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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 15 2026 20:49 GMT
#18801
They are not going after military ships, just tankers , tugboats, a few commercial cargo and ferries.

Ukraine had Fedorov step down as defence minister. None of the guys I read or watch have anything good to say about the decision. They believe it is corruption winning. Most think he was great for the military and modernization of it. I guess we will see who replaces him and if he ends up somewhere.

Lots also think Fedorov will end up as a future leader of Ukraine.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
July 16 2026 05:12 GMT
#18802
Fedorov's removal is interesting. His appointment seems to have been good for damaging Russia itself with a large focus on logistics. It has also been a period where they cannot handle the Russian drone/missile attacks which I assume is very unpopular (though I don't see how they could do it).
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1846 Posts
July 16 2026 09:20 GMT
#18803
I think the latter is simply the consequence of them running out of munitions for Patriot and other interceptors.

I think they have been excellent in shooting down drones, most of the recent big casualty events and explosions in Ukraine seem to have come from Iskanders and various KH- family anti ship + the new(ish) Zicron cruise missiles, plus they began leaning more on Garan family of jet powered drones that are much harder to intercept.

So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17863 Posts
July 16 2026 10:33 GMT
#18804
An interesting brief overview on how drone tech is advancing because of war in Ukraine:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Da1EgUBR9WH/
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2908 Posts
July 16 2026 12:24 GMT
#18805
On July 16 2026 14:12 Yurie wrote:
Fedorov's removal is interesting. His appointment seems to have been good for damaging Russia itself with a large focus on logistics. It has also been a period where they cannot handle the Russian drone/missile attacks which I assume is very unpopular (though I don't see how they could do it).


Nah he's extremely popular overall.

The more nuanced view is that he has his view of how things should be done and Syrski and the top military brass has their view.
It's easy to dismiss the army as corrupt fossils but they also have points. Fedorov has not giving them what they have asked for and instead focused on things like long and medium range strike capability. It's easy to point at the recent success and say that's the correct move and that the current army leadership is set in outdated soviet style thinking.

However Syrski is also on record several times saying that he expects the endgame to be a Russian mobilisation of over a million men in September and the push that follows. Being a soviet era fossil has the advantage that he at least knows how Russia will make their moves.
From that point of view improving mobilisation and providing things like artillery ammunition and options for counter attacks to plug holes has merit even if it's not useful now.

The problem is the two sides cannot reconcile and a decision had to be made. The army won out. I don't know if it's correct but if sacking Federov can still maintain the current drone momentum and it's positive for holding the lines post-September (or even maybe that it doesn't introduce a massive extra risk before that by reorganising the entire army command) things can still work out very well for Ukraine.
Unity, support, family, and kneecapping bitches.
Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1846 Posts
July 16 2026 14:08 GMT
#18806
Seems like a Air Force Deputy Commander stepped down over this:

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraines-air-force-deputy-commander-announces-resignation-over-fedorovs-dismissal/

So it really seems, to me, from a very layman perspective that there was a big schism between Syrskyi and Fedorov over what the focus should be.

For Fedorov, he had all the big successes that have been hyped up in all the media, squeezing the Russian gas production, making Crimea an unlivable hellhole.

At the same time, the truly heroic and bloody efforts that the rest of the Ukrainian forces put in to hold off the Russian advances kind of seem to be buried and under appreciated, and usually, this means that money that might have been appropriated for ammo or new vehicles or whatever to reinforce those troops now might go to the drone program that has more visibility.

So my theory is that Syrski clashed with Fedorov over this and the conflict came down to "me or him" and given the relatively recent departure of Zaluzhnyi and genuinely good job Syrski's been doing, Zelenskii didn't really have any other option then to remove Fedorov.

Again, this is all speculation based on very surface level understanding of the military situation and Ukrainian politics, so take it with a ton of salt.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12898 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-17 01:19:59
July 17 2026 01:18 GMT
#18807
Its an impossible choice.
They can't win the war with drones alone.
And russia isn't exactly behind in drone tech.

Manpower will always be a serious issue, and recruitment is only going to get worse if they can't show enough support for the front.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 17 2026 01:25 GMT
#18808
Yes Russia is, wtf are you talking about?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44398 Posts
July 17 2026 04:36 GMT
#18809
On July 17 2026 10:25 Billyboy wrote:
Yes Russia is, wtf are you talking about?

That’s an oversimplification.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12898 Posts
July 17 2026 06:12 GMT
#18810
On July 17 2026 10:25 Billyboy wrote:
Yes Russia is, wtf are you talking about?

They are not. If you follow military channels, beyond headlines Russia drones especially those jet powered drones like Geran 4 is extremely successful.

If you follow closely, even starlink drones from ukraine are getting interfere and needing edge AI to find their targets, it's all a next level drone warfare than headline success.
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 17 2026 13:07 GMT
#18811
On July 17 2026 15:12 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 10:25 Billyboy wrote:
Yes Russia is, wtf are you talking about?

They are not. If you follow military channels, beyond headlines Russia drones especially those jet powered drones like Geran 4 is extremely successful.

If you follow closely, even starlink drones from ukraine are getting interfere and needing edge AI to find their targets, it's all a next level drone warfare than headline success.

You are just wrong, and not following it closely, just arrogant. Ukraine tech is better, they are able to send out 3x as much. Their drone knock down rate is way higher, because they have interceptor drones. It’s like you are believing Russia on their terminator tank all over again and not noticing actual results.

Feel free to show all the medium and long strike hits Russia is hitting , then compare it to what Ukraine is doing and get back to me.
TropicalHaze
Profile Joined May 2014
Finland76 Posts
July 17 2026 18:31 GMT
#18812
On July 10 2026 08:48 0x64 wrote:
Also online troll activity has been diminishing, "useful idiots" aren't feeling useful anymore.


Not tryna argue with you, but based on what? I still see lots of them at least in my corner of internet.
The eyelashes like umbrellas when it rains from the heart
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3416 Posts
July 18 2026 15:30 GMT
#18813
Reddit comment that made me laugh:

"Now that the prisons are empty, they [Russia] are going for the university students. I bet those history majors will appreciate wielding museum pieces into combat."
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17863 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-18 19:38:13
July 18 2026 19:36 GMT
#18814
Russia struck Ukrainian post office. In retaliation Ukraine has struck Wildberries (Russian Amazon equivalent) warehouses.

https://streamable.com/h6s532

The stories there are pretty crazy too. Apparently when drones were approaching there were anti-air alarms at the facilities but employees were forbidden to leave their posts. Management was also confiscating employee phones as they were filming what was going on.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17863 Posts
July 19 2026 16:45 GMT
#18815


This is a pretty good talk about the drone warfare and how it evolved over the years and how it's influencing everything now. I didn't know the cartels were sending sicarios as mercenaries to conflict zones to get hands on experience with drones in a real combat scenario.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12898 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-20 07:46:03
July 20 2026 07:42 GMT
#18816
On July 17 2026 22:07 Billyboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 15:12 ETisME wrote:
On July 17 2026 10:25 Billyboy wrote:
Yes Russia is, wtf are you talking about?

They are not. If you follow military channels, beyond headlines Russia drones especially those jet powered drones like Geran 4 is extremely successful.

If you follow closely, even starlink drones from ukraine are getting interfere and needing edge AI to find their targets, it's all a next level drone warfare than headline success.

You are just wrong, and not following it closely, just arrogant. Ukraine tech is better, they are able to send out 3x as much. Their drone knock down rate is way higher, because they have interceptor drones. It’s like you are believing Russia on their terminator tank all over again and not noticing actual results.

Feel free to show all the medium and long strike hits Russia is hitting , then compare it to what Ukraine is doing and get back to me.

I didn't say Russia is ahead, I said they are not far behind at all.

Defense Intelligence of Ukraine (HUR) has been talking about these russian drones being significantly harder to intercept due to the new jet powered drones.
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-exposes-technology-behind-russia-1779694326.html

Ukraine is rushing to get their interceptor drones tech up for these extreme speed drones.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-serhiii-flash-beskrestnov-shahed-geran-speed-interceptor-drone-2026-3

This just happened: Geran-4 Seeker was used. it has only been in action since May 2026.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-attack-ukrainian-port-kills-two-damages-three-vessels-prosecutors-say-2026-07-17/

Might take you a few months to catch up with your news sources it seems.

And yes, russia is sending way more drones, that's part of the new strike tactics. hence the swarm drones and these decoy shahed drones.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/31/8027950/
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44398 Posts
July 20 2026 08:38 GMT
#18817
It’s an active arms race with both participants pressing advantages and rapidly copying the innovations of the other but Russians were ahead on the fiber optic and jet propelled shaheds. There’s no rule that only one side can innovate and even if there were, Russia is perfectly capable of copying whatever they see that works. We tend to focus on Ukrainian victories but this war isn’t a single player game.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12175 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-07-20 08:51:17
July 20 2026 08:48 GMT
#18818
Russia is the aggressor. It is expected they are ahead in some areas, else why wouldn't they sue for peace? Russia can freeze the war within a week and end it within 3 months any time they choose. They just have to state openly in a UN session that they want to end the war with 2010 borders and no restrictions on Ukraine.

They can also end it slightly slower by pushing for 2015 borders and promises of peace + accepting peace keeping forces etc. US/EU would force Ukraine to accept that deal.

Right now and for a long time they have been ahead in tanks, air force, ground based anti air, missiles and especially soldiers.

They probably still have more artillery but it matters less than it used to.

Navy does matter a bit if they want to run total interdiction by using subs to just sink anything entering Ukrainian waters. (Bad idea from a political standpoint.)

Drones keeps flipping with various advantages over time and as the importance of them climbs the other Russian advantages matter less and less. Which is why we are seeing Russian logistics suffering a lot now when they didn't before the drones on the Ukrainian side become as good as they are. Previously it was HIMARS and similar that already caused a lot of issues but nothing compared to the current ones.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2609 Posts
July 20 2026 12:51 GMT
#18819
On July 20 2026 16:42 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2026 22:07 Billyboy wrote:
On July 17 2026 15:12 ETisME wrote:
On July 17 2026 10:25 Billyboy wrote:
Yes Russia is, wtf are you talking about?

They are not. If you follow military channels, beyond headlines Russia drones especially those jet powered drones like Geran 4 is extremely successful.

If you follow closely, even starlink drones from ukraine are getting interfere and needing edge AI to find their targets, it's all a next level drone warfare than headline success.

You are just wrong, and not following it closely, just arrogant. Ukraine tech is better, they are able to send out 3x as much. Their drone knock down rate is way higher, because they have interceptor drones. It’s like you are believing Russia on their terminator tank all over again and not noticing actual results.

Feel free to show all the medium and long strike hits Russia is hitting , then compare it to what Ukraine is doing and get back to me.

I didn't say Russia is ahead, I said they are not far behind at all.

Defense Intelligence of Ukraine (HUR) has been talking about these russian drones being significantly harder to intercept due to the new jet powered drones.
https://newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/ukraine-exposes-technology-behind-russia-1779694326.html

Ukraine is rushing to get their interceptor drones tech up for these extreme speed drones.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-serhiii-flash-beskrestnov-shahed-geran-speed-interceptor-drone-2026-3

This just happened: Geran-4 Seeker was used. it has only been in action since May 2026.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-attack-ukrainian-port-kills-two-damages-three-vessels-prosecutors-say-2026-07-17/

Might take you a few months to catch up with your news sources it seems.

And yes, russia is sending way more drones, that's part of the new strike tactics. hence the swarm drones and these decoy shahed drones.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/31/8027950/

Ukraine has jet powered drones as well. Russia is behind and trying to catch up. It is going to constantly happen that way. But right now they are very far behind in drones, that is just factual. I watch interception rates daily, it’s near 90% on drones for Ukraine. They don’t have the ability to steer their drones from much of a distance and they do not have very effective machine targeting. Ukraine has both. Russia will eventually get these things and Ukraine needs to keep innovating to keep ahead.


This is why you couldn’t answer my question and to write something else that confirms what you made up in your head. People who are actually following this war closely can see the effectiveness and volume daily, it is not close. Do not die on another dumb hill.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14218 Posts
July 20 2026 17:53 GMT
#18820
Even if they were even on drone tech Russia is a lot more vulnerable due to the much larger area they need to defend. Ukraine would naturally be better at defending from them.

Expecially as we know that russia likes targeting civilians and infrastructure like hospitals, so their defence can be concentrated around cities.
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