the war, when Russia had all its might and fresh troops and it held for a month without any aid from the outside. We have to wait and see what the spring will bring us. In my personal opinion Ukraine will make some big counter-offensive, probably in the Kherson region to cut out the Crimea completely. Especially now that Russia has significant manpower and resources tied around Bakhmut. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17440 Posts
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ZeroByte13
775 Posts
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